Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage

[MMW 2]

I am married to a filipina and i know the way she uses English words can be stated one way and she means something different so I know that her saying she doesn't have her decision yet doesn't mean the case isn't finished yet by the court in the Philippines. I do believe that there is a possibility that she was not accurate in her filing. I am not saying she didn't, but i also am not having enough info from her post to be so judgmental to say there is definite fraud here. My real concern for my posts are to add support to a member looking for it and to ensure others wont be afraid to post their controversial situations because of fear of this happening to them. I would think founding members would have this at the front of their posts when making them. I have really enjoyed this site and all the support we offer to each other. Let's keep it a site dedicated to support and not one that may intimidate people not to ask the question that might mean a visa for them or not. Having had experience with how Filipinos sometimes use incorrect words in their tranlations of english i tend to keep a more open mind on what they intend to mean than the literal translation.

[MMW 2]

yes i know how the forms read and yes if she put none on the question of the marriage then she lied but we dont have that info. putting the marriage and listing the date of her court wouldn't be a lie necessarily.

[Sinergy 3]

I am married to a filipina and i know the way she uses English words can be stated one way and she means something different so I know that her saying she doesn't have her decision yet doesn't mean the case isn't finished yet by the court in the Philippines. I do believe that there is a possibility that she was not accurate in her filing. I am not saying she didn't, but i also am not having enough info from her post to be so judgmental to say there is definite fraud here. My real concern for my posts are to add support to a member looking for it and to ensure others wont be afraid to post their controversial situations because of fear of this happening to them. I would think founding members would have this at the front of their posts when making them. I have really enjoyed this site and all the support we offer to each other. Let's keep it a site dedicated to support and not one that may intimidate people not to ask the question that might mean a visa for them or not. Having had experience with how Filipinos sometimes use incorrect words in their tranlations of english i tend to keep a more open mind on what they intend to mean than the literal translation.

Not being accurate about currently being married when you file a petition for fiance visa is fraud...i dont care how you try to put it or how you try to word it...the OP has already stated she did it knowing she was still married...so she knew exactly what she was doing when the petition was filed. i still dont understand how you dont understand that that is the issue. SHE KNEW! also...i dont care what language you speak if you know even a little enlgish...what i c/p'ed from the g325 is clear and simple.

the OP knows what she did, and knew she was still married when she filled out the forms....there is no excuse in the world for her when she already admitted it.

gnight

yes i know how the forms read and yes if she put none on the question of the marriage then she lied but we dont have that info. putting the marriage and listing the date of her court wouldn't be a lie necessarily.

it would as it simply says TERMINATION DATE....that is not a court date....she knew that...thats why she is stressing so much right now...and why she was stressing so much that the consulate wouldnt let her hold off the interview until the annulment was final....these are HER WORDS...not mine

[natty bumppo 297]

yes i know how the forms read and yes if she put none on the question of the marriage then she lied but we dont have that info. putting the marriage and listing the date of her court wouldn't be a lie necessarily .

she could tell the future

it's real simple ... either you're married or you're not when you complete the forms. Completing and mailing the forms tells USCIS that your life is a certain way when the forms were mailed. There is not an check box for a "future" divorce. When the letter hits the mail the divorce is either real or a lie.

In this case ... the documents mailed were fraudulent.

[MMW 2]

i agree totally it was not the smartest thing to file for a k-3 visa before having all the documents in hand no doubt of that. My concern remains the judgmental way we are approaching this issue. we can be firm in our views without being so i hate to say lacking in compassion, but that is what i am seeing here. If she did commit fraud shame on her she will reep the results but I am also looking at other members that may have situations close to this that wont ask for advice for fear of being crucified. Sin i know you are correct in the content but what if we toned down the level?

AN OPEN MIND IS ONE READY TO SEE THE POSSIBLE! NO MATTER HOW IMPROBABLE IT MIGHT BE!!!!

[natty bumppo 297]

I am married to a filipina and i know the way she uses English words can be stated one way and she means something different so I know that her saying she doesn't have her decision yet doesn't mean the case isn't finished yet by the court in the Philippines. I do believe that there is a possibility that she was not accurate in her filing. I am not saying she didn't, but i also am not having enough info from her post to be so judgmental to say there is definite fraud here. My real concern for my posts are to add support to a member looking for it and to ensure others wont be afraid to post their controversial situations because of fear of this happening to them. I would think founding members would have this at the front of their posts when making them. I have really enjoyed this site and all the support we offer to each other. Let's keep it a site dedicated to support and not one that may intimidate people not to ask the question that might mean a visa for them or not. Having had experience with how Filipinos sometimes use incorrect words in their tranlations of english i tend to keep a more open mind on what they intend to mean than the literal translation.

What does being married to a filipina have to do with this situation? Or being married to anyone who has english as a second language?

The USC files the petition.

The foreign person provides their G-325 data for the packet. (wonder what kind of honesty this relationship really has)

Everyone here is trying to support the story teller who was married. Ever consider what will happen to the petitioner (USC) who has now filed a fraudulent petition?

[Tandamonaeh 0]

[/size]First of all i just wanna say hello to anyone there! i just really need your opinion right now,

i am not lucky like the usually people who got there chance to have a visa...

