PLEASE HELP US! K-1 QUESTIONS

[Sinergy 3]

Sinergy, why don't you just admit that you are wrong and apologize to everyone? You really are talking a lot of cr@p in this thread.

your funny

[English Muffin 59]

your funny

Did you mean you're funny?

[Sinergy 3]

your funny

Did you mean you're funny?

are you bored? if so im sure there is somewhere else you can be and try and insult ppl

Edited February 2, 2009 by Sinergy

[Kirsten UK 2]

OK, so what happens after he arrives on VW or B1, gets married, goes home and then when they later apply to go back to the States its discovered he got married on a trip he said was a holiday? I only ask to balance this debate...I have had personal experience, as I'm sure many others have, of being grilled and treated like a criminal at POE for my exact purpose of visit. Are you sure in advising them to be economical with the truth that you aren't endangering their future plans?

Nothing untoward would result. Yes, I'm sure. As long as the foreigner doesn't overstay, the fact that they married while visiting is of no more significance than that they visited a library or went to the movies because no special permission or prior disclosure is required for any of those activities.

The US is not the UK. In the UK, you wouldn't be able to accomplish the marriage at all without the appropriate visa. I presume there's a good reason for this, probably some old law conferring rights on a UK citizen's spouse, that predates immigration laws.

Thanks, seems like an easier way of going about things than the K1.........we should probably have done it that way instead

[*julez* 124]

OK, so what happens after he arrives on VW or B1, gets married, goes home and then when they later apply to go back to the States its discovered he got married on a trip he said was a holiday? I only ask to balance this debate...I have had personal experience, as I'm sure many others have, of being grilled and treated like a criminal at POE for my exact purpose of visit. Are you sure in advising them to be economical with the truth that you aren't endangering their future plans?

Nothing untoward would result. Yes, I'm sure. As long as the foreigner doesn't overstay, the fact that they married while visiting is of no more significance than that they visited a library or went to the movies because no special permission or prior disclosure is required for any of those activities.

The US is not the UK. In the UK, you wouldn't be able to accomplish the marriage at all without the appropriate visa. I presume there's a good reason for this, probably some old law conferring rights on a UK citizen's spouse, that predates immigration laws.

Thanks, seems like an easier way of going about things than the K1.........we should probably have done it that way instead

If the intent is to live in the US immediately, then marrying on the VWP is not an option, just so we're all clear. The K1 is clearly the appropriate visa in that case.

[pushbrk 13,084]

OK, so what happens after he arrives on VW or B1, gets married, goes home and then when they later apply to go back to the States its discovered he got married on a trip he said was a holiday? I only ask to balance this debate...I have had personal experience, as I'm sure many others have, of being grilled and treated like a criminal at POE for my exact purpose of visit. Are you sure in advising them to be economical with the truth that you aren't endangering their future plans?

Nothing untoward would result. Yes, I'm sure. As long as the foreigner doesn't overstay, the fact that they married while visiting is of no more significance than that they visited a library or went to the movies because no special permission or prior disclosure is required for any of those activities.

The US is not the UK. In the UK, you wouldn't be able to accomplish the marriage at all without the appropriate visa. I presume there's a good reason for this, probably some old law conferring rights on a UK citizen's spouse, that predates immigration laws.

Thanks, seems like an easier way of going about things than the K1.........we should probably have done it that way instead

If the intent is to live in the US immediately, then marrying on the VWP is not an option, just so we're all clear. The K1 is clearly the appropriate visa in that case.

That's right and when there IS NO INTENT to live in the US immediately, it's probably a poor choice as in two other threads begun today.

[morocco4ever 63]

What's most upsetting about this thread is that accurate information was provided very early on in this thread, and yet there are two posters who are intent on trying to discredit that information by derailing this thread with misinformation, coupled with a healthy dose of fearmongering.

Let's face it, the only reason this is happening is because some people just don't like pushbrk. Heck, I don't really like the guy. BUT, in this case his advice was spot on.

It IS perfectly legal to enter the US on the VWP or Tourist Visa, for the purpose of marriage, so long as there is no intent to immigrate. Furthermore, offering advice to not lie, but speak the truth in general is not wrong, nor a violation of TOS. The OP was never once told to lie.

I think it's time for you two naysayers to take the roadshow somewhere else. You're clearly adding nothing of value to this thread.

