Cheney: Obama is fvcking it all up

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

May 2002: Jose Padilla is arrested in Chicago on a return trip from Pakistan. Initially held as an enemy combatant and accused of planning to build a "dirty bomb," he was formally charged with aiding foreign jihadists in a Miami court in 2005. His trial began May 14.

September 2002: The "Lackawanna Six," American citizens of Yemeni descent living near Buffalo, N.Y., are arrested for allegedly having attended an al-Qaida camp in Afghanistan in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks. The six pleaded guilty in 2003 to providing material support to a terrorist organization.

May 2003: Iyman Faris of Columbus, Ohio, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Kashmir, pleads guilty to supporting al-Qaida. He was accused of planning to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge. He is sentenced to 20 years.

June 2003: In Virginia, the FBI charges a group of men with being part of a conspiracy to support holy war overseas. In all, 11 men eventually were convicted in what the government described as a "Virginia jihad network" that used paintball games as a form of training.

August 2004: U.S. authorities issue alert, announce evidence of a years-long plot to attack the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions in New York, Washington and Newark, N.J. They later accuse plotters of also planning attacks in England. Eventually, five men pleaded guilty in London, where alleged ringleader Dhiren Barot was convicted. At least one other man is awaiting trial.

August 2004: Two men are arrested on the eve of the Republican Convention in New York for allegedly plotting to blow up a busy subway station. James Elshafay, a U.S. citizen, eventually pleaded guilty and testified against the other man, Shahawar Matin Siraj, a Pakistani. Siraj was sentenced to 30 years in prison; Elshavy to five.

August 2004: Authorities arrest two leaders of a mosque in Albany, N.Y., and charge them with aiding in a purported plot to buy a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat. The former imam of the Masjid As-Salam mosque, Kurdish refugee Yassin Aref, and Mohammed Hossain, a mosque founder, were later found guilty to counts relating to money laundering and conspiracy.

June 2005: A Pakistani immigrant and his American-born son in Lodi, Calif., are arrested for allegedly lying to the FBI about the younger man's training at a jihadist camp in Pakistan. Hamid Hayat, the son, was found guilty of supporting terrorism and lying to the FBI. He is seeking a new trial. The case against Umer Hayat, the father, ended in a mistrial; he later pleaded guilty to lying to a customs agent about trying to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.

August 2005: Four California men, one the founder of a radical Islamic prison group, are indicted for allegedly conspiring to attack Los Angeles-area military bases, synagogues and other targets. The men have pleaded not guilty and await trial.

February 2006: Three men are arrested in Toledo, Ohio, for allegedly providing material support to terrorists. One of the men is accused of downloading videos on the use of suicide-bomb vests.

April 2006: Two Georgia men are charged with material support of terrorism after allegedly videotaping buildings in the Washington area, including the Capitol and the World Bank, and sending the video to a London extremist active on jihadist Web sites.

June 2006: The FBI announces the arrests of seven men in Miami and Atlanta in what officials called the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, and destroy FBI offices and other buildings. All pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial.

July 2006: U.S. authorities announce the arrest of Assem Hammoud, a Lebanese man they claim was plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels to flood the financial district.

March 2007: A Pentagon transcript is released indicating that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to that attack and a string of other terror plots, including that of Reid, during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

May 2007: Six men were arrested in an alleged plot to unleash a bloody rampage on Fort Dix in New Jersey. Five are charged with conspiring to kill military personnel and could face life in prison if convicted. The sixth faces up to 10 years in prison if he is convicted of weapons charges.

June 2007: Four Muslim men planned to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, kill thousands of people and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through residential neighborhoods. Three men were arrested and one was being sought

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--Bullwinkle

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If we're hit again before 2012 and if the GOP can convince the public (I believe they can) that Obama's bleeding heart is why it happened, then the American people will elect Cheney's corpse if they can.

9/11 was a once in a lifetime event. I doubt we'll see anything like that happen in this country again for a very long time.

