2 year old kid smoking in China

[chri'stina 190]

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in any case, a stable persona (not weak) does not require a moral compass. he does what is right for everyone in balance, all of the time. he looks to the past, the present, and the future, all in a moment, and chooses the wisest path, with the least negative and the most positive consequence for all.

You know this how?

You really are being crass. There is a moral standard on a way to treat very young children that has nothing to do with the particular environment that one finds oneself in. It takes strength to choose to tell ones relatives that in fact, it's not funny to get a 2 year old drunk but could be seriously harmful, but it's very easy to just 'go with the flow'.

Indeed worse, because you instigated the whole event. Yet, you continue to defend this indefensible position.

You know this how?

you are avoiding the cultural issue, perhaps because you cannot dispute it. you are overlaying your own simple moral standard on a complex culture of 1.5 billion people that are different from you (who is being crass, now?).

some cultures feed young children fried scorpions (south chinese ethnic minority). you prolly wouldn't agree with that, either, but they've been doing it for centuries. denying a child part of the cultural norm isolates the child, never a good thing.

So if a cultural norm is mutilation, or being forced into marriage, they shouldn't be deprived of that either? Yeah and who cares about scorpions if they don't cause a health problem? If they locked a child in a room full of live scorpions, there would be an issue. But if it's the norm in their culture, I guess we shouldn't care about the well being of the child.

Edited February 12, 2009 by Parivar CSK

[Kevin&Leilei 1]

[Peikko 1,575]

Teaching children how to handle alcohol does not entail watching them getting drunk and laughing at their antics, ever.

Edited February 12, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[DeadPoolX 9]

I guess it goes to show that you can't argue morality with someone who is fundamentally amoral.

Hey! I'm the one who's amoral here! Nobody steps on my turf.

[justashooter 430]

So if a cultural norm is mutilation, or being forced into marriage, they shouldn't be deprived of that either? Yeah and who cares about scorpions if they don't cause a health problem? If they locked a child in a room full of live scorpions, there would be an issue. But if it's the norm in their culture, I guess we shouldn't care about the well being of the child.

odd to hear a woman from india questioning arranged marriage and bodily mutilation (practiced in some parts of india), but then, this woman is in America, is she not. probably she is married to an indian fellow, anyway. in the pix, she looks north or western india. this would explain her schema with regard to mutilation.

since the soothsayer will not address the cultural question, or acknowledge his need to feel safe by pressuring everyone into accepting his reality, here comes the next contestant.

children have livers. they metabolise alcohol just like adults. how much alcohol can they metabolise? alcohol effect is proportional by body weight, with a faster metabolism like a child's at slight advantage. do we have a doctor in the house?

what are you smirking about, kevin? you're in for it to one degree, or another.

[Marilyn. 340]

So if a cultural norm is mutilation, or being forced into marriage, they shouldn't be deprived of that either? Yeah and who cares about scorpions if they don't cause a health problem? If they locked a child in a room full of live scorpions, there would be an issue. But if it's the norm in their culture, I guess we shouldn't care about the well being of the child.

odd to hear a woman from india questioning arranged marriage and bodily mutilation (practiced in some parts of india), but then, this woman is in America, is she not. probably she is married to an indian fellow, anyway. in the pix, she looks north or western india. this would explain her schema with regard to mutilation.

since the soothsayer will not address the cultural question, or acknowledge his need to feel safe by pressuring everyone into accepting his reality, here comes the next contestant.

children have livers. they metabolise alcohol just like adults. how much alcohol can they metabolise? alcohol effect is proportional by body weight, with a faster metabolism like a child's at slight advantage. do we have a doctor in the house?

what are you smirking about, kevin? you're in for it to one degree, or another.

she isn't from India her spouse is

you really seem to have a screwed up view of the world

Edited February 12, 2009 by *Marilyn*

[Peikko 1,575]

Still trying to justify the indefensible?