Naysayer? Odd, I thought I was giving the OP another perspective on the issue, rather than to blow sunshine up his a$$ and tell him what he wants to hear, and that it won't be a problem.

Yes, your right, not illegal, and I never said it was did I? If I did would you kindly point it out? But has anyone stopped and thought about the interview? Don't you think they will question why, when they state at the POE, that it was just for pleasure, and all of a sudden there is a marriage, that it could raise eyebrows as to the intentions of the couple? What I am suggesting is to think through the possible problems down the road, not just want he wants for the moment.

Think of it this way. The purpose of the interviewer at the consulate is not to prove that a relationship is bonafide, but rather fraudulent. Would you want the fact that you withheld your true intent at the POE hanging over your head? They might wonder what else you are withholding, or perhaps it may never even be brought up. But that fear will be there won't it. I know that if I was the interviewer, and I had this information, I would be very wary of his morality.

As I stated, everyone is free to think as they want, and everyone is free to choose their own path. All I am suggesting is the possible consequences to their actions.

[morocco4ever 63]

Oh yes, and I would like to apologize that people here tend to find my feelings on the importance of honesty to be offensive.

[Sinergy 3]

Im not going to apologize for my statements, but will as morroco4ever did for the ppl who find my importance for honesty as an attack on a certain member. I believe that if you hide information like that, with the intent to marry at the POE, how will you explain that in the interview. Not only that, putting it right out on the thread what to say at the POE so not to be denied entry for the true intent. How many new members will read that and think...oh #######, screw the K1, screw the K3....come over on the visitor visa....give a not true statement of intent at the POE, then go live in the SO's country and file DCF. Come interview time, when it shows ....entered USA...married a few days or weeks later, and then possibly denied...then what? its going to come back onto "well someone on VJ told me to do it".

[pushbrk 13,084]

What's most upsetting about this thread is that accurate information was provided very early on in this thread, and yet there are two posters who are intent on trying to discredit that information by derailing this thread with misinformation, coupled with a healthy dose of fearmongering.

Let's face it, the only reason this is happening is because some people just don't like pushbrk. Heck, I don't really like the guy. BUT, in this case his advice was spot on.

It IS perfectly legal to enter the US on the VWP or Tourist Visa, for the purpose of marriage, so long as there is no intent to immigrate. Furthermore, offering advice to not lie, but speak the truth in general is not wrong, nor a violation of TOS. The OP was never once told to lie.

I think it's time for you two naysayers to take the roadshow somewhere else. You're clearly adding nothing of value to this thread.

Naysayer? Odd, I thought I was giving the OP another perspective on the issue, rather than to blow sunshine up his a$$ and tell him what he wants to hear, and that it won't be a problem.

Yes, your right, not illegal, and I never said it was did I? If I did would you kindly point it out? But has anyone stopped and thought about the interview? Don't you think they will question why, when they state at the POE, that it was just for pleasure, and all of a sudden there is a marriage, that it could raise eyebrows as to the intentions of the couple? What I am suggesting is to think through the possible problems down the road, not just want he wants for the moment.

Think of it this way. The purpose of the interviewer at the consulate is not to prove that a relationship is bonafide, but rather fraudulent. Would you want the fact that you withheld your true intent at the POE hanging over your head? They might wonder what else you are withholding, or perhaps it may never even be brought up. But that fear will be there won't it. I know that if I was the interviewer, and I had this information, I would be very wary of his morality.

As I stated, everyone is free to think as they want, and everyone is free to choose their own path. All I am suggesting is the possible consequences to their actions.

No, it won't raise eyebrows, at least not for any longer than it takes to see the foreigner left the USA in time, without attempting to adjust status. No information of importance to the immigration process is being withheld by stating a trip that includes a wedding is for "pleasure" as long as no immigration is attempted during the visit. The direct comparison to omitting mention of a trip to the library, seeing a movie, or taking a nice walk on the beach is perfectly valid. As long as none of your planned activities require prior permission or a special visa, any honest general answer is PERFECTLY ok. One is also not required to disclose they expect to exceed the speed limit in their rental car.

[English Muffin 59]

Im not going to apologize for my statements, but will as morroco4ever did for the ppl who find my importance for honesty as an attack on a certain member. I believe that if you hide information like that, with the intent to marry at the POE, how will you explain that in the interview. Not only that, putting it right out on the thread what to say at the POE so not to be denied entry for the true intent. How many new members will read that and think...oh #######, screw the K1, screw the K3....come over on the visitor visa....give a not true statement of intent at the POE, then go live in the SO's country and file DCF. Come interview time, when it shows ....entered USA...married a few days or weeks later, and then possibly denied...then what? its going to come back onto "well someone on VJ told me to do it".

