New L.A. gun control law proposed

[Heracles 417]

yea, but don't you think isolation/profiling in this case would create resentfulness amongst the 'well behaved' hispanic population? what about the good elements that contribute to society? in that case the all equal aspects of the constitution wouldn't be held

When one demographic commits a large portion of crimes then they should be targeted. Why should Caucasians and other have their guns confiscated because of the other actions of one or two other group of individuals?

Why should Koreans or Japanese be targeted by police when they are law abiding citizens? A person's right to live free of harm and violence should always override your perceived civil rights abuse.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

yea, but don't you think isolation/profiling in this case would create resentfulness amongst the 'well behaved' hispanic population? what about the good elements that contribute to society? in that case the all equal aspects of the constitution wouldn't be held

When one demographic commits a large portion of crimes then they should be targeted. Why should Caucasians and other have their guns confiscated because of the other actions of one or two other group of individuals?

Why should Koreans or Japanese be targeted by police when they are law abiding citizens? A person's right to live free of harm and violence should always override your perceived civil rights abuse.

What about hispanics and blacks who want to enjoy their right to live free of harm, violence or persecution?

[Heracles 417]

You're not paying attention BY.

I didn't deny or discredit the statistics you posted. Not at all.

Anyway, as usual you discredit others views but fail to provide any evidence of your own to back YOUR own assumptions.

Saying someone is wrong does not prove you right. Until you provide evidence of your own suggesting otherwise, my stats are right and Latino's should have guns taken away from them.

Edited February 13, 2009 by Aficionado

[pedroh 21]

yea, but don't you think isolation/profiling in this case would create resentfulness amongst the 'well behaved' hispanic population? what about the good elements that contribute to society? in that case the all equal aspects of the constitution wouldn't be held

When one demographic commits a large portion of crimes then they should be targeted. Why should Caucasians and other have their guns confiscated because of the other actions of one or two other group of individuals?

Why should Koreans or Japanese be targeted by police when they are law abiding citizens? A person's right to live free of harm and violence should always override your perceived civil rights abuse.

What about hispanics and blacks who want to enjoy their right to live free of harm, violence or persecution?

well according to him.. there's only like 2 or 3 families of blacks and hispanics that are not gangbangers, so i guess they don't count

[Peikko 1,575]

BY being a gang member is not in any way representative of the population. There are likely about 1% of the population that are gang members so even if 100% of gang members were hispanic you couldn't target hispanics as being gang members. Do you understand?

Being a gang member is a subset of being a US citizen, not the other way around.

Well, scrap citizen and just say someone who lives in the US, just for sake of argument.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You're not paying attention BY.

I didn't deny or discredit the statistics you posted. Not at all.

Anyway, as usual you discredit others views but fail to provide any evidence of your own to back YOUR own assumptions.

Saying someone is wrong does not prove you right. Until you provide evidence of your own suggesting otherwise, my stats are right and Latino's should have guns taken away from them.

What assumptions did I make BY?

You're still not paying attention.

I did not and do not deny that blacks and hispanics make up the largest proportion of gang members.

But that fact alone doesn't "prove" that blacks and hispanics should (as a whole) have their guns taken away. The failure in your argument is one of logic.

[Heracles 417]

What about hispanics and blacks who want to enjoy their right to live free of harm, violence or persecution?

You are right. What about them? Why should they be a victim of crime while Caucasians like yourself living in peaceful neighborhoods play PC games? Sit anonymously behind forums and question and criticize anyone who is trying to do something. As you have done so before suggesting police go out and target minorities.

At the end of the day, low socioeconomic Latinos and Blacks are being killed by Latinos and blacks. That is the reality. So we either target the offenders and the actual perpetrators of the crime or we do nothing in the name of civil rights and being PC.

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

BY being a gang member is not in any way representative of the population. There are likely about 1% of the population that are gang members so even if 100% of gang members were hispanic you couldn't target hispanics as being gang members. Do you understand?

Being a gang member is a subset of being a US citizen, not the other way around.

Well, scrap citizen and just say someone who lives in the US, just for sake of argument.

that would be more accurate.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

yea, but don't you think isolation/profiling in this case would create resentfulness amongst the 'well behaved' hispanic population? what about the good elements that contribute to society? in that case the all equal aspects of the constitution wouldn't be held

When one demographic commits a large portion of crimes then they should be targeted. Why should Caucasians and other have their guns confiscated because of the other actions of one or two other group of individuals?

