doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

[Peikko 1,575]

I am sure everyone agrees that no fetus should be treated in this appalling way, no matter what side of the abortion issue you sit.

This story does nothing to forward a mature debate, it just seems to seek to fuel the anger mindset of those who are entrenched in their position. Or at least, the way the OP presented it that seems to be the 'point'. How stupid.

[NickD 203]

Medical board revokes license of abortion doctor

1 hour ago

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — A Florida agency has revoked the license of a doctor accused of medical malpractice in a botched abortion in which authorities say a live baby was placed in the trash.

The Florida Board of Medicine on Friday found Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique (ren-uh-LEEK') guilty of medical malpractice and delegating responsibility to unlicensed personnel.

An administrative complaint said Renelique was scheduled to perform an abortion on a teenager who was 23 weeks pregnant.

According to the complaint, Sycloria Williams gave birth at a Hialeah clinic after waiting hours for Renelique to arrive. A clinic owner placed the baby in the trash. Police recovered the decomposing remains a week later.

Renelique and his attorney declined to comment after the hearing.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...AAY5MAD96662DG2

Sycloria paid 1,200 bucks for that kid, like that movie, Juno, would have paid her delivery expenses to get that kid. Human life is still too precious, even though they are only worth a 3,500 buck FIT deduction, and six bucks an hour minimum wage.

Wife has to go to our planned parenthood every once in awhile as part of her job, tells me it ran by 100% women. Wonder what that says?

[britty 1]

This woman waits until 23 weeks? Someone somewhere will think she is deserving of understanding and wasn't given adequate information, or she had a terrible upbringing and is merely a confused, misguided soul. She laid on her back and opened her legs and it takes her nearly 6 months to realize she cannot support a child? So we have established she is a moron and now has to live with the fact that she delivered a live baby and did nothing whilst a murderer threw her baby in the trash. In my mind, that makes her an accessory to murder. Anyone willing to perform a termination at 23 weeks is a total sicko. I am disgusted.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

She laid on her back and opened her legs ...

#######!

[HAL 9000 96]

It was done in Hialeah. Enough said.

FWIW- sis just replied and confirms. 23 weeks is nearly impossible to have a viable baby, even if the mother's body goes into a defacto (induced is the right term here) labor.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that this is quite a disgusting thing to do. As was said before. How this can translate for a limiting of women's reproductive rights (beyond waiting to week 23 as a smart option) is beyond any sane logic, however.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

It was done in Hialeah. Enough said.

FWIW- sis just replied and confirms. 23 weeks is nearly impossible to have a viable baby, even if the mother's body goes into a defacto (induced is the right term here) labor.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that this is quite a disgusting thing to do. As was said before. How this can translate for a limiting of women's reproductive rights (beyond waiting to week 23 as a smart option) is beyond any sane logic, however.

I agree. I am pro-choice, but waiting 23 weeks to get an abortion is beyond stupid. The mother should also get canned.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This woman waits until 23 weeks? Someone somewhere will think she is deserving of understanding and wasn't given adequate information, or she had a terrible upbringing and is merely a confused, misguided soul. She laid on her back and opened her legs and it takes her nearly 6 months to realize she cannot support a child? So we have established she is a moron and now has to live with the fact that she delivered a live baby and did nothing whilst a murderer threw her baby in the trash. In my mind, that makes her an accessory to murder. Anyone willing to perform a termination at 23 weeks is a total sicko. I am disgusted.

People who make bad choices often pay for them in one way or another - in this specific instance I rather doubt that this is an experience that the girl will quickly forget; and in all likelihood will lead to further problems for her down the line.

Fact is we don't know (as usual) what went on in the girl's head that prompted her to do this or indeed why she waited so long - there could be any number of reasons. Her complicity in this (whatever the reasoning) doesn't take away from the questionable ethics employed by the doctor and the terrible way in which they conducted the procedure.

Edited February 6, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[Danno 1,228]

It was done in Hialeah. Enough said.

FWIW- sis just replied and confirms. 23 weeks is nearly impossible to have a viable baby, even if the mother's body goes into a defacto (induced is the right term here) labor.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that this is quite a disgusting thing to do. As was said before. How this can translate for a limiting of women's reproductive rights (beyond waiting to week 23 as a smart option) is beyond any sane logic, however.

If you and others are so determined this girl had a "right" to abort this fetus... on up to nine months..why the heartburn?

Because an unlicensed person stuffed the baby in a bag and tossed it into the trash?

Because the customer saw the very thing she was paying to rid herself of?

It would seem like reasonable people would agree, no right is without limits.

In the same way "The Right to bare arms" does not entitle one to carry a gun anywhere at any time, the "RIght to abortion" on demand in these late stages should be limited to extreme cases.

We actually have more outrage over detainees at Gitmo.... or the human waste on Death-row than we do about these fully formed fetuses which are only guilty of being in the wrong womb.

[HAL 9000 96]

It was done in Hialeah. Enough said.

FWIW- sis just replied and confirms. 23 weeks is nearly impossible to have a viable baby, even if the mother's body goes into a defacto (induced is the right term here) labor.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that this is quite a disgusting thing to do. As was said before. How this can translate for a limiting of women's reproductive rights (beyond waiting to week 23 as a smart option) is beyond any sane logic, however.

If you and others are so determined this girl had a "right" to abort this fetus... on up to nine months..why the heartburn?

Because an unlicensed person stuffed the baby in a bag and tossed it into the trash?

Because the customer saw the very thing she was paying to rid herself of?

It would seem like reasonable people would agree, no right is without limits.

In the same way "The Right to bare arms" does not entitle one to carry a gun anywhere at any time, the "RIght to abortion" on demand in these late stages should be limited to extreme cases.

