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Question pushbrk, does US customs tend to question more if you put an actual address instead of a hotel/inn? I always say I'm going to visit a boyfriend, friends, seeing the sites, and shopping. And yes, this is so much like a game. >_<

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What I have learned for this thread. Withholding information is not necessarily lying, and is moral.

Example:

I have a business. I make $50,000.00 in cash sells, the remaining in checks. If I claim the money received in checks, but withhold the information on the cash sales, this is neither lying nor immoral.

I am also sure that if the officer at the POE knew you were withholding this information as well, as long as you have an answer, it would be perfectly acceptable to him/her as well.

I am sure glad I have VJ to come to keep me in check. :whistle:

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With the guy being a member of the armed forces, his ties to his home country are pretty secure so I would imagine even if he was to say he was entering the US to get married before returning to his military unit the chances are very slim that he would be denied entry.

There is absolutely no problem with coming to the US to get married as has been said many, many times and it is of course perfectly legal. What is illegal is to come to the US planning on getting married and then staying to adjust status to become a legal permanent resident. That is only legal IF one enters the US with absolutely no intention of getting married and the marriage just comes about as a natural course of events that take place AFTER entering the US. That is obviously not going to happen in this case because of the non USC's military ties so it's very hard to see that the OP's partner will have any problems or difficulties on this score.

So, if you want to get married sooner rather than later, get it organized and good luck to you guys and a safe tour of duty to the OP's partner.

We're not planning to stay in the US after we wed. We are simply getting married here to avoid breaking my family's heart.

I don't want to lie to anyone. Neither one of us do. We just want me to be able to live on base housing with him while he is stationed overseas.

We had heard that we might be able to get married first and then file the paperwork later, but we were unsure about how reliable the information we were getting was, so I decided to ask you guys because you have all been through this kind of situation before.

Seriously, I can not thank you all enough for taking the time to read my question and offer your wisdom. Xxx

Sincerely,

Candi

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What I have learned for this thread. Withholding information is not necessarily lying, and is moral.

Example:

I have a business. I make $50,000.00 in cash sells, the remaining in checks. If I claim the money received in checks, but withhold the information on the cash sales, this is neither lying nor immoral.

I am also sure that if the officer at the POE knew you were withholding this information as well, as long as you have an answer, it would be perfectly acceptable to him/her as well.

I am sure glad I have VJ to come to keep me in check. :whistle:

Then you learned poorly.

If you are asked to state revenue or income it's dishonest to omit any revenue or income.

If you are asked for a detailed itinerary of your US visit and you omit "marriage" as an itinerary item, that's dishonest.

If you are asked what you do for a living and you answer, "I'm in sales." but don't mention (insert least favorite product or service here) that's honest.

If you are asked "purpose of visit?" and you provide a general answer like "visiting friends and family" and don't mention that for one hour you'll be attending your own wedding, that's just as honest.

If as an answer to the same question, you give the same answer but omit, "visiting an illegal brothel" or "going to watch a dog fight" are on your itinerary, that's honest too even though those activities would be illegal.

Entering the US to get married is legal if you also leave before your granted stay expires. Giving answers that avoid additional questions that could cause problems even though your intentions are legal, is "honest".

Nobody has suggested anybody lie. On the contrary, the direct statement was, "general truth, no lies".

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With the guy being a member of the armed forces, his ties to his home country are pretty secure so I would imagine even if he was to say he was entering the US to get married before returning to his military unit the chances are very slim that he would be denied entry.

There is absolutely no problem with coming to the US to get married as has been said many, many times and it is of course perfectly legal. What is illegal is to come to the US planning on getting married and then staying to adjust status to become a legal permanent resident. That is only legal IF one enters the US with absolutely no intention of getting married and the marriage just comes about as a natural course of events that take place AFTER entering the US. That is obviously not going to happen in this case because of the non USC's military ties so it's very hard to see that the OP's partner will have any problems or difficulties on this score.

So, if you want to get married sooner rather than later, get it organized and good luck to you guys and a safe tour of duty to the OP's partner.

We're not planning to stay in the US after we wed. We are simply getting married here to avoid breaking my family's heart.

