Abortion debate

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I posted this a while back - but it doesn't hurt to reiterate:

Teen Girls Feel Pressure to Have Unwanted Sex

Of all of the girls interviewed, almost 41 percent said that, on at least one occasion, they had sex when they didn't want to. Ten percent said that their boyfriends forced them to have sex.

Almost 38 percent of those girls also admitted to having unwanted sex because they were afraid that their boyfriend would be angry if they said no. Girls were also more likely to be pressured into sex if they were in a long-term relationship, if they had had a baby with their partner, or if they felt they didn't have control with a partner when it came to sex. Infrequent use of condoms, and the use of marijuana or alcohol, also made a girl more likely to be pressured into sex.

Some food for thought.

[HAL 9000 96]

Man things would have been so much easier back in the day if pressure was a 50:50 kind of thing.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Of course women feel the pressure to have sex. It's then their responsibility to stop it before it goes too far. If the woman is "too horny" to reject a man's urge to "stick it in," then that's her fault. If it's all about the woman's body, then she should take better care of it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course women feel the pressure to have sex. It's then their responsibility to stop it before it goes too far. If the woman is "too horny" to reject a man's urge to "stick it in," then that's her fault. If it's all about the woman's body, then she should take better care of it.

It doesn't matter whose responsibility it is - it happens, and if the woman has crappy self esteem or isn't good at asserting herself arguing responsibility isn't going to help.

[Sprailenes 47]

Perhaps the words Rights needs defined:

the right to chooses whether your child lives or dies, the right to love that child, the right to rear that child, the right to want to pass onto your child good qualities, the right to share the life that you HELPED create, the right to take ownership of your actions, the right to share the joy of your child.

These are the rights that I speak of....not legal rights. Though those should be considered as well.

Many assume that because the mother is the environment that the child is in..that the growth and development of that child is interlink to that of the mother's, thus giving her ultimate authority over the well being of the child. There Is much truth to that, but the child, at conception, is a life unto itself and seperate from the mother. Pro-choicers would conclude that since the child is "part" of the woman's body that the decision of the fetus are her's exclusively.

Let's not forget that the fetus share half of its genes from the mother and half from the father....So, that growth, the tisse IS part of the father's. No, he does not have the ability to provied the bilogical environment nor be the vessel for teh fetus...but he DOES have his own personal tissue growing inside the womb.

Does this not give him(to all the scientist) some right to govern how HIS DNA, his genes, his tissue is to be maintained? The mother carries nor more, no less genetic tissue offerings to the fetus than the father does. The only difference is the vessel it is carried in. Yes, i know this is significant..I am well aware of this.

You're going on as if both partners NEVER discuss this and women just go off on their own, which does happen often, but also many women do talk to their sex partners about it... many times both make the decision. Kind of goes both ways.

A woman chooses to abort the fetus when a woman doesn't want to carry a baby to term, nor does she want the responsibility of having a baby. So because a man wants the baby she needs to carry it to term for 9 months, she needs to give birth??? Do you realize how that sounds?

What happens to the young mother who has to go to school or has parents and a community who will shun her because of it? Oh wait, it could be like a punishment right!? That'll teach her. All because some guy wants her to keep this baby inside of her.

Either way you look at it, the decision is selfish yes, but you want the man to make the decision.

I understand both gene pools are involved, but until that baby is born, that decision is the woman's, its our bodies.

Regardless, your way is just as immoral as a woman not discussing it. If we were to look at it from your point of view.

Edited February 9, 2009 by Sprailenes

[NickD 203]

Maybe I have been living a sheltered life, my only encounter with abortions has been people knocking on my door or calling me on the phone to either ask for money to fight for prochoice as they call it, or for prolife. Another encounter was at church, abortion is wrong wrong wrong and you will go to hell kind of thing.

Probably living with bad company where friends and relatives are extremely happy to have a baby. Or are taking means to prevent pregnancies due to financial conditions. If anyone of them are having or considering having an abortion, being awfully quiet about it.

So have some huge billboards in town for either pro choice or life, to keep from going to hell, should I carry a sign at PPH at the nearest town 40 miles away? They really don't advertise giving abortions and I don't even know if they do or not?

Is this a state or a religious issue? If it's a state issue, why was it permitted with only a 5 to 4 vote?

[HAL 9000 96]

Of course women feel the pressure to have sex. It's then their responsibility to stop it before it goes too far. If the woman is "too horny" to reject a man's urge to "stick it in," then that's her fault. If it's all about the woman's body, then she should take better care of it.