My Problem is i have my previous marriage before and now i am waiting for my decisions to come this month... But the woman in consul whose interviewing me today she's was denying my papers... she never give me a consideration to wait my decision this month...

So i just wanna know what is the best way that i can do once i received my decision..b'coz the embassy didnt give me an instruction to what i do then

if ever i have my decision from the court... if am i going to apply for new application for petition? or am i going to send the copy of my decision to the USCIS or Appealing for my case.... they we're just told me once my previous marriage not terminated they will never give me a visa thats it...and returned my passport, so no clue about any instruction..

My boyfriend and i we both deppresed about this things happen to us..please kindly give us some advise ..ill wait for your kindly feedback and reply

Godbless all!!

Hello...Just curious of your timeline...you are so lucky to received NOA2 almost 2 months only from NOA1...but so confused bcoz it took only 6 days from d time d NVC received and d time u received Packet 4, and from Packet 4 to Interview date is almost one year...I guess, its not bcoz u are still married why d consul denied you but its bcoz of expiration of your NOA2...I dont know if u r telling d truth or just gathering info if what would happen f you file K1 petition and ur previous marriage still not finalized...hope u wont mind me asking, is your timeline truthful or you were in rush only typing your timeline?[/ good luck to you.

thank you..

MadzandCarl

[natty bumppo 297]

i agree totally it was not the smartest thing to file for a k-3 visa before having all the documents in hand no doubt of that. My concern remains the judgmental way we are approaching this issue. we can be firm in our views without being so i hate to say lacking in compassion, but that is what i am seeing here. If she did commit fraud shame on her she will reep the results but I am also looking at other members that may have situations close to this that wont ask for advice for fear of being crucified. Sin i know you are correct in the content but what if we toned down the level?

AN OPEN MIND IS ONE READY TO SEE THE POSSIBLE! NO MATTER HOW IMPROBABLE IT MIGHT BE!!!!

The OP filed for a K-1 visa.

What is there to judge? They committed a fraudulent act. Case closed.

[gennyangel 3]

what happened to the OP? Hope she stumble on this page and give us some info

[MMW 2]

OK i give up i am not an Elder member or a Founder on this site so she is guilty of fraud. For the other members that will see this post please keep in mind we are here to support each other even in our stupidity. Hopefully some one with experience to share will answer this post and give some advice that will help you in your journey no matter how difficult it may become for what ever reason. I don't have that experience to share with you and will continue to be here to give support even when you do things that are insane to us. Best of luck to us all and may I remember today i am just human and flawed may tomorrow see me much improved.

[SingleCharles 0]

Noticed everyone is here and came by to see what is going on. Did someone catch fire?

I hope the OP comes back. This is gonna be good.

[natty bumppo 297]

OK i give up i am not an Elder member or a Founder on this site so she is guilty of fraud. For the other members that will see this post please keep in mind we are here to support each other even in our stupidity. Hopefully some one with experience to share will answer this post and give some advice that will help you in your journey no matter how difficult it may become for what ever reason. I don't have that experience to share with you and will continue to be here to give support even when you do things that are insane to us. Best of luck to us all and may I remember today i am just human and flawed may tomorrow see me much improved.

What does a title or longevity in participating on this forum have to do with the OP committing fraud? Or was this a sorry attempt to de-rail the topic?

There is stupidity ... and yes we all have our moments. This was a blatant lie on a Visa petition.

Married ... YES or NO?

Divorced ... YES or NO?

Doesn't get much simpler than this. You either have the official documentation or you do not.

Edited February 7, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[Ellie-and-David 38]

Hmmmmm....

well I found the locking of intellectual horns interesting to read, but I'm quite sure that the debate on these pages is going to scare the OP.

Or

Troll?

But this certainly has been an interesting discussion....

If she comes back, I'll be very surprised.

[defunct 0]

they we're just told me once my previous marriage not terminated they will never give me a visa thats it...and returned my passport, so no clue about any instruction..

I'm trying to interpret this since English isn't the OP's first language, but it seems like she already settled the ban debate. The consulate said that they would never issue you a visa. Sounds like your options are extremely limited if any at all.

[Anna and Jeff 3]

here...lets make this visible

http://www.visajourney.com/examples/INS-Form-G-325A.pdf

this is the G-325....which you have to fill 4 of these out for yourself.

The question:

Former Husbands or Wives (If none, so state)Family Name (For wife, give maiden name)

First Name

Date and Place of Termination of Marriage

Date and Place of Marriage

Birth Date(mm/dd/yyyy)

[if there is none put none]

If the OP put NONE.......LIE....FRAUD

If the OP put her current husband and a termination date...it wouldve been a false date as there was no termination date at the time of filling out the form...guess what....LIE.....FRAUD

"An annulment is a decree that a marriage was invalid from its outset. Whereas a divorce brings a valid marriage to an end, an annulment is a legal decree that effectively undoes the marriage, such that in the eyes of the law the marriage did not ever exist."

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/family_law/annulment.html

Given that definition what does someone who has an annulment claim on the forms? It confuses me.

Her problem it was not annulled in time for the interview. What she said in that interview is crucial. If she attempted to hide the marriage then she is in trouble. If she volunteered her confusion because the marriage was not annulled in time she was being truthful. She came her confused about what to do. She apparently didn't understand there was any fraud involved.

Where on the form does it mention annulment?