We actually have more outrage over detainees at Gitmo.... or the human waste on Death-row than we do about these fully formed fetuses which are only guilty of being in the wrong womb.

I think if you used your brain long enough to read what I write you'd realize what it is that I write. As in reading what is there. Um, like in red italics.

Most doctors that deliver babies will confirm it, genius. A fetus at 23 weeks is probabilistically nonviable. And, to top it off, as I have also written above before your superb reading skills kicked in, what should have proceeded when the apparent 'live birth' commenced.

[Peikko 1,575]

It was done in Hialeah. Enough said.

FWIW- sis just replied and confirms. 23 weeks is nearly impossible to have a viable baby, even if the mother's body goes into a defacto (induced is the right term here) labor.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that this is quite a disgusting thing to do. As was said before. How this can translate for a limiting of women's reproductive rights (beyond waiting to week 23 as a smart option) is beyond any sane logic, however.

If you and others are so determined this girl had a "right" to abort this fetus... on up to nine months..why the heartburn?

Because an unlicensed person stuffed the baby in a bag and tossed it into the trash?

Because the customer saw the very thing she was paying to rid herself of?

It would seem like reasonable people would agree, no right is without limits.

In the same way "The Right to bare arms" does not entitle one to carry a gun anywhere at any time, the "RIght to abortion" on demand in these late stages should be limited to extreme cases.

We actually have more outrage over detainees at Gitmo.... or the human waste on Death-row than we do about these fully formed fetuses which are only guilty of being in the wrong womb.

Outrage is a pretty useless emotion as it leads to sloppy thinking, such as this need rank the order in which one should feel 'outraged' about X, Y or Z.

I'll try again, this time it might get through. There is no excuse for what happened to this fetus, it was wrong, period.

However, this thread is using this sad and terrible story to drive an emotional argument on the notion of abortion per se. That's stupid.

[Marilyn. 340]

Pretty sickening.

Just emailed the sister. She's an Ob/Gyn and can tell us through me after what week is considered physiologically viable- I have often heard its 37 weeks. I doubt that 23 weeks would be considered as such. But a live birth is a live birth and should be treated as a pre-term.

yeah a baby born alive over 22 weeks is considered viable... my baby was born at 23 weeks...

[HAL 9000 96]

Pretty sickening.

Just emailed the sister. She's an Ob/Gyn and can tell us through me after what week is considered physiologically viable- I have often heard its 37 weeks. I doubt that 23 weeks would be considered as such. But a live birth is a live birth and should be treated as a pre-term.

yeah a baby born alive over 22 weeks is considered viable... my baby was born at 23 weeks...

Then your baby is indeed a miracle baby although I believe the chances of healthy development aftwards- including conveniently.. survival... is around 25%.

(Viability is often set at later than 23 weeks).

Many premature births beyond 23 weeks are not as lucky, sadly.

Besides Danno's missed points- we can check the numbers but I believe less than 2% (if not less) of all abortions performed occur post the 21st week.

[Marilyn. 340]

Pretty sickening.

Just emailed the sister. She's an Ob/Gyn and can tell us through me after what week is considered physiologically viable- I have often heard its 37 weeks. I doubt that 23 weeks would be considered as such. But a live birth is a live birth and should be treated as a pre-term.

yeah a baby born alive over 22 weeks is considered viable... my baby was born at 23 weeks...

Then your baby is indeed a miracle baby although I believe the chances of healthy development aftwards- including conveniently.. survival... is around 25%.

(Viability is often set at later than 23 weeks).

Many premature births beyond 23 weeks are not as lucky, sadly.

Besides Danno's missed points- we can check the numbers but I believe less than 2% (if not less) of all abortions performed occur post the 21st week.

my baby had complications and only lived for 12 days... but I was told that the cut-off for viability was about 22 weeks.. yeah there isn't a high chance of survival at that age but that doesn't mean they aren't viable,....

[HAL 9000 96]

Pretty sickening.

Just emailed the sister. She's an Ob/Gyn and can tell us through me after what week is considered physiologically viable- I have often heard its 37 weeks. I doubt that 23 weeks would be considered as such. But a live birth is a live birth and should be treated as a pre-term.

yeah a baby born alive over 22 weeks is considered viable... my baby was born at 23 weeks...

Then your baby is indeed a miracle baby although I believe the chances of healthy development aftwards- including conveniently.. survival... is around 25%.

(Viability is often set at later than 23 weeks).

Many premature births beyond 23 weeks are not as lucky, sadly.

Besides Danno's missed points- we can check the numbers but I believe less than 2% (if not less) of all abortions performed occur post the 21st week.

my baby had complications and only lived for 12 days... but I was told that the cut-off for viability was about 22 weeks.. yeah there isn't a high chance of survival at that age but that doesn't mean they aren't viable,....

Sorry...

What the doctors told you was based on the relationship with survivability and the access to technology- a common relationship that often clouds the actual significance of the term 'viability.' Not physiological viability per se. Take away the machines, and it is not just a high chance of mortality... but an improbable chance of survival due to the lack of development.

[franklie 0]

my baby had complications and only lived for 12 days... but I was told that the cut-off for viability was about 22 weeks.. yeah there isn't a high chance of survival at that age but that doesn't mean they aren't viable,....

Marilyn, I'm sorry for your loss.

I too lost a son at 23 weeks. It was lose my wife or lose the baby. The docs did everything to help my wife but in the end there was no way to break the fever within her; her body initiated delivery and the baby was born stillborn. they had the ultrasound on her and were monitoring the activity of the baby, he was moving - no signs of distress out of him up to the point of delivery. within 5 minutes of delivery the fever abated in my wife. I got to hold the little guy - he was perfectly formed, not much bigger than my hand. he looked like he was sleeping (the nurses cleaned him up and wrapped him in a little blanket)