I don't want to lie to anyone. Neither one of us do. We just want me to be able to live on base housing with him while he is stationed overseas.

We had heard that we might be able to get married first and then file the paperwork later, but we were unsure about how reliable the information we were getting was, so I decided to ask you guys because you have all been through this kind of situation before.

Seriously, I can not thank you all enough for taking the time to read my question and offer your wisdom. Xxx

Sincerely,

Candi

And you'll be fine, even if more specific questions are asked, just be prepared to answer truthfully and show evidence of his active duty status and perhaps the arrangements that have been made for you to live on base with him abroad. Active duty military with housing arrangements is going to satisfy any CBP agent that the presumption of immigrant intent doesn't apply in this case.

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With the guy being a member of the armed forces, his ties to his home country are pretty secure so I would imagine even if he was to say he was entering the US to get married before returning to his military unit the chances are very slim that he would be denied entry.

There is absolutely no problem with coming to the US to get married as has been said many, many times and it is of course perfectly legal. What is illegal is to come to the US planning on getting married and then staying to adjust status to become a legal permanent resident. That is only legal IF one enters the US with absolutely no intention of getting married and the marriage just comes about as a natural course of events that take place AFTER entering the US. That is obviously not going to happen in this case because of the non USC's military ties so it's very hard to see that the OP's partner will have any problems or difficulties on this score.

So, if you want to get married sooner rather than later, get it organized and good luck to you guys and a safe tour of duty to the OP's partner.

We're not planning to stay in the US after we wed. We are simply getting married here to avoid breaking my family's heart.

I don't want to lie to anyone. Neither one of us do. We just want me to be able to live on base housing with him while he is stationed overseas.

We had heard that we might be able to get married first and then file the paperwork later, but we were unsure about how reliable the information we were getting was, so I decided to ask you guys because you have all been through this kind of situation before.

Seriously, I can not thank you all enough for taking the time to read my question and offer your wisdom. Xxx

Sincerely,

Candi

And you'll be fine, even if more specific questions are asked, just be prepared to answer truthfully and show evidence of his active duty status and perhaps the arrangements that have been made for you to live on base with him abroad. Active duty military with housing arrangements is going to satisfy any CBP agent that the presumption of immigrant intent doesn't apply in this case.

Follow this guide for visits.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;page=k1visit

She isn't going to be asked anything. All questions are asked at POE BEFORE entry into the US. The USC will be obliviously waiting on the US side of the barrier hoping her fiance doesn't run into any problems. I am glad to see however, that you noticed that the OP's significant other is currently serving in the military and as such is not going to be raising red flags at POE. The non USC's ties to their home country are the most important evidence of intent in these situatins. For the most part having proof of a permanent job with a date one is due back to work perhaps a letter from one's manager, owning a home etc are suffient in and of themselves, however, being in the armed forces one is not in a position to just 'change one's mind' which will pretty much seal the deal on this occasion.

Good luck with your journey Candi, it can be a long one, but ultimately it will be very rewarding :)

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pushbrk you blantenly told the person to lie at the POE...and to make sure NOT to tell the POE the real reasons for being in the US. This is giving bad info on VJ, this is advising someone or anyone its ok to come into the US with intent to marry, as long as you dont tell the person at the POE about it. Its bad advising on our part at VJ

I mean you clearly said..."Now, when he arrives at the port of entry, his purpose is to visit friends and family, not to "get married". The wedding is just one item on the agenda. For example the same answer works when the primary purpose is to "go to Disnyworld". No sense raising flags that will get entry denied. General truth, no lies."

I could care less what the OP and her SO are planning to do...never did...what i have a prob with is you plainly telling someone to make sure they come up with some hairbrained story as to why they are coming into the US if asked...and its improper advising to give on VJ.

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pushbrk you blantenly told the person to lie at the POE...and to make sure NOT to tell the POE the real reasons for being in the US. This is giving bad info on VJ, this is advising someone or anyone its ok to come into the US with intent to marry, as long as you dont tell the person at the POE about it. Its bad advising on our part at VJ

I mean you clearly said..."Now, when he arrives at the port of entry, his purpose is to visit friends and family, not to "get married". The wedding is just one item on the agenda. For example the same answer works when the primary purpose is to "go to Disnyworld". No sense raising flags that will get entry denied. General truth, no lies."

