God or Ape

[Peikko 1,575]

200 years and science is still considered a 'belief'?

I find that not only extremely odd, but rather scary. Seems people would much rather follow rules based on something they can't hope to understand indeed 'understanding' is discouraged in favour of faith, than develop a deeper understanding of the world around them in order to learn how best to live in the situation they find themselves in on birth.

I'll stick with following rules that make sense and are based on observable phenomena

[Caladan 19]

I don't see anything wrong with both theories being presented side by side. The key is making sure that the text, and the instructor, are unbiased. Let the students decide for themselves.

Ha, I can't even decide for myself, no proof from either side, and what you feel or believe is not indisputable proof. Should just leave it as, we don't know. But for some reason, we can certainly wonder about it.

Ha, listened to PBS radio with a professor from the Colombia university that teaches a course on the history of comic books, now that is something important for our kids to know.

Can anyone get a job with a degree on comic book history?

Universities often teach service courses. These are courses designed for the non-major, as an introduction to the subject, and a well-designed course will have (say) students comparing comic books with other forms of literature. Usually these classes are there because the university requires everyone to take, e.g., one history and one literature. They tend to be pitched at a level such that they're attractive to people who would otherwise have no interest in the subject at all.

It's certainly not a major in comic books. And the professor probably has a degree in history or literature with this class being a side interest. (As whether comic books are worth it, well, I don't know. I think a case could be made for Watchmen. But a hundred years ago they were having this exact same debate about the novel, which was considered to be a lesser form of literature compared to poetry. )

And yeah, if you get a degree from Columbia and took a course in comic book history, you're probably doing just fine on the job market.

[pedroh 21]

the·o·ry

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2: abstract thought : speculation

3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

I don't see anything wrong with both theories being presented side by side. The key is making sure that the text, and the instructor, are unbiased. Let the students decide for themselves.

Because only one of the theories is science.

I would love to see religion classes in schools, but I don't want intelligent design being taught as an alternative to evolutionary biology any more than I want kids being taught 2+2 = 5.

It's OK for the other parents to have their children taught what they don't believe though?

that's why ID should be taught in another class if it were to be taught.. it's not a science, and science is not up to believe or not, it's proven

and if you're a parent and believe 2+2=5.. there's something wrong w that

200 years and science is still considered a 'belief'?

I find that not only extremely odd, but rather scary. Seems people would much rather follow rules based on something they can't hope to understand indeed 'understanding' is discouraged in favour of faith, than develop a deeper understanding of the world around them in order to learn how best to live in the situation they find themselves in on birth.

I'll stick with following rules that make sense and are based on observable phenomena

that is frightening.. and I don't know what the beef is.. catholicism acknowledges evolution.. protestants.. well..

[LaL 418]

I would choose to show this Family Guy clip. Peter Griffin sums it all up nicely, as usual:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/54634/family-guy...ion-vs-creation

adding to that :

Family Guy & Carl Sagan

no offense anyone

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

God and ape.

[DeadPoolX 9]

i dont know why is this still being discussed.. it's so stupid and worthles...

teach evolution in science, teach whatever belief u think of in another class

I absolutely agree.

While I do believe in science (and therefore evolution), I don't see why both couldn't be taught in separate classes. Let the students decide for themselves.

Besides... who says religion and science can't work together? Maybe God created evolution so he wouldn't have to multitask.

Edited February 8, 2009 by DeadPoolX

[Teacher Mark 53]

Seems that those of us that disagree with Creationism would want the two sat side by side and compared/contrasted.

[HAL 9000 96]

i dont know why is this still being discussed.. it's so stupid and worthles...

teach evolution in science, teach whatever belief u think of in another class

Yep.

I'll remember this lunacy next time I go to mass and ask the priest for some pulpit time to teach science to the flock.

I don't see anything wrong with both theories being presented side by side. The key is making sure that the text, and the instructor, are unbiased. Let the students decide for themselves.

Not when both 'theories' are different disciplines altogether. But sure... if we want to play the believe this over that game, then the student can decide once they've taken two independent classes.

[Teacher Mark 53]

If evolution is a scientific fact, please show me the missing link.

[HAL 9000 96]

the·o·ry

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2: abstract thought : speculation

3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

I don't see anything wrong with both theories being presented side by side. The key is making sure that the text, and the instructor, are unbiased. Let the students decide for themselves.

Because only one of the theories is science.

I would love to see religion classes in schools, but I don't want intelligent design being taught as an alternative to evolutionary biology any more than I want kids being taught 2+2 = 5.

It's OK for the other parents to have their children taught what they don't believe though?

Mom + Dad can always petition to have the science curriculum removed as a grad requirement since they choose to not separate science from religion.

[Mags 112]

Evolution should be taught in scientific classes, intelligent design in a spirituality type environment. But ID isn't science and has no place in that class, imo.

[HAL 9000 96]

200 years and science is still considered a 'belief'?

I find that not only extremely odd, but rather scary. Seems people would much rather follow rules based on something they can't hope to understand indeed 'understanding' is discouraged in favour of faith, than develop a deeper understanding of the world around them in order to learn how best to live in the situation they find themselves in on birth.

I'll stick with following rules that make sense and are based on observable phenomena

Well you got people that will continue to misunderstand the difference between weather and climate so why should it come as a major surprise that some people's faith is challenged by scientific evidence that, to be honest, doesn't even mention an anti-religion bias in its methodology, observations, and interpretations.

I don't see anything wrong with both theories being presented side by side. The key is making sure that the text, and the instructor, are unbiased. Let the students decide for themselves.

Ha, I can't even decide for myself, no proof from either side, and what you feel or believe is not indisputable proof. Should just leave it as, we don't know. But for some reason, we can certainly wonder about it.

Ha, listened to PBS radio with a professor from the Colombia university that teaches a course on the history of comic books, now that is something important for our kids to know.

Can anyone get a job with a degree on comic book history?

Universities often teach service courses. These are courses designed for the non-major, as an introduction to the subject, and a well-designed course will have (say) students comparing comic books with other forms of literature. Usually these classes are there because the university requires everyone to take, e.g., one history and one literature. They tend to be pitched at a level such that they're attractive to people who would otherwise have no interest in the subject at all.

It's certainly not a major in comic books. And the professor probably has a degree in history or literature with this class being a side interest. (As whether comic books are worth it, well, I don't know. I think a case could be made for Watchmen. But a hundred years ago they were having this exact same debate about the novel, which was considered to be a lesser form of literature compared to poetry. )

And yeah, if you get a degree from Columbia and took a course in comic book history, you're probably doing just fine on the job market.

Electives are great sometimes.

[HAL 9000 96]

If evolution is a scientific fact, please show me the missing link.

Its in the genes; which is why 99% of the evolutionary biologists I know do so from a molecular bio point of view (genes).

[Teacher Mark 53]

[Peikko 1,575]

We've had this discussion before:

Scientific theories are presentations of reasonable explanations based on meticulous observation of phenomenon coupled with experiments that demonstrate cause and effect.

Belief in god as the creator of man has no, nor does it require a quantifiable test. This is a very good example of comparing apples and oranges.