What you did was nothing about educating a child in safe alcohol consumption, and everything about your idea of what it is to have a good time. Laughing at a 2 year old who is unable to perform simple tasks due to alcohol impairment is not entertaining by any stretch of the imagination and the fact that the child's movement was impaired suggests a dangerous level of alcohol intake by that child.

That is what I would call irresponsible behaviour by an adult.

Worse yet, you are not ready to accept that what you did was potentially harmful, and you will probably do it again. Will you do it with your own children, should have any, when you visit China? I guess that is the acid test.

[Kevin&Leilei 1]

I'm not smirking, I'm just sitting back and watching the debate.

You have far more experience with Chinese culture than I, so I have nothing more to add.

[justashooter 430]

Still trying to justify the indefensible?

What you did was nothing about educating a child in safe alcohol consumption, and everything about your idea of what it is to have a good time. Laughing at a 2 year old who is unable to perform simple tasks due to alcohol impairment is not entertaining by any stretch of the imagination and the fact that the child's movement was impaired suggests a dangerous level of alcohol intake by that child.

That is what I would call irresponsible behaviour by an adult.

Worse yet, you are not ready to accept that what you did was potentially harmful, and you will probably do it again. Will you do it with your own children, should have any, when you visit China? I guess that is the acid test.

so you've never been tipsy, yourself? or did you have an alcoholic for a father? is it potentially harmful for anyone to drink to the point of impairment of fine motor control? tell me what medical evidence you base your claim on, doctor cleo.

my children are 24, 21, and 18. about the older 2, i can admit to their consumption of alcohol in my presence. about the youngest, well, there is a law in regard to that...i have about 2-3 dozen bottles of alcohol in my home, and have a shot or two from them on average 2-3 times a month, usually when having company for dinner. my older children drink alcohol in the same moderation, to my kowledge.

how intolerant this world has become about natural behaviours. perhaps this is in result to forced acceptance of unnatural behaviours. most people can only accept a certain level of pressure, you know. gotta accept gay cub scout masters, and all that...

were i to have children with my current wife, and to live in china when they are 2-3 years old, i would have no problem with occasionally serving them small quantities of beer, in the same way that my mother had no problem with occasionally giving me rum to make me sleep off a temper. in America, this might be illegal, so i wouldn't admit to doing it here.

[chri'stina 190]

justashooter...Marilyn already told you but I'm not from India or even Indian at all. (I am an American mut like many others.)

Just my husband is Indian. And he does not condone every aspect of his culture just because it may be the norm. Nor do I condone every aspect of American culture just because I am American. But you want us to just accept other cultures' norms without questioning them? Why would I when they seem to be damaging children.

Guess what, I've never been tipsy either. Alcohol is gross in my opinion.

Edited February 12, 2009 by Parivar CSK

[Danno 1,228]

It does seem interesting, how some are so quick to condemn in the strongest terms, cultural practices which might unhealthy for children but I am bettin they have never done one thing to stop this health epidemic against children going on in our culture.

[Peikko 1,575]

Still trying to justify the indefensible?

What you did was nothing about educating a child in safe alcohol consumption, and everything about your idea of what it is to have a good time. Laughing at a 2 year old who is unable to perform simple tasks due to alcohol impairment is not entertaining by any stretch of the imagination and the fact that the child's movement was impaired suggests a dangerous level of alcohol intake by that child.

That is what I would call irresponsible behaviour by an adult.

Worse yet, you are not ready to accept that what you did was potentially harmful, and you will probably do it again. Will you do it with your own children, should have any, when you visit China? I guess that is the acid test.

so you've never been tipsy, yourself? or did you have an alcoholic for a father? is it potentially harmful for anyone to drink to the point of impairment of fine motor control? tell me what medical evidence you base your claim on, doctor cleo.

my children are 24, 21, and 18. about the older 2, i can admit to their consumption of alcohol in my presence. about the youngest, well, there is a law in regard to that...i have about 2-3 dozen bottles of alcohol in my home, and have a shot or two from them on average 2-3 times a month, usually when having company for dinner. my older children drink alcohol in the same moderation, to my kowledge.

how intolerant this world has become about natural behaviours. perhaps this is in result to forced acceptance of unnatural behaviours. most people can only accept a certain level of pressure, you know. gotta accept gay cub scout masters, and all that...

were i to have children with my current wife, and to live in china when they are 2-3 years old, i would have no problem with occasionally serving them small quantities of beer, in the same way that my mother had no problem with occasionally giving me rum to make me sleep off a temper. in America, this might be illegal, so i wouldn't admit to doing it here.

