New L.A. gun control law proposed

[Heracles 417]

So who is the racist one?

Or is some idiot going to suggest that the system is racist hence the incarceration rate.

now how am i suppose to be a smartazz when you beat me to it?

Claim I am racist for pointing out these racists stats.

Edited February 13, 2009 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There certainly are issues of racial bias in the judicial system - The treatment of the Jena Six was an example of that disparity - that in some jurisdictions that if you are black you can receive harsher judicial sentences than whites for equivalent crimes.

Certainly there is a lot of crime associated with minorities and minority communities - that doesn't justify treating everyone in those communities on the basis of the lowest common denominator.

So who is the racist one?

Or is some idiot going to suggest that the system is racist hence the incarceration rate.

now how am i suppose to be a smartazz when you beat me to it?

Claim I am racist for pointing out these racists stats.

BY - you are racist, but not for posting the stats

That "bust some Inca ####" comment the other day was a clanger.

[Heracles 417]

well maybe a lot of the white people who commit crimes just don't get caught because people think only black or Hispanic people commit crimes

I am also not saying we need to find anyone Black or Hispanic and put gps monitoring devices on them. All I am suggesting is that we need to allocate resources to fix the problem. Law enforcement is obviously only part of the solution.

Though the following is an interesting read.

http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm

Professor J. Philippe Rushton

University of Western Ontario

London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2

Edited February 13, 2009 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And you're not at all racist are you BY...

Wow.

[Heracles 417]

Chart 4 is based on INTERPOL Yearbooks and shows that this racial pattern is consistent globally. Rates of murder, rape, and serious assault were four times higher in African and Caribbean countries than in Asian or Pacific Rim countries. European countries were intermediate. The 1993-1996 INTERPOL Yearbooks show the violent crime rate per 100,000 population was 35 for Asians, 42 for Europeans, and 149 for Africans.

And you're not at all racist are you BY...

Wow.

Why is everything that touches race racist? I am not saying I am better than any other race nor am I looking down on anyone. In a simplistic explanation, certain communities and cultures are more prone to crime than others. Something you obviously deny. Violent crime for example is probably more acceptable and common in Australia than in the UK.

Edited February 13, 2009 by Aficionado

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

Chart 4 is based on INTERPOL Yearbooks and shows that this racial pattern is consistent globally. Rates of murder, rape, and serious assault were four times higher in African and Caribbean countries than in Asian or Pacific Rim countries. European countries were intermediate. The 1993-1996 INTERPOL Yearbooks show the violent crime rate per 100,000 population was 35 for Asians, 42 for Europeans, and 149 for Africans.

And you're not at all racist are you BY...

Wow.

Why is everything that touches race racist? I am not saying I am better than any other race nor am I looking down on anyone.

obviously, interpol is racist.

[Heracles 417]

obviously, interpol is racist.

The link I found that in, shown above, is a very interesting read. Here is the professor's profile:

J. Philippe Rushton is a professor of psychology at the University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada. Rushton holds two doctorates from the University of London (Ph.D. and D.Sc) and is a Fellow of the John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the American, British, and Canadian Psychological Associations. He is also a member of the Behavior Genetics Association, the Human Behavior and Evolution Society, and the Society for Neuroscience. Rushton has published six books and nearly 200 articles. In 1992 the Institute for Scientific Information ranked him the 22nd most published psychologist and the 11th most cited. Professor Rushton is listed in Who's Who in Science and Technology, Who's Who in International Authors, and Who's Who in Canada.

I didn't need a study to know that Asians are smarter than Caucasians. They also have the highest percentage of degrees per race in America.

Edited February 13, 2009 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Using racial epithets?

Posting articles which refer to biological inferiorities between ethnicities as a means to explain social problems?

Yeah... what was I thinking

Edited February 13, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[Heracles 417]

Using racial epithets?

Posting articles which refer to biological inferiorities between ethnicities as a means to explain social problems?

Yeah... what was I thinking

Maybe science is racist too?

Lets just rely on your opinion and your own assumptions, which ironically are never backed themselves.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Do you even think before you post this stuff?

You made a case that an entire group of people should be treated differently from others, and are now presenting a biological argument to support that rationale across the board.

I rather think you'll be suspended for this. At the very least - the thread will be locked.

[Heracles 417]

The interesting thing about the Interpol stats is that they are not based on the United states alone. Therefore you guys cannot use the historical rhetoric or cause and effect theory as and excuse to justify crime and violence.

Do you even think before you post this stuff?

You made a case that an entire group of people should be treated differently from others, and are now presenting a biological argument to support that rationale across the board.

I rather think you'll be suspended for this. At the very least - the thread will be locked.

Actually I stumbled on that while looking at some stats. I did not set out to find out.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I didn't need a study to know that Asians are smarter than Caucasians.

me either. i've had an alarm clock for 2 years & couldn't figure out how to set the alarm & a universal remote for 6 months & couldn't program the damn dvd & surround sound....15 minutes the wife has them both working.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The interesting thing about the Interpol stats is that they are not based on the United states alone.

