16 illegals sue Arizona rancher

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why would anyone immigrate illegally if they had the legal option?

Perhaps if you were coming from somewhere so impoverished that you couldn't afford the filing fees, but that's about it. Surely...

No fees, little taxes and free medical care.

My contention here is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants to do not have a viable legal route to immigration, or otherwise do not have the means to pursue it.

If they did, I very much doubt they would opt for an illegal option. The tradeoffs are obviously not worth risk.

Edited February 10, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[HAL 9000 96]

Why would anyone immigrate illegally if they had the legal option?

Perhaps if you were coming from somewhere so impoverished that you couldn't afford the filing fees, but that's about it. Surely...

No fees, little taxes and free medical care.

My contention here is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants to do not have a viable legal route to immigration, or otherwise do not have the means to pursue it.

If they did, I very much doubt they would opt for an illegal option. The tradeoffs are obviously not worth risk.

A life of poverty is indeed very rewarding apparently.

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

No, as I have said several times now, the lists are rubbish designed to whip up some stupid outrage about 'how unfair it is' that illegals get to immigrate so much more easily and quickly than the poor unfortunate legal immigrants. That is what is WAY OFF THE MARK.

it sure is getting you all whipped up

pawn it off on sarcasm when you are way off the mark

you still looking up what a 30-30 Win is?

Does that help?

probably not, still no answer yet.

Why would anyone immigrate illegally if they had the legal option?

Perhaps if you were coming from somewhere so impoverished that you couldn't afford the filing fees, but that's about it. Surely...

No fees, little taxes and free medical care.

My contention here is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants to do not have a viable legal route to immigration, or otherwise do not have the means to pursue it.

If they did, I very much doubt they would opt for an illegal option. The tradeoffs are obviously not worth risk.

A life of poverty is indeed very rewarding apparently.

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why would anyone immigrate illegally if they had the legal option?

Perhaps if you were coming from somewhere so impoverished that you couldn't afford the filing fees, but that's about it. Surely...

No fees, little taxes and free medical care.

My contention here is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants to do not have a viable legal route to immigration, or otherwise do not have the means to pursue it.

If they did, I very much doubt they would opt for an illegal option. The tradeoffs are obviously not worth risk.

A life of poverty is indeed very rewarding apparently.

Well its like saying that when food is scarce people should starve to death rather than steal it.

Bizarre reasoning.

[Peikko 1,575]

Whipped up? Laddy, you don't know the meaning of the word.

[HAL 9000 96]

No, as I have said several times now, the lists are rubbish designed to whip up some stupid outrage about 'how unfair it is' that illegals get to immigrate so much more easily and quickly than the poor unfortunate legal immigrants. That is what is WAY OFF THE MARK.

it sure is getting you all whipped up

pawn it off on sarcasm when you are way off the mark

you still looking up what a 30-30 Win is?

Does that help?

probably not, still no answer yet.

Why would anyone immigrate illegally if they had the legal option?

Perhaps if you were coming from somewhere so impoverished that you couldn't afford the filing fees, but that's about it. Surely...

No fees, little taxes and free medical care.

My contention here is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants to do not have a viable legal route to immigration, or otherwise do not have the means to pursue it.

If they did, I very much doubt they would opt for an illegal option. The tradeoffs are obviously not worth risk.

A life of poverty is indeed very rewarding apparently.

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

Well its like saying that when food is scarce people should starve to death rather than steal it.

Bizarre reasoning.

Certainly. It is also no secret that illegals are as a population, very well off in the US.

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

hey i'm just playing along, maybe someone can tell me why they are so hot to come here if it's for a life of poverty.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No, as I have said several times now, the lists are rubbish designed to whip up some stupid outrage about 'how unfair it is' that illegals get to immigrate so much more easily and quickly than the poor unfortunate legal immigrants. That is what is WAY OFF THE MARK.

it sure is getting you all whipped up

pawn it off on sarcasm when you are way off the mark

you still looking up what a 30-30 Win is?

Does that help?

probably not, still no answer yet.

Why would anyone immigrate illegally if they had the legal option?

Perhaps if you were coming from somewhere so impoverished that you couldn't afford the filing fees, but that's about it. Surely...

No fees, little taxes and free medical care.

My contention here is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants to do not have a viable legal route to immigration, or otherwise do not have the means to pursue it.

If they did, I very much doubt they would opt for an illegal option. The tradeoffs are obviously not worth risk.

A life of poverty is indeed very rewarding apparently.

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

Well its like saying that when food is scarce people should starve to death rather than steal it.

Bizarre reasoning.