It doesn't have to be "like that" to bring Cheney's corpse into the White House. It just has to be adequately scary.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If we're hit again before 2012 and if the GOP can convince the public (I believe they can) that Obama's bleeding heart is why it happened, then the American people will elect Cheney's corpse if they can.

9/11 was a once in a lifetime event. I doubt we'll see anything like that happen in this country again for a very long time.

It doesn't have to be "like that" to bring Cheney's corpse into the White House. It just has to be adequately scary.

I don't think anyone will succeed with a Bush Doctrine campaign platform for a long time - there's a certain ebb and flow to these things (as there was after Vietnam), and atm I think pretty much everyone is sick of the Bush's wars without end in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Edited February 4, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I think pretty much everyone is sick of the Bush's wars without end in Iraq and Afghanistan.

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think pretty much everyone is sick of the Bush's wars without end in Iraq and Afghanistan.

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They may well be. The point I'm making is that noone is going to get very far pushing a war agenda into new theaters (like Iran).

The War on Terror is something that is indelibly associated with the Bush administration.

[alienlovechild 75]

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They already are but the war in Iraq was winding down before Obama so I wouldn't give him much credit for that. Afghanistan will be interesting since Obama never dealt much with the issue on the year-old election campaign. He wants a "surge" of troops but I wonder if it will be as successful as the one in Iraq.

[Peikko 1,575]

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They already are but the war in Iraq was winding down before Obama so I wouldn't give him much credit for that. Afghanistan will be interesting since Obama never dealt much with the issue on the year-old election campaign. He wants a "surge" of troops but I wonder if it will be as successful as the one in Iraq.

Let me answer that. It'll be extremely unlikely that it will be, which is why Bush chose the easier Iraq option all those years ago.

I mean, they knew that Al Quaida was in Afghanistan, not Iraq but they chose to invade Iraq and obfuscated the reasons for doing so, persuading the US public that it was a 'war on terror' related to 9/11 blah blah blah. They knew it wasn't though. Cheney is horrid but not stupid.

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

I think pretty much everyone is sick of the Bush's wars without end in Iraq and Afghanistan.

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They may well be. The point I'm making is that noone is going to get very far pushing a war agenda into new theaters (like Iran).

The War on Terror is something that is indelibly associated with the Bush administration.

Iran is still a very hot issue, now that that they have demonstrated an ability to put an object into orbit. Israel has an itchy trigger finger, and they will dump a load of hurt on Iran soon, if the US does not stop the Iranian strategic weapons program. With the IDF and Hamas going toe to toe, we are closer than ever to another major middle east conflict, despite the best intentions of the new administration aside. Let's see how well Hillary does with this one. Tick, tick, tick...

Bullwinkle

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself

[alienlovechild 75]

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They already are but the war in Iraq was winding down before Obama so I wouldn't give him much credit for that. Afghanistan will be interesting since Obama never dealt much with the issue on the year-old election campaign. He wants a "surge" of troops but I wonder if it will be as successful as the one in Iraq.

Let me answer that. It'll be extremely unlikely that it will be, which is why Bush chose the easier Iraq option all those years ago.

I mean, they knew that Al Quaida was in Afghanistan, not Iraq but they chose to invade Iraq and obfuscated the reasons for doing so, persuading the US public that it was a 'war on terror' related to 9/11 blah blah blah. They knew it wasn't though. Cheney is horrid but not stupid.

Iraq was never seen as "the easier option".

The U.S. and its allies were already in Afghanistan two years before the war in Iraq so it wasn't either or but both. Secondly, there four times as many troops involved in Iraq than Afghanistan with many complaining there should have been even more troops in Iraq from the beginning.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think pretty much everyone is sick of the Bush's wars without end in Iraq and Afghanistan.

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They may well be. The point I'm making is that noone is going to get very far pushing a war agenda into new theaters (like Iran).

The War on Terror is something that is indelibly associated with the Bush administration.

