Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins

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I'm not going to argue for the merits of this particular article, but some folks here are outright dismissing legitimate alternative therapies that exist. Some dramatic diet plans do exist supported by reputable medical doctors. The minister that married my now ex-husband and I recovered from stage 3 prostate cancer with one such diet. He said his skin turned orange in the process and was tired of eating the vegetable slurry, but it worked for him. No chemo or radiation, just the diet.

And unfortunately, chemo and radiation don't work for many cancers out there. My former mother-in-law didn't stand a chance with those therapies with her ovarian cancer.

I understand that people like to pop pills and inject themselves with stuff, but don't dismiss something just because it's something you can control yourself or you're not familiar with.

I wouldn't call them alternatives. Just augmentative to existing therapies. Skin turns color by nutrient content... as in carotenoid compounds in excess. Think carrots.

[caybee 21]

I've got no problem with suggesting a healthy diet in addition to medical treatment -- I'd be eating the healthiest stuff I could find under the circumstances and also looking into acupuncture, reiki, and other ways to supplement my treatment.

I do have a problem with articles that lie about their sources (not blaming the OP here) because too many vulnerable people will not investigate further and may reject treatment that could save their lives.

The health and safety officer at my last job sent around a mandatory safety talk about how to stop a heart arrhythmia if you are alone by coughing a certain way. Someone had e-mailed her this article with bogus sources, and she took one look at it and decided it would get that task off her desk for the week. I researched it and read that not only was it unlikely to help but it was potentially deadly because following the technique could actually push the heart from a harmless type of arrhythmia into a dangerous one.

The nutritional information in the original post wasn't necessarily bad, but the bogus source alone throws all the article's claims into doubt. If a claim is valid, why not cite the real source instead of lying to try to boost credibility? Again, that's directed at the author of the article, not at the OP.

Edited February 4, 2009 by caybee

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I've got no problem with suggesting a healthy diet in addition to medical treatment -- I'd be eating the healthiest stuff I could find under the circumstances and also looking into acupuncture, reiki, and other ways to supplement my treatment.

I do have a problem with articles that lie about their sources (not blaming the OP here) because too many vulnerable people will not investigate further and may reject treatment that could save their lives.

The health and safety officer at my last job sent around a mandatory safety talk about how to stop a heart arrhythmia if you are alone by coughing a certain way. Someone had e-mailed her this article with bogus sources, and she took one look at it and decided it would get that task off her desk for the week. I researched it and read that not only was it unlikely to help but it was potentially deadly because following the technique could actually push the heart from a harmless type of arrhythmia into a dangerous one.

The nutritional information in the original post wasn't necessarily bad, but the bogus source alone throws all the article's claims into doubt. If a claim is valid, why not cite the real source instead of lying to try to boost credibility? Again, that's directed at the author of the article, not at the OP.

[Peikko 1,575]

I'm not going to argue for the merits of this particular article, but some folks here are outright dismissing legitimate alternative therapies that exist. Some dramatic diet plans do exist supported by reputable medical doctors. The minister that married my now ex-husband and I recovered from stage 3 prostate cancer with one such diet. He said his skin turned orange in the process and was tired of eating the vegetable slurry, but it worked for him. No chemo or radiation, just the diet.

And unfortunately, chemo and radiation don't work for many cancers out there. My former mother-in-law didn't stand a chance with those therapies with her ovarian cancer.

I understand that people like to pop pills and inject themselves with stuff, but don't dismiss something just because it's something you can control yourself or you're not familiar with.

I wouldn't call them alternatives. Just augmentative to existing therapies. Skin turns color by nutrient content... as in carotenoid compounds in excess. Think carrots.

Or oranges. I had a friend who turned orange from eating loads of those every day

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wonder if you can turn green (like The Hulk) by eating a shedload of peas, green beans and broccoli...

[HAL 9000 96]

I'm not going to argue for the merits of this particular article, but some folks here are outright dismissing legitimate alternative therapies that exist. Some dramatic diet plans do exist supported by reputable medical doctors. The minister that married my now ex-husband and I recovered from stage 3 prostate cancer with one such diet. He said his skin turned orange in the process and was tired of eating the vegetable slurry, but it worked for him. No chemo or radiation, just the diet.

And unfortunately, chemo and radiation don't work for many cancers out there. My former mother-in-law didn't stand a chance with those therapies with her ovarian cancer.

I understand that people like to pop pills and inject themselves with stuff, but don't dismiss something just because it's something you can control yourself or you're not familiar with.

I wouldn't call them alternatives. Just augmentative to existing therapies. Skin turns color by nutrient content... as in carotenoid compounds in excess. Think carrots.

Or oranges. I had a friend who turned orange from eating loads of those every day

Yes... this is indeed correct hermana Cleo.

It also goes along with drinking lots of cider. Anything with loads of Vitamin A.