And this is significant how?

Therefore you guys cannot use the historical rhetoric or cause and effect theory

Because as we surely are all aware: African and Caribbean countries don't have histories of colonialism and slavery

as and excuse to justify crime and violence.

Sorry - as much as you need to believe it to be true its never been my opinion.

[slim 1,528]

When one demographic commits a large portion of crimes then they should be targeted. Why should Caucasians and other have their guns confiscated because of the other actions of one or two other group of individuals?

Once again, see above. Disarm the whites, and leave the guns with the "statistically safer" Hispanics and blacks. Makes sense to me, I can't argue with your statistics!

A person's right to live free of harm and violence should always override your perceived civil rights abuse.

Absolutely, 100% WRONG! If we were to abuse anyone's civil rights in an attempt to protect someone's right to live free from harm and violence then we establish a legal precedence to violate any other Rights we choose to violate.

You have to uphold 100% of all Rights equally or else you weaken all of them. The perception in America is "we'll look the other way on this one right now because it makes this one stronger" (Patriot Act, anyone?) but the reality is when you willfully give up your Rights to something you don't want "right now" then you lose your right to stand strong on another Right later on down the road.

This is huge when it comes to guns and 2A Rights. Too many people think "we'll give up certain things in order to make everyone safer" but in reality those who wish to do us harm don't follow our rules anyway. Later on, down the road, when it becomes necessary to use the things we've given up, well, it's already too late because we willfully gave up our Rights to do so in the name of safety. Now, it's no longer safe.... but we have no Rights. I pray we never get to that point.

my stats are right and Latino's should have guns taken away from them.

No one who is legally possessing a firearm should have their guns taken away from them. NO ONE. Conversely, EVERYONE who is illegally possessing a firearm should have them taken away, and that's why proposed local ordinances like the one in LA are no good.

At the end of the day, low socioeconomic Latinos and Blacks are being killed by Latinos and blacks. That is the reality. So we either target the offenders and the actual perpetrators of the crime or we do nothing in the name of civil rights and being PC.

Now we're getting somewhere. The reason whitey doesn't disarm his darker-skinned brothers is because they basically take care of the problem for him. Your post above there is probably the best post you've made in this whole thread. Keep that stuff up! (By "that stuff" I mean reality and not "statistics.")

maybe the denials of who is doing it, and outrage over profiling, is a dark plot to continue the violence against low socio-economic latinos and blacks, and we should really be asking why these people hate latinos and blacks by not supporting profiling, which would keep the law abiding safe.

Charles! How many times do I have to post "spot-on!" after your quotes?

The sad fact of the matter is that racial profiling would actually make the "ghetto" safer and, in the long run, change society for the better in many low-income neighborhoods. However, we just don't have enough white people to pay for all the jails we'd need to hold the Latino and black criminals we'd pick up so we allow them to shoot each other for us. It's a lot cheaper to bury one than to house, feed, clothe and care for one.

Oh, and let's not forget we'd have to lock up whitey first! (Whole lotta white folks out there breaking the law. You think Latinos and blacks' taxes can build those jails?)

And one last thing...... it's un-Constitutional.

We are on two completely different wavelengths. I want to target the problem directly. Whereas you are more concerned about the innocent bystanders who will be targeted because of their similarities to the culprits. Much in the same way freedom is defended by a barrel of a M16, violence cannot be solved without collateral damage.

If Australians represented a majority of gang bangers, I would have no qualms with the government saying Australia's should not be allowed to own guns. Whereas you are basically suggesting all guns should be banned to ensure PC. Effectively punishing everyone rather than the perpetrators of crime. Then again this is a very British chain of thought. It does happen in AUS quite a bit. Punish everyone for the actions of the few just to be PC.

This is where my buddy - white, Irish, Catholic, New Englander - and I had a major debate about our Rights and Freedoms. We debated the finer points of the Patriot Act and the government response to terror attacks, things like extraordinary rendition, and the like, but it could apply here as well.

Him - "I don't care if they target those Muslims because they're the ones that are terrorists."

My response - "Yep. Right now they are. They're the 'bad people' of the moment. But, do you remember a time in history when there was another group that wasn't liked so much? A group that looked a lot like you - pale-faced, Catholic.... maybe even terrorist-supoorting - well, what if the government now had the support of the people and the legal Right to kidnap you from your own home in the middle of the night and take you to some foreign country and lock you up, without charge, indefinitely?"

His reply - "They can't do that. I'm an American."

Me - "Sorry buddy, you just told them it was OK to do it to the Muslims, so now it's OK for them to do it to you too."

Gun control is much the same. When we establish a legal precedence to disarm "a certain group" then we open up the possibility to legally disarm us all. That simply cannot happen. Support the Rights of all who legally own firearms right now and stop the local governments from passing ordinances that prohibit our Constitutionally protected Rights because if they can do it with guns........... what's next?

[Peikko 1,575]

This isn't still going on is it?

Quite honestly with the diversity of people's on this site, I am surprised.