Yeah, but then she won't love us enough to show it...

[Boorai 0]

Of course women feel the pressure to have sex. It's then their responsibility to stop it before it goes too far. If the woman is "too horny" to reject a man's urge to "stick it in," then that's her fault. If it's all about the woman's body, then she should take better care of it.

"If it's all about the woman's body, then she should take better care of it."

BRAVO!!!

[Boorai 0]

Perhaps the words Rights needs defined:

the right to chooses whether your child lives or dies, the right to love that child, the right to rear that child, the right to want to pass onto your child good qualities, the right to share the life that you HELPED create, the right to take ownership of your actions, the right to share the joy of your child.

These are the rights that I speak of....not legal rights. Though those should be considered as well.

Many assume that because the mother is the environment that the child is in..that the growth and development of that child is interlink to that of the mother's, thus giving her ultimate authority over the well being of the child. There Is much truth to that, but the child, at conception, is a life unto itself and seperate from the mother. Pro-choicers would conclude that since the child is "part" of the woman's body that the decision of the fetus are her's exclusively.

Let's not forget that the fetus share half of its genes from the mother and half from the father....So, that growth, the tisse IS part of the father's. No, he does not have the ability to provied the bilogical environment nor be the vessel for teh fetus...but he DOES have his own personal tissue growing inside the womb.

Does this not give him(to all the scientist) some right to govern how HIS DNA, his genes, his tissue is to be maintained? The mother carries nor more, no less genetic tissue offerings to the fetus than the father does. The only difference is the vessel it is carried in. Yes, i know this is significant..I am well aware of this.

You're going on as if both partners NEVER discuss this and women just go off on their own, which does happen often, but also many women do talk to their sex partners about it... many times both make the decision. Kind of goes both ways.

A woman chooses to abort the fetus when a woman doesn't want to carry a baby to term, nor does she want the responsibility of having a baby. So because a man wants the baby she needs to carry it to term for 9 months, she needs to give birth??? Do you realize how that sounds?

What happens to the young mother who has to go to school or has parents and a community who will shun her because of it? Oh wait, it could be like a punishment right!? That'll teach her. All because some guy wants her to keep this baby inside of her.

Either way you look at it, the decision is selfish yes, but you want the man to make the decision.

I understand both gene pools are involved, but until that baby is born, that decision is the woman's, its our bodies.

Regardless, your way is just as immoral as a woman not discussing it. If we were to look at it from your point of view.

My only point was that the father gets exluded in these decisions. When there may very well be a loving, capable father. The argument of "its a woman's body"; just is not good enough(too me). Because, the babies body is not her's and the father must has rights in these type of decisions.

I have already made my arugment.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course women feel the pressure to have sex. It's then their responsibility to stop it before it goes too far. If the woman is "too horny" to reject a man's urge to "stick it in," then that's her fault. If it's all about the woman's body, then she should take better care of it.

"If it's all about the woman's body, then she should take better care of it."

BRAVO!!!

You just love throwing out these blanket judgements don't you... Perhaps you aren't aware of this but there are world views other than yours.

Who are you to tell women that have abortions that they don't "take care" of themselves?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My only point was that the father gets exluded in these decisions. When there may very well be a loving, capable father. The argument of "its a woman's body"; just is not good enough(too me). Because, the babies body is not her's and the father must has rights in these type of decisions.

I have already made my arugment.

You just keep repeating the same poorly thought out rationale over and over.

Whether the biological father is "loving" or "capable" is completely irrelevant as its the woman who decides whether or not to go through with the pregnancy.

As such the father doesn't and cannot have "rights" in those decisions.

He can certainly have an opinion, but the final decision is not his.

[HAL 9000 96]

My only point was that the father gets exluded in these decisions. When there may very well be a loving, capable father. The argument of "its a woman's body"; just is not good enough(too me). Because, the babies body is not her's and the father must has rights in these type of decisions.

I have already made my arugment.

You just keep repeating the same poorly thought out rationale over and over.

Whether the biological father is "loving" or "capable" is completely irrelevant as its the woman who decides whether or not to go through with the pregnancy.

As such the father doesn't and cannot have "rights" in those decisions.

He can certainly have an opinion, but the final decision is not his.

Wow just wow... lol

How silly can this argument get already? For the 5th time... once men can have babies... then we can talk about parity in the decision making process.

[SaadBell 0]

[Danno 1,228]

Jeez for the last time: will you get over the "Father" thing.

He loss is nothing compared to that child pulled from the womb.... piece by piece.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's the woman's decision. Get over it.