Certainly. It is also no secret that illegals are as a population, very well off in the US.

I've seen a few coming out of the Waldorf Astoria -

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

hey i'm just playing along, maybe someone can tell me why they are so hot to come here if it's for a life of poverty.

It's the cheese!

[HAL 9000 96]

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

hey i'm just playing along, maybe someone can tell me why they are so hot to come here if it's for a life of poverty.

because that life of poverty here in the US is better, money wise, than a life of poverty back home?

you get points for asking

[panamania79 2]

Why would anyone immigrate illegally if they had the legal option?

Perhaps if you were coming from somewhere so impoverished that you couldn't afford the filing fees, but that's about it. Surely...

No fees, little taxes and free medical care.

My contention here is that the vast majority of illegal immigrants to do not have a viable legal route to immigration, or otherwise do not have the means to pursue it.

If they did, I very much doubt they would opt for an illegal option. The tradeoffs are obviously not worth risk.

My question is if they can pay a "coyote" 3000 dollars or more,why can 't they just fill out the required paperwork and do it the right way ?

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

hey i'm just playing along, maybe someone can tell me why they are so hot to come here if it's for a life of poverty.

How do they spell releif ? w-e-l-f-a-r-e.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Probably because they aren't eligible for visas.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Not the first time:

Ranch Turned Over to Immigrants

Volunteer Group Allegedly Terrorized Illegal Border Crossers

By Beth DeFalco

Associated Press

Sunday, August 21, 2005; Page A06

PHOENIX -- An Arizona ranch once owned by a member of an armed group accused of terrorizing illegal immigrants has been turned over to two of the very people the owner had tried keep out of the country.

The land is being transferred to satisfy a judgment against Casey Nethercott, a member of a self-styled border-watch group who is serving a five-year prison term for firearms possession.

Fatima del Socorro Leiva Medina and Edwin Alfredo Mancia Gonzales were awarded a ranch in Douglas, Ariz. (Photos By German Garcia -- Associated Press)

Morris Dees Jr., chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which represented the immigrants, said he hoped the ruling would be a cautionary tale to anyone considering hostile measures against border crossers.

"When we got into this case, ranchers all along the border were allowing these types to come on their property," Dees said. "Now, they're very leery of it, especially when they see someone losing their ranch because of it."

Nethercott was a member of the group Ranch Rescue, which works to protect private property along the southern U.S. border. In March 2003 he was accused of pistol-whipping Edwin Alfredo Mancia Gonzales, 26, at a Hebbronville, Tex., ranch near the Mexico border.

A jury deadlocked on the assault charge but convicted him of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Mancia and another immigrant traveling with him from El Salvador, Fatima del Socorro Leiva Medina, filed a civil lawsuit last year saying they were harmed while being held by Ranch Rescue members.

Named in the suit were Nethercott; Jack Foote, Ranch Rescue's founder; and the owners of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe and Betty Sutton. The Suttons settled for $100,000. Nethercott and Foote did not defend themselves, and a Texas judge issued default judgments in April of $850,000 against Nethercott and $500,000 against Foote.

Nethercott transferred ownership of his 70-acre Douglas ranch to his sister. But the sister gave up ownership to settle the judgment when challenged by the immigrants' lawyers.

The transfer of the ranch outraged border-watch groups.

"If the federal government was doing its job, ranchers would not be living in fear," said Chris Simcox, president of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corp., a group that watches for illegal immigrant crossings and reports them to the U.S. Border Patrol.

Simcox noted that the Minutemen have a policy against touching the migrants and use video to document their patrols.

Messages left for Nethercott's family and his lawyer were not returned Friday.

Dees said his clients plan to eventually sell the property, which Nethercott bought for $120,000, but may allow humanitarian border groups offering aid to immigrants to use it for now.

Mancia and Leiva declined through Dees to speak to reporters.

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

hey i'm just playing along, maybe someone can tell me why they are so hot to come here if it's for a life of poverty.

because that life of poverty here in the US is better, money wise, than a life of poverty back home?

you get points for asking

that must explain why some are buying houses eh?

[panamania79 2]

if it's so bad, why do so many come here? and if it's so bad, why do so many not see a problem with illegals?

I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me why we think its so much better to be illegal than legal since... *they get so many perks.*

Its so bad... back where they come from.

hey i'm just playing along, maybe someone can tell me why they are so hot to come here if it's for a life of poverty.

because that life of poverty here in the US is better, money wise, than a life of poverty back home?

you get points for asking

that must explain why some are buying houses eh?

Buying houses,driving brand new cars,building homes in their native countries,sending cars and motorcycles back home,etc.Those "poor" people are doing well !