[HAL 9000 96]

I wonder if you can turn green (like The Hulk) by eating a shedload of peas, green beans and broccoli...

Hmm. Do I sense an experiment being tried at home this weekend?

Don't know about green but you'll certainly be clutching the sides of the toilet from all that protein and raffinose sugars.

[Aubrey 10]

I'm not going to argue for the merits of this particular article, but some folks here are outright dismissing legitimate alternative therapies that exist. Some dramatic diet plans do exist supported by reputable medical doctors. The minister that married my now ex-husband and I recovered from stage 3 prostate cancer with one such diet. He said his skin turned orange in the process and was tired of eating the vegetable slurry, but it worked for him. No chemo or radiation, just the diet.

And unfortunately, chemo and radiation don't work for many cancers out there. My former mother-in-law didn't stand a chance with those therapies with her ovarian cancer.

I understand that people like to pop pills and inject themselves with stuff, but don't dismiss something just because it's something you can control yourself or you're not familiar with.

I wouldn't call them alternatives. Just augmentative to existing therapies. Skin turns color by nutrient content... as in carotenoid compounds in excess. Think carrots.

Or oranges. I had a friend who turned orange from eating loads of those every day

I do call it an alternative. The man went to a cancer specialist that recommended his diet plan as an alternative to chemo treatment. It was regimented and monitored carefully by that physician. And it cured him. And yes, I understand why his skin turned orange, and never stated that I didn't understand. It was a side-effect of the treatment, as I stated. Carrot juice, beet juice, etc were integral parts of the vegetable slurry, along with others depending on where he was in his treatment schedule. Edit: Additionally, it was explained to me that one of the goals of his treatment method was to produce a more alkaline environment in his body, which apparently was more conducive to the healthy cells over the cancer.

And to the people suggesting this be used in addition to chemo, he was instructed specifically that they shouldn't be done together. The two are used to rid the body of cancer in two extremely different fashions - one through boosting the body's immune system response (yes, your body can and does rid itself of cancerous cells) while the other puts toxic chemicals into your body to kill them off along with healthy cells.

I have not stated that this is the only method of treating cancers, either. But it is a legitimate choice to be made depending on your particular condition, and only under a doctor's close supervision.

Edited February 4, 2009 by Aubrey

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I'm not going to argue for the merits of this particular article, but some folks here are outright dismissing legitimate alternative therapies that exist. Some dramatic diet plans do exist supported by reputable medical doctors. The minister that married my now ex-husband and I recovered from stage 3 prostate cancer with one such diet. He said his skin turned orange in the process and was tired of eating the vegetable slurry, but it worked for him. No chemo or radiation, just the diet.

And unfortunately, chemo and radiation don't work for many cancers out there. My former mother-in-law didn't stand a chance with those therapies with her ovarian cancer.

I understand that people like to pop pills and inject themselves with stuff, but don't dismiss something just because it's something you can control yourself or you're not familiar with.

I wouldn't call them alternatives. Just augmentative to existing therapies. Skin turns color by nutrient content... as in carotenoid compounds in excess. Think carrots.

Or oranges. I had a friend who turned orange from eating loads of those every day

I do call it an alternative. The man went to a cancer specialist that recommended his diet plan as an alternative to chemo treatment. It was regimented and monitored carefully by that physician. And it cured him. And yes, I understand why his skin turned orange, and never stated that I didn't understand. It was a side-effect of the treatment, as I stated. Carrot juice, beet juice, etc were integral parts of the vegetable slurry, along with others depending on where he was in his treatment schedule. Edit: Additionally, it was explained to me that one of the goals of his treatment method was to produce a more alkaline environment in his body, which apparently was more conducive to the healthy cells over the cancer.

And to the people suggesting this be used in addition to chemo, he was instructed specifically that they shouldn't be done together. The two are used to rid the body of cancer in two extremely different fashions - one through boosting the body's immune system response (yes, your body can and does rid itself of cancerous cells) while the other puts toxic chemicals into your body to kill them off along with healthy cells.

I have not stated that this is the only method of treating cancers, either. But it is a legitimate choice to be made depending on your particular condition, and only under a doctor's close supervision.

Now it sounds serious.

Well said.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Certainly such choices should be made in concert with a doctor.

It shouldn't be a license for people to self-diagnose and self-medicate in the way that the OP article suggests.

Its a baaaaad article.

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It's not an "article". It's SPAM.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's not an "article". It's SPAM.

Wife: Have you got anything without SPAM?

Waitress: Well, there's SPAM egg sausage and SPAM, that's not got much SPAM in it.

Wife: I don't want any SPAM!

Man: Why can't she have egg bacon SPAM and sausage?

Wife: That's got SPAM in it!

Man: Hasn't got as much SPAM in it as SPAM egg sausage and SPAM, has it?

Vikings: SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM... Lovely SPAM! Wonderful SPAM!

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