Iran is still a very hot issue, now that that they have demonstrated an ability to put an object into orbit. Israel has an itchy trigger finger, and they will dump a load of hurt on Iran soon, if the US does not stop the Iranian strategic weapons program. With the IDF and Hamas going toe to toe, we are closer than ever to another major middle east conflict, despite the best intentions of the new administration aside. Let's see how well Hillary does with this one. Tick, tick, tick...

Bullwinkle

The US won't intervene directly in something like that - we don't have the money or the capability at this point in time. I suspect all we'll see are more attempts at diplomacy and a bit more sabre rattling.

[Peikko 1,575]

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They already are but the war in Iraq was winding down before Obama so I wouldn't give him much credit for that. Afghanistan will be interesting since Obama never dealt much with the issue on the year-old election campaign. He wants a "surge" of troops but I wonder if it will be as successful as the one in Iraq.

Let me answer that. It'll be extremely unlikely that it will be, which is why Bush chose the easier Iraq option all those years ago.

I mean, they knew that Al Quaida was in Afghanistan, not Iraq but they chose to invade Iraq and obfuscated the reasons for doing so, persuading the US public that it was a 'war on terror' related to 9/11 blah blah blah. They knew it wasn't though. Cheney is horrid but not stupid.

Iraq was never seen as "the easier option".

The U.S. and its allies were already in Afghanistan two years before the war in Iraq so it wasn't either or but both. Secondly, there four times as many troops involved in Iraq than Afghanistan with many complaining there should have been even more troops in Iraq from the beginning.

Propaganda works so well on some people.

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

I think pretty much everyone is sick of the Bush's wars without end in Iraq and Afghanistan.

4 years is a long time. They will be Obama's wars by 2010.

They may well be. The point I'm making is that noone is going to get very far pushing a war agenda into new theaters (like Iran).

The War on Terror is something that is indelibly associated with the Bush administration.

Iran is still a very hot issue, now that that they have demonstrated an ability to put an object into orbit. Israel has an itchy trigger finger, and they will dump a load of hurt on Iran soon, if the US does not stop the Iranian strategic weapons program. With the IDF and Hamas going toe to toe, we are closer than ever to another major middle east conflict, despite the best intentions of the new administration aside. Let's see how well Hillary does with this one. Tick, tick, tick...

Bullwinkle

The US won't intervene directly in something like that - we don't have the money or the capability at this point in time. I suspect all we'll see are more attempts at diplomacy and a bit more sabre rattling.

It would be a tough call for any administration. The Pentagon has already conducted at least one attack within Pakistan since Obama was sworn in. Iran continues to see the west as impotent, and all the saber rattling does is harden the Persian resolve. Given those two observations, I see no choice but for the US to strike some target in Iran, if only to show the world he (Obama) is not a wimp.

--Bullwinkle

Edited February 4, 2009 by Rocky_nBullwinkle

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The US has always indulged in limited warfare and strikes against its perceived enemies. Iraq was subject to aerial bombardment throughout the Clinton administration (though this didn't get much airplay on the news here).

I'm under few illusions that we'll likely continue with more of the same (in fact I read something a couple of months ago about Bush authorising some sort of covert operations to disrupt Irans nuclear program), but I very much doubt we'll be pulled into a full scale war with Iran, short of something drastic and unprecedented taking place.

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

The US has always indulged in limited warfare and strikes against its perceived enemies. Iraq was subject to aerial bombardment throughout the Clinton administration (though this didn't get much airplay on the news here).

I'm under few illusions that we'll likely continue with more of the same (in fact I read something a couple of months ago about Bush authorising some sort of covert operations to disrupt Irans nuclear program), but I very much doubt we'll be pulled into a full scale war with Iran, short of something drastic and unprecedented taking place.

Two bulls in a china shop, but I agree. Wait and see. Maybe, an escalation in the middle east might just distract us from our problems at home. Worked before.

--Bullwinkle