Abortion debate

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The support comes from duties owed to the *child*. Not the woman. The woman, once the kid is born, is in exactly the same position as the father. Support the child, provide for the child's support, or (jointly) terminate parental rights. Support for the child starts at birth (not before.)

Being able to terminate child support based on the idea that the woman didn't have an abortion is a conceptually confused claim. (Not to mention, likely quite bad practically.)

If the father gets the same parental rights as the mother, then there's some logic to your idea. Unfortunately, the man rarely gets any parental rights or even gets to see the child he's paying to help support.

They do, under the law. If the dad was primary caregiver and the woman the wage-earner, he'd get child support, too. In practice, in divorces, this isn't always the case.

But that's what I mean when I say that if you want to fix child support, we should undertake laws to make that more fair, not try to solve the problem by punishing the child, or create a situation where a guy could force a woman to terminate a pregnancy.

no one has even come close to suggesting that a man have the authority to force a woman into an abortion. That was suggested by the Pro-Choicers actually; to further support their opinion.

You made a claim several times that a man should have some sort of undefined rights over the baby in the womb.

How exactly would that work?

[DeadPoolX 9]

I don't know why we even bother to have debates like these. No one ever changes their position and everyone thinks their opinion is right. It's an exercise in futility.

[HAL 9000 96]

Re-read this very thread and I believe you actually were the first to sugget that. I could be mistaken and forgive me it I am. But on this thread there have been numerous comments to the sort. With neither myself NOR DPX suggesting or supporting that notion.

Must have read the thread wrong then because I do not nor ever have claimed to such a silly notion.

The only think I've been suggesting quite ad nauseam at this point is that males need to have the capability to carry a child to term. When that happens, then we can talk for the umpteenth time about equality in making final choices if and when they become important to discuss within the confines of a couple.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't know why we even bother to have debates like these. No one ever changes their position and everyone thinks their opinion is right. It's an exercise in futility.

It certainly doesn't help when the thread is started with a piece of blatant propaganda.

[Danno 1,228]

I don't know why we even bother to have debates like these. No one ever changes their position and everyone thinks their opinion is right. It's an exercise in futility.

It certainly doesn't help when the thread is started with a piece of blatant propaganda.

Professor explain to the class what PROPAGANDA is and then explain how this new story, is any more propaganda than any of the others posted here every day?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't know why we even bother to have debates like these. No one ever changes their position and everyone thinks their opinion is right. It's an exercise in futility.

It certainly doesn't help when the thread is started with a piece of blatant propaganda.

Professor explain to the class what PROPAGANDA is and then explain how this new story, is any more propaganda than any of the others posted here every day?

How's about you educate yourself?

[Sinergy 3]

a debate like this is asking for ppl to end up disliking you

[HAL 9000 96]

So much hate going around... quick... group hug!