I could care less what the OP and her SO are planning to do...never did...what i have a prob with is you plainly telling someone to make sure they come up with some hairbrained story as to why they are coming into the US if asked...and its improper advising to give on VJ.

You're out of your mind. I explicitly said not to lie. You quoted it yourself. The man WILL be visiting friends and family and there are multiple other true answers that can be given.

See bold and larger above. Then stop humping my cyberleg.

With the guy being a member of the armed forces, his ties to his home country are pretty secure so I would imagine even if he was to say he was entering the US to get married before returning to his military unit the chances are very slim that he would be denied entry.

There is absolutely no problem with coming to the US to get married as has been said many, many times and it is of course perfectly legal. What is illegal is to come to the US planning on getting married and then staying to adjust status to become a legal permanent resident. That is only legal IF one enters the US with absolutely no intention of getting married and the marriage just comes about as a natural course of events that take place AFTER entering the US. That is obviously not going to happen in this case because of the non USC's military ties so it's very hard to see that the OP's partner will have any problems or difficulties on this score.

So, if you want to get married sooner rather than later, get it organized and good luck to you guys and a safe tour of duty to the OP's partner.

We're not planning to stay in the US after we wed. We are simply getting married here to avoid breaking my family's heart.

I don't want to lie to anyone. Neither one of us do. We just want me to be able to live on base housing with him while he is stationed overseas.

We had heard that we might be able to get married first and then file the paperwork later, but we were unsure about how reliable the information we were getting was, so I decided to ask you guys because you have all been through this kind of situation before.

Seriously, I can not thank you all enough for taking the time to read my question and offer your wisdom. Xxx

Sincerely,

Candi

And you'll be fine, even if more specific questions are asked, just be prepared to answer truthfully and show evidence of his active duty status and perhaps the arrangements that have been made for you to live on base with him abroad. Active duty military with housing arrangements is going to satisfy any CBP agent that the presumption of immigrant intent doesn't apply in this case.

Follow this guide for visits.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;page=k1visit

She isn't going to be asked anything. All questions are asked at POE BEFORE entry into the US. The USC will be obliviously waiting on the US side of the barrier hoping her fiance doesn't run into any problems. I am glad to see however, that you noticed that the OP's significant other is currently serving in the military and as such is not going to be raising red flags at POE. The non USC's ties to their home country are the most important evidence of intent in these situatins. For the most part having proof of a permanent job with a date one is due back to work perhaps a letter from one's manager, owning a home etc are suffient in and of themselves, however, being in the armed forces one is not in a position to just 'change one's mind' which will pretty much seal the deal on this occasion.

Good luck with your journey Candi, it can be a long one, but ultimately it will be very rewarding :)

Of course the "you" is the foreigner. Has everybody gone completely insane today?

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People.

pushbrk is 100% correct.

It is NOT fraud to come to the US on a tourist visa to marry. It is also not fraud to come to the US on a tourist visa to visit the Public Library. We live in a country where a lot of people come over for fraudulent reasons, and that's why "I came to marry" is a sure way to get you denied entry. The POE has no way of knowing if there is fraudulent intent or not. If the OP says they are planning to file the proper way, then this is the BEST way to do what they're planning to do. Marrying in the US on a tourist visa is not fraud, and not stating that you are planning to marry is also not fraud.

If pushbrk were to recommend that the OP not tell the POE that they were intending to visit a Public Library, he is not encouraging them to lie to the POE, and it's not Visa Fraud. Getting married is no more visa fraud than visiting the Public Library, whether you omit this information or not.

This is valid, accurate information, it is 100% legal, and people do it all the time. Let's stop muddying the waters here, there is absolutely NO ill intent on either the part of the OP or pushbrk. These people want to get married in the US and file legally, so why not congratulate them and wish them well.