So, it's ok for you to get your 2 year old nephew drunk enough to lose control of his own limbs because it's 'normal in China' (and because to the best of your knowledge drinking to that extent is not harmful in any way to small children, it's just forbidden in the west because we are idiots and puritans or some such thing) but when it comes to your own children what is acceptable is 'small quantities of beer'?

Sleeping off a temper with rum? That's a new one on me by the way.

Oh, and as for me, I'll clue you in, I am not a puritan and nor were any of my family.

[Marilyn. 340]

my mom would sometimes give us a sip of brandy when we had a sore throat...

but to let a child get drunk is so not right in my books...

[Peikko 1,575]

It does seem interesting, how some are so quick to condemn in the strongest terms, cultural practices which might unhealthy for children but I am bettin they have never done one thing to stop this health epidemic against children going on in our culture.

That type of conjecture will get you nowhere. You can 'bet' on whatever you like, but the 'hypocrisy' does not appear anywhere except inside your own head.

[Marilyn. 340]

Police: Girl, 3, Drunk From Hard Liquor

Posted on: Wednesday, 27 September 2006, 15:01 CDT

MINNEAPOLIS - A 14-year-old boy was arrested after his 3-year-old sister was found passed out drunk from hard liquor at a home, police said.

The girl was unconscious when she was taken to a hospital after her sister called police Monday night, police spokesman Lt. Greg Reinhardt said. "The child could have easily died," he said.

She was recovering and had been released to a children's home by Wednesday morning.

The girl's teenage brother was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of child endangerment, Reinhardt said. He said neglect or abuse appeared to have caused the girl's condition, rather than accidental alcohol poisoning.

Police would not release further details on the boy and any court proceedings because he is a juvenile.

The girl's blood alcohol level was 0.12 percent, authorities said. Minnesota law considers drivers drunk when their blood alcohol level is 0.08 percent.

About one ounce of 40-proof liquor would cause that blood-alcohol level in a 3-year-old child of average weight, about 28 pounds. Kirk Hughes of the Minnesota Poison Control System said one ounce would be about two mouthfuls for such a child.

Reinhardt said police don't know what kind of hard liquor the girl drank.

Reinhardt said the girl's mother was not home at the time.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/672765...quor/index.html

Toddler Gets Alcohol Poisoning From Drink

Posted on: Friday, 13 May 2005, 15:00 CDT

ALEXANDRIA, La. - A 16-month-old girl suffered moderate to severe alcohol poisoning after she consumed part of a mixed drink while an uncle was baby-sitting her, Rapides Parish sheriff's investigators said.

Hospital personnel told investigators Thursday the child would be OK, said Detective Stacy Bender.

Toddlers exposed to alcohol may suffer suppression of their internal systems, including respiratory functions, said Dr. Yasser Nakhlawi, chief of pediatrics at Christus St. Frances Cabrini Hospital and a professor at Tulane University Medical School. If a child consumes enough alcohol, it can cause death, he said.

"A child shouldn't be near alcohol," Nakhlawi said. "There are too many dangers involved."

The 16-month-old was nauseated and lethargic when brought Tuesday night to the Rapides Regional Medical Center's emergency room. The uncle was baby-sitting the child while her mother was at work, and another relative brought the child to the hospital after she became ill.

The child apparently consumed the alcoholic drink by accident, detectives said. How much time elapsed after she drank the alcohol before being taken to the hospital is unknown, detectives said.

The state Department of Social Services is investigating the incident.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/1497...rink/index.html

Edited February 12, 2009 by *Marilyn*