Trade a gun for a rose in SC on Valentine's Day

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

You don't "lock" a gun before firing it, and you generally don't remove the firing mechanism for storage.

Just because I'm ignorant about these things - why wouldn't you?

what if you have several guns of the same type? you could confuse the mechanisms and have a serious problem next time you fire it. or you could lose it.

I'm just saying that removing the mechanism would pretty much stop most accidental deaths of children.

If you've got multiples, then figure out a way to match up the mechanism to the weapon. Stick colored dots on them or something.

Just seems like common sense safety to me. Especially where kids are involved.

as i've said before, the wrath my father would visit upon me should i touch one outweighed any desire on my part to do so. the guns were also hidden around the house, ammo was locked up separately.

just out of curiosity, where would you advocate putting these firing mechanisms once they were removed?

[Caladan 19]

My first thought about this was "damn, roses aren't that expensive, even on VDay!"

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You don't "lock" a gun before firing it, and you generally don't remove the firing mechanism for storage.

Just because I'm ignorant about these things - why wouldn't you?

what if you have several guns of the same type? you could confuse the mechanisms and have a serious problem next time you fire it. or you could lose it.

I'm just saying that removing the mechanism would pretty much stop most accidental deaths of children.

If you've got multiples, then figure out a way to match up the mechanism to the weapon. Stick colored dots on them or something.

Just seems like common sense safety to me. Especially where kids are involved.

as i've said before, the wrath my father would visit upon me should i touch one outweighed any desire on my part to do so. the guns were also hidden around the house, ammo was locked up separately.

just out of curiosity, where would you advocate putting these firing mechanisms once they were removed?

I keep all my stuff in a guitar case

How many roses would you give me for the guitar?

[malapascua 0]

It's not about accidental shootings. It's about control.

http://www.davekopel.com/2a/foreign-gun-control.htm

[luckytxn 2,264]

I have a few weapons in the house. None of them of them can have the firing mechanism removed. Now this is the defination of a firing mechanism. What is it that you are removing that you claim to be the firing mechanism? Firing pins are always pretty much sealed and can't be removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_(firearms)

they are probably thinking of the bolt - which is a sure fire method to get into trouble due to headspace issues should a person have a pair of identical firearms.

Ok then what happens when one needs the weapon real badly. The time it would take to assemble the weapon back together (and trust me the weapon would be totally disassembled to remove the bolt from a semi) could mean death. Now I have many varied weapons. Maybe 7 handguns and most of them are semis. A couple choice rifles and a nice pump action shotgun. Also being in the military and the many varied wepons I have owned or been around my whole life tells me that I may just know what I am doing around weapons. No weapon ever goes and be discharged at the range that is not broken down and cleaned right after and put away safely.

The only one that is taking a firing pin out of or off of any weapon I know of is a gunsmith. No one here is taking a firing pin out of their weapon unless they are a gunsmith or someone that has in depth knowledge what they are doing and have a really nice set of tools. The key here is a weapon can not fire unless it has ammo in it. Now in the rare times I have kids around all weapons are in the gun safe except when we are taking the kids to the firing range to shoot any. I have taught many to shoot and also many youngsters. They have to be a certain age though and size. The will not shoot any weapon until they are thoroughly trained into its use. Usually when we have a new kid to take they watch us only. If they are good and do as told and observe all rules and others things and also help clean up then the next time they may be allowed to shoot after more training. I have been around them my whole life though and much respect for weapons. I am also not real sure how I got to be the "official" gun "expert". Many years ago I taught one here and there and then friends and then their kids and wifes and GF's. It has built up over the years that manhy times when we go it is a pretty large group that goes now.

It si hard for any of you so called "progressives" to understand that making any law to curtail weapons is seen as an infringement on our constitutional rights. Want to take that right away then change the constitution. It should not be too hard. Just needs a two thirds vote and then the amendment would be sent to the states and if two thirds of the states sign it then that right will be taken away. Go for it.

Now to start adding crimes that may seem sane on the surface that will mean that a citizen gives up their constitutional right to bear arms may seem fair to any gun hater but trust me it is very a very serious matter. A misdemeanor? Get real.