Why should Koreans or Japanese be targeted by police when they are law abiding citizens? A person's right to live free of harm and violence should always override your perceived civil rights abuse.

What about hispanics and blacks who want to enjoy their right to live free of harm, violence or persecution?

well according to him.. there's only like 2 or 3 families of blacks and hispanics that are not gangbangers, so i guess they don't count

That's certainly how it comes across.

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

You are right. What about them? Why should they be a victim of crime while Caucasians like yourself living in peaceful neighborhoods play PC games? Sit anonymously behind forums and question and criticize anyone who is trying to do something. As you have done so before suggesting police go out and target minorities.

At the end of the day, low socioeconomic Latinos and Blacks are being killed by Latinos and blacks. That is the reality. So we either target the offenders and the actual perpetrators of the crime or we do nothing in the name of civil rights and being PC.

maybe the denials of who is doing it, and outrage over profiling, is a dark plot to continue the violence against low socio-economic latinos and blacks, and we should really be asking why these people hate latinos and blacks by not supporting profiling, which would keep the law abiding safe.

[Peikko 1,575]

What about hispanics and blacks who want to enjoy their right to live free of harm, violence or persecution?

You are right. What about them? Why should they be a victim of crime while Caucasians like yourself living in peaceful neighborhoods play PC games? Sit anonymously behind forums and question and criticize anyone who is trying to do something. As you have done so before suggesting police go out and target minorities.

At the end of the day, low socioeconomic Latinos and Blacks are being killed by Latinos and blacks. That is the reality. So we either target the offenders and the actual perpetrators of the crime or we do nothing in the name of civil rights and being PC.

You're having a laugh now mate aren't you? Seriously dude your reasoning helps no one, least of all these people you think you are helping.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What about hispanics and blacks who want to enjoy their right to live free of harm, violence or persecution?

You are right. What about them? Why should they be a victim of crime while Caucasians like yourself living in peaceful neighborhoods play PC games? Sit anonymously behind forums and question and criticize anyone who is trying to do something. As you have done so before suggesting police go out and target minorities.

At the end of the day, low socioeconomic Latinos and Blacks are being killed by Latinos and blacks. That is the reality. So we either target the offenders and the actual perpetrators of the crime or we do nothing in the name of civil rights and being PC.

Might I ask what is it that you are trying to do?

Ranting on the internet isn't "doing something" either. So presumably you have or are putting your money where your mouth is and are getting involved with some sort of law-enforcement initiatives, or somehow setting/influencing public policy in your community.

Would that be correct?

[pedroh 21]

You are right. What about them? Why should they be a victim of crime while Caucasians like yourself living in peaceful neighborhoods play PC games? Sit anonymously behind forums and question and criticize anyone who is trying to do something. As you have done so before suggesting police go out and target minorities.

At the end of the day, low socioeconomic Latinos and Blacks are being killed by Latinos and blacks. That is the reality. So we either target the offenders and the actual perpetrators of the crime or we do nothing in the name of civil rights and being PC.

maybe the denials of who is doing it, and outrage over profiling, is a dark plot to continue the violence against low socio-economic latinos and blacks, and we should really be asking why these people hate latinos and blacks by not supporting profiling, which would keep the law abiding safe.

because profiling is not accurate.. humans will never eliminate bias.. and it has been proven profiling carries a lot of mistakes.. and innocent people shouldn't be framed by some xenophobic excuse as profiling

[Heracles 417]

You're not paying attention BY.

I didn't deny or discredit the statistics you posted. Not at all.

Anyway, as usual you discredit others views but fail to provide any evidence of your own to back YOUR own assumptions.

Saying someone is wrong does not prove you right. Until you provide evidence of your own suggesting otherwise, my stats are right and Latino's should have guns taken away from them.

What assumptions did I make BY?

You're still not paying attention.

I did not and do not deny that blacks and hispanics make up the largest proportion of gang members.

But that fact alone doesn't "prove" that blacks and hispanics should (as a whole) have their guns taken away. The failure in your argument is one of logic.

When it comes to you or your close group of buddies here, without fail, it's always a problem in the other persons logic.

Get over stating that someone is wrong but never ever actually providing any proof that you are correct. So since you claim these stats don't paint the overall picture, show me using actual proof how they are wrong. Until you can do that I am not going to sit here and defend anything I posts while you never hold yourself up to the same standards and prove your own views.

PS This is not a press conference.

[tmma 467]

anyone ever watch gangland on history channel?