To the OP: Listen to pushbrk, and congratulations on your decision to marry. Best of luck to you in the future. :)

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Not only is it possible to do this, I have actually done it myself. Bruce and I went over on holiday to visit my parents, his mum came too. At the POE, they asked him the purpose of his visit. He said, my mum and I are visiting my partner's family for the Christmas season. (True.) They asked where I was, and where I lived -- he told them that I lived with him in London, I was in the baggage reclaim right now, and he and I would be going back together in a month. (All true.) No mention of fiancees or weddings because frankly they were incidental. We got married. We left. We did DCF. We told USCIS when we were filing that we got married in Vermont. Did we have any problems? Not one.

Mox and pushbrk are right on this one. It is not fraud to do this, but to mention it specifically when one of the intended spouses is a USC is to invite trouble -- the CBP would be right to ask questions in this situation. Frankly this is all a lot of hoo-ha over a simple issue. It isn't lying, it is being general about your plans. When people come on holiday, they say so. That is all this is. The OP should just follow through with the plans. Not a biggie. And you'll find DCF a blissfully easy and short experience -- trust me. Good luck! :star:

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Who would want to put their marriage plans in the hands of an underpaid, overworked person at the POE? The guy that handled my fiances' entrance was nice but...he shorted her a week on her visa. Now come on, if you can't count on someone to turn the little rubber thingy on the stamp, can you count on them to know what to do in this situation.

things that would say "don't do this!" to me would be short time knowing each other. Two years sounds like you guys know each other.

Most people see marriage + tourist visa = rushed marriage = divorce in a short time. I don't think this is anywhere close to this situation.

Isn't the question actually, do you intend visa fraud? If they would ask that, they could give the whoed truth. But, they aren't going to parse the question in that manner, are they?

good luck! Glad to see good news from Iraq.

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just to add one thing though - when I was entering the US for the first time, just for a visit, I was specifically asked 'are you planning to get married while you're here?' I could truthfully answer 'no'; we weren't even engaged then... but just be aware that you may get more specific questions, at which point (if it happens, it's not a given) you will still need to be truthful, and that would be the point at which it would be great to have ready evidence of the fiance's deployment status, etc etc :)

congratulations, OP, and all the best with it! :star:

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Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Ireland
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To the OP:

Just to reiterate what some other posters have said. Even if your FI is asked if he's getting married and says yes, I think there's a good chance he'll get through as long as he brings his military papers.

From personal experience. I went to the Las Vegas wedding of a UK cop and a Las Vegas native who after the wedding were heading back to the UK. The UK guy didn't know anything about immigration and POE so when asked the purpose of his visit said ' to get married to my US fiance' and was straight away taken away for further questioning. The interview went on quite a while until they asked him his job. He told them, showed them his cop card, and they said congratulations and sent him on his way.

Obviously it would be nicer if they didn't have to question him further, but the fact that him staying in the states would break his military orders I imagine would be fairly persuasive proof.

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Romania
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hey guys,

can someone help me with the K-1?

I just do not know when somebody from USCIS touch my documents?

my NOA1 is from september,10,2008 and I am still waiting for NOA2....how do I know when they look /touch my docs?

thanks

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People.

pushbrk is 100% correct.

It is NOT fraud to come to the US on a tourist visa to marry. It is also not fraud to come to the US on a tourist visa to visit the Public Library. We live in a country where a lot of people come over for fraudulent reasons, and that's why "I came to marry" is a sure way to get you denied entry. The POE has no way of knowing if there is fraudulent intent or not. If the OP says they are planning to file the proper way, then this is the BEST way to do what they're planning to do. Marrying in the US on a tourist visa is not fraud, and not stating that you are planning to marry is also not fraud.

If pushbrk were to recommend that the OP not tell the POE that they were intending to visit a Public Library, he is not encouraging them to lie to the POE, and it's not Visa Fraud. Getting married is no more visa fraud than visiting the Public Library, whether you omit this information or not.

This is valid, accurate information, it is 100% legal, and people do it all the time. Let's stop muddying the waters here, there is absolutely NO ill intent on either the part of the OP or pushbrk. These people want to get married in the US and file legally, so why not congratulate them and wish them well.

To the OP: Listen to pushbrk, and congratulations on your decision to marry. Best of luck to you in the future. :)

well then lets just give way with the K visas :blink:

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