[Scott & Lai 12]

If a robber comes to my home, will handle that without my guns, if I shoot the #######, would end up in jail.

Just don't like the use of the word accident in these cases, stupidity is far more accurate. When old enough, took my kids to a firing range with close supervision, so they have an idea how mean these things can be.

It is legal to use a gun in self-defense in your home, why would you end up in jail? I agree with you, though, the word "accident" really doesn't apply; guns don't fire themselves.

I have a few weapons in the house. None of them of them can have the firing mechanism removed. Now this is the defination of a firing mechanism. What is it that you are removing that you claim to be the firing mechanism? Firing pins are always pretty much sealed and can't be removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_(firearms)

they are probably thinking of the bolt - which is a sure fire method to get into trouble due to headspace issues should a person have a pair of identical firearms.

Ha, Swagger in that Shooter movie said he removes the firing pins from all of his weapons, ask him how he does it. More different kinds of guns that you can shake a stick at, but all have one thing in common, can be stripped down for cleaning, and certain easy to be replaced parts can be removed to disable it. Used the firing mechanism term generally. If you don't know how to strip your guns down for cleaning and cannot put them back together, have no business owning one, but not part of the 2nd amendment. Or just get a large safe and lock everything up if you have kids or are concerned about robbers.

Try to avoid using an acetylene torch, bandsaw, or sledge hammet to dissemble a weapon. May not work afterwards, if you have a bad memory, store those disabling components in a marked plastic bag. Parts should be oiled before storage, all basic stuff.

Point is, leaving a loaded weapon laying around where the wrong people can get at it, is stupid.

As Luckytxn noted, at least in the case of a semi-auto pistol, the firing pin is sealed inside the slide. Yes, I do know how to strip/clean/reassemble my gun, and removing the firing pin from the slide is not part of that procedure.

You don't "lock" a gun before firing it, and you generally don't remove the firing mechanism for storage.

Just because I'm ignorant about these things - why wouldn't you?

what if you have several guns of the same type? you could confuse the mechanisms and have a serious problem next time you fire it. or you could lose it.

I'm just saying that removing the mechanism would pretty much stop most accidental deaths of children.

If you've got multiples, then figure out a way to match up the mechanism to the weapon. Stick colored dots on them or something.

Just seems like common sense safety to me. Especially where kids are involved.

Removing the firing mechanism and storing it separately defeats the self-defense purpose. The more steps involved in readying the gun for firing, the more precious time is lost, diminishing your chances of using the gun to defend yourself. Now, if the only reason you have a gun is for hobby shooting or collecting, and it wouldn't occur to you to actually use it for defense, then sure, keep everything separately.

, "common safety" might include teaching kids to respect guns, as well. So long as they know firearms aren't toys, the incidence of gun-related accidents would drop considerably.

[Scott & Lai 12]

It's not about accidental shootings. It's about control.

http://www.davekopel.com/2a/foreign-gun-control.htm

Excellent site, thanks for posting

[luckytxn 2,264]

Of course we always hear the bad news when a gun is used in a bad way. How come we never hear about the times guns have saved lives?

http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

And yes I have a license to carry a concealed weapon.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Of course we always hear the bad news when a gun is used in a bad way. How come we never hear about the times guns have saved lives?

http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

And yes I have a license to carry a concealed weapon.

Why do you need to carry a weapon? Personal protection is not a valid reason without emminent threat. Nobody is more dangerous with a weapon than off duty cops, and I have seen that firsthand more than a few times.

[rebeccajo 14]

Removing the firing mechanism and storing it separately defeats the self-defense purpose. The more steps involved in readying the gun for firing, the more precious time is lost, diminishing your chances of using the gun to defend yourself. Now, if the only reason you have a gun is for hobby shooting or collecting, and it wouldn't occur to you to actually use it for defense, then sure, keep everything separately.

No offense Scott, but really....

Does the peace of mind you get to potentially defend yourself against an imaginary intruder outweigh any fear that a small child might get curious about your gun?