Still talking cr@p I see.

[Jenn! 918]

well then lets just give way with the K visas

I don't understand your meaning. As I understand it, the OP now intends to file DCF.

it was for a remark about "anyone can come in on a tourist visa and just get married"

The only problem is that anyone can... destination weddings is quite a tourism business not only around the world but in the USA as well...

Exactly. And since they are so common, I also don't see a need to omit this detail at POE.

That said, I would like to ask that people still try and be respectful of each other, even when they disagree. I don't believe that any advice given in this thread has been against the TOS, even though it might not be what I would advise personally.

[Sinergy 3]

Im not going to apologize for my statements, but will as morroco4ever did for the ppl who find my importance for honesty as an attack on a certain member. I believe that if you hide information like that, with the intent to marry at the POE, how will you explain that in the interview. Not only that, putting it right out on the thread what to say at the POE so not to be denied entry for the true intent. How many new members will read that and think...oh #######, screw the K1, screw the K3....come over on the visitor visa....give a not true statement of intent at the POE, then go live in the SO's country and file DCF. Come interview time, when it shows ....entered USA...married a few days or weeks later, and then possibly denied...then what? its going to come back onto "well someone on VJ told me to do it".

Still talking cr@p I see.

Still attacking me for no apparent reason i see

You never post on K1...and when you do its an attack....hmmm i think you can find better things to do

[payxibka 10,047]

Yes, your right, not illegal, and I never said it was did I? If I did would you kindly point it out? But has anyone stopped and thought about the interview? Don't you think they will question why, when they state at the POE, that it was just for pleasure, and all of a sudden there is a marriage, that it could raise eyebrows as to the intentions of the couple? What I am suggesting is to think through the possible problems down the road, not just want he wants for the moment.

Think of it this way. The purpose of the interviewer at the consulate is not to prove that a relationship is bonafide, but rather fraudulent. Would you want the fact that you withheld your true intent at the POE hanging over your head? They might wonder what else you are withholding, or perhaps it may never even be brought up. But that fear will be there won't it. I know that if I was the interviewer, and I had this information, I would be very wary of his morality.

The OP indicated they want to marry and then live abroad for about two years, so what interview are you referring to that the OP will have?

Edited February 2, 2009 by payxibka

[pushbrk 13,084]

Im not going to apologize for my statements, but will as morroco4ever did for the ppl who find my importance for honesty as an attack on a certain member. I believe that if you hide information like that, with the intent to marry at the POE, how will you explain that in the interview. Not only that, putting it right out on the thread what to say at the POE so not to be denied entry for the true intent. How many new members will read that and think...oh #######, screw the K1, screw the K3....come over on the visitor visa....give a not true statement of intent at the POE, then go live in the SO's country and file DCF. Come interview time, when it shows ....entered USA...married a few days or weeks later, and then possibly denied...then what? its going to come back onto "well someone on VJ told me to do it".

If a CBP officer believes the true intent is to marry and leave, entry is not denied. What is being avoided is the possibility the true intent will not be believed, resulting in unjustly and incorrectly being denied entry.

Nobody here has suggested giving a "not true statement of intent" at the POE. On the contrary, all have been advised to give a truthful answer, to choose from one of many truthful answers. CBP officers are asking the question to determine if the purpose is applicable to the entry method. So, if you are on the VWP and say, you're here to start school at Florida State, no go. If on a tourist visa and you say you're starting your new job at Microsoft, no go. If you say "tourist" and they find drugs on you, no go. You get the picture. If you say, I'm coming to get married an go back to the UK, you'll need to answer some more questions and provide some evidence for an officer to apply his own subjective judgment to, risking the possibility that you may unjustly and incorrectly be denied entry. It's wiser to avoid that, if possible by giving a general but truthful answer to the question.

Visa interviews are conducted abroad, so if you're in one, it's already clear you didn't try to stay and adjust status. They may verify entry and exit dates to make sure there was no overstay for any visit including the one during which a marriage took place but if in order, no problem. Consular officers understand the law. There will be no wagging of fingers or asking, "Did you say you were getting married at the POE?" because the answer doesn't matter.