It si hard for any of you so called "progressives" to understand that making any law to curtail weapons is seen as an infringement on our constitutional rights. Want to take that right away then change the constitution. It should not be too hard. Just needs a two thirds vote and then the amendment would be sent to the states and if two thirds of the states sign it then that right will be taken away. Go for it..

You can come down off your high horse now.

Nobody was talking about modifying any laws. We are talking about gun safety.

Edited February 16, 2009 by rebeccajo

[luckytxn 2,264]

If there was imminent threat and I did not have a gun then what would happento me? I have one because I can. I carry it when I want. No one can tell me otherwise. Like I said before change the constitution.

[rebeccajo 14]

You don't "lock" a gun before firing it, and you generally don't remove the firing mechanism for storage.

Just because I'm ignorant about these things - why wouldn't you?

what if you have several guns of the same type? you could confuse the mechanisms and have a serious problem next time you fire it. or you could lose it.

I'm just saying that removing the mechanism would pretty much stop most accidental deaths of children.

If you've got multiples, then figure out a way to match up the mechanism to the weapon. Stick colored dots on them or something.

Just seems like common sense safety to me. Especially where kids are involved.

as i've said before, the wrath my father would visit upon me should i touch one outweighed any desire on my part to do so. the guns were also hidden around the house, ammo was locked up separately.

just out of curiosity, where would you advocate putting these firing mechanisms once they were removed?

I don't think you'd have to be incredibly creative about it. All you have to do is keep it separate from a weapon. A little kid that is just cruising the house and messing about where he/she shouldn't be will get 'bored' with the toy eventually.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Of course we always hear the bad news when a gun is used in a bad way. How come we never hear about the times guns have saved lives?

http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

And yes I have a license to carry a concealed weapon.

Why do you need to carry a weapon? Personal protection is not a valid reason without emminent threat. Nobody is more dangerous with a weapon than off duty cops, and I have seen that firsthand more than a few times.

i've got a cch also - primarily because

1 - i can

2 - i did travel between states a lot

3 - personal protection without imminent threat is a farce. just ask the diners at denny's in killeen, texas.

[rebeccajo 14]

If there was imminent threat and I did not have a gun then what would happento me? I have one because I can. I carry it when I want. No one can tell me otherwise. Like I said before change the constitution.

Are you not man enough to take care of yourself without a weapon?

Again, we aren't talking about changing any laws. I was asking - nicely I might add - about gun safety.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

You don't "lock" a gun before firing it, and you generally don't remove the firing mechanism for storage.

Just because I'm ignorant about these things - why wouldn't you?

what if you have several guns of the same type? you could confuse the mechanisms and have a serious problem next time you fire it. or you could lose it.

I'm just saying that removing the mechanism would pretty much stop most accidental deaths of children.

If you've got multiples, then figure out a way to match up the mechanism to the weapon. Stick colored dots on them or something.

Just seems like common sense safety to me. Especially where kids are involved.

as i've said before, the wrath my father would visit upon me should i touch one outweighed any desire on my part to do so. the guns were also hidden around the house, ammo was locked up separately.

just out of curiosity, where would you advocate putting these firing mechanisms once they were removed?

I don't think you'd have to be incredibly creative about it. All you have to do is keep it separate from a weapon. A little kid that is just cruising the house and messing about where he/she shouldn't be will get 'bored' with the toy eventually.

i cede that it may be an idea when an owner has very few firearms. i don't see it being too much of an option for me with the number i have, and it certainly wasn't an option for my dad.

If there was imminent threat and I did not have a gun then what would happento me? I have one because I can. I carry it when I want. No one can tell me otherwise. Like I said before change the constitution.

Are you not man enough to take care of yourself without a weapon?

Again, we aren't talking about changing any laws. I was asking - nicely I might add - about gun safety.

ever been carjacked at gunpoint? or knifepoint? i don't see how being a man even plays into the equation there.

were you to drive southern texas (or even the southern states that border mexico) late at night, you might feel a whole lot more secure with a firearm with you.