SAWASDEE 3 (2009 Thai thread restarted)

[rsn 135]

rsn I just saw your timeline and felt the pain of being slapped around by the VSC. It was bound to happen sooner or later I just hope I can get to sleep now...

I'm fairly convinced our good luck will run out soon. Life seems to be peaks and valleys. I guess I'm headed for a valley? Maybe your peak is around the corner.

[rsn 135]

They do not allow electronic media inside the embassy. You have to print them.

Wow, that stinks... Oh well, I am going to kill a lot of trees! Thanks for your help!

I was thinking the same thing. I estimate that my proof of relationship packet will exceed 1000 pages (after going over my evidence today). This may be considered going overboard by some, but I don't want to take any chances.

I think that is going overboard, personally. Note that we have yet to have our interview, so I'm hardly the one to be giving 'expert' advice.

However from what I gather it's the quality of the evidence much moreso than the quantity that will get you through smoothly.

Have sufficient evidence of _mutual_ and _bidirectional_ communication, showing that you both initiate and respond to each other in your chosen communication medium. Having 1000 pages in which all contact is initiated by one party would be less valuable than 10 pages showing both parties equally participative. That's my understanding, at any rate.

I have the following evidence:

• many, many pages of emails with threads initiated by me and by her (about 50% each way).
• about 100 photos of the two of us
• phone logs showing me contacting her for almost every month since we met
• Only recent phone logs that show her calling me (this month and next month). She would call and hang up, now she stays on the line a few minutes so we can log her contacting me.
• A few months of her sending text messages to an email address that forwards to my phone (but no corresponding message content from me, no way I can get my hands on this)
• Phone bills from my phone company that show me sending text messages to her for every month since we met (no content, unable to get this and also no way for me to get proof that she sent text messages to my phone)
• Printouts from her phone for this month and next showing content of text messages she sent me and received from me
• Actual photos of text messages I sent to her and received from her for this month and next (no other way to get this data from my lame old phone)
• receipts showing things she bought for me and things I bought for her
• items her relatives got for me (some cards, etc)
• a few hotel receipts with both our names
• a pair of domestic plane tickets with both our names
• all travel-related documentation showing my trips to visit her
• IM chat logs for some of last month, this month, and next month
• Screenshots of webcam sessions for some of last month, this month, and next month

Once again, might be going overboard, but this sounds like quality proof to me.

I think you're right on both scores - (a) it's quality proof (b ) it's a little (??) overdone

The former is what really counts. The latter can't hurt. If you sleep better at night killing your forest of trees, more power to ya!

I'm definitely in paranoid mode. When I get over it, I'll probably trim down the # of pages I plan on printing out/submitting.

[rsn 135]

rsn I just saw your timeline and felt the pain of being slapped around by the VSC. It was bound to happen sooner or later I just hope I can get to sleep now...

Funny, I didn't have trouble sleeping until after I got my NOA2.

[paintbrush 0]

rsn I just saw your timeline and felt the pain of being slapped around by the VSC. It was bound to happen sooner or later I just hope I can get to sleep now...

Funny, I didn't have trouble sleeping until after I got my NOA2.

rsn i agree with above post .We just through our interview on the 31st and i believe other than the proof

of relationship you show at interview they have already made a decision months ago..we sent in all proofs of relationship

emails,photos,plane tickets etc with the packages when they asked..in the last package they asked agian ,i got together msn chat

logs going back 15 months average talk 15 hours a month, phone records .pictures etc agian emails where maybe 150 pages

at the most..split half and half (hers and mine)

rsn RELAX TAKE DEEP BREATH we were freaked out by all this talk how hard this guy was on and on,But

ricker told me if everything is in order nothing to worry about and he was right.THis is what going to happen when you get to interview your going to go in and she going to hand package to window.the girl at counter going to take and open in front of her

making sure everything on check list is there,,so go over and over this list make sure you have everything,and have it in the order

the asked,its with the letter they will send you for interview.At the interview anywhere from right away to all day ours took

4 hours before we were called.the interviewer and two thai girls stand there the man starts off asking the basic questions

where you met and how many times i come to see and what do i doing for living ,where i live etc ..than he looks through

emails and text messages while he asks what we talk about when we chat,,(this is why i feel they already made up there mind

the just randomly look through emails,text,,phone records,spending about 15 at the most looking )the thai girls flip through

photo album more like she was using it to cool her self off than to really be looking at the pics.when asked a question about

your relationship have your fiancee go on and on about the answer.Thats what mine did and he finally told her ok enough..(haha)

the whole interview took 45 minutes.

we were denied because of a problem we have with her daughters father and we are trying to fix and take

back as fast as we can.the reason I feel this guy is nice is because of course we where upset with the denial we figured

we would have a problem with this from the start the guy had the thai girls call my fiancee later in the day and say she needs to come back in redo finger prints.When she got there the next day he said he was glad to see her again and that the finger prints

was not the only reason. he wanted to reasure her that he was going to approve the visa if we can get the father issue fixed.

so that was nice he didnt have to say anything really but i feel he's a kind soul doing a rough job,.

rsn i think you have plenty of emails .text,,etc does hurt to throw everything in there you can but dont worry you have enough!!!!!! I think what I would do is you two go over and over your bio stuff make sure she knows everything about you she can

work..job,address,home town,family these are also important and normal stuff a fiancee should know and they also ask!

good luck

chris

[paintbrush 0]

rsn I just saw your timeline and felt the pain of being slapped around by the VSC. It was bound to happen sooner or later I just hope I can get to sleep now...

Funny, I didn't have trouble sleeping until after I got my NOA2.

just wanted also say rsn they have 2.5 million applications this year up from 1.5 milion last year

so they are over loaded with cases iam sure,they said they where trying to move people around to lessen the case loads.

but if they sent your pack of to bkk .about 2 months you get your pack for the 134 ,and list of more things you need to fill

out .than about 2 month later you get phone call and last pack with medical forms and another list of thinks to bring.

to inteview when they call they will give date of interivew over phone.

good luck chris

[Kang Lang 7]

Hello Everyone

It has been a while since we last posted but I read the posts almost everyday and it looks like everyone's journey is moving along. All is well with us and we are very happy together.

We received our 2 year Green Card yesterday!!

The biometrics was taken late December and we received a notice in January that our case was transfered to California.

We received AP and EAD in February and Friday April 3 we received the "Welcome to USA" letter and the Green Card showed up Saturday April 4. No interview...My wife is very excited and happy.

Hang in there....sometimes things move very slowly and then you top that hill and coast for a while.

Best of luck to all

George and Joom

congrats and enjoy 21 months free from uscis!

[*Robert* 2]

They do not allow electronic media inside the embassy. You have to print them.

Wow, that stinks... Oh well, I am going to kill a lot of trees! Thanks for your help!

I was thinking the same thing. I estimate that my proof of relationship packet will exceed 1000 pages (after going over my evidence today). This may be considered going overboard by some, but I don't want to take any chances.

rsn, with all due respect; not wanting to take chances is one thing, overburdening the CO is another.

[*Robert* 2]

Hello Everyone

We received our 2 year Green Card yesterday!!

congrats and enjoy 21 months free from uscis!

There's no such thing as freedom from the USCIS until the day you have your Naturalization certificate is in hand. Just because you get your 2 year GC doesn't mean you stop collecting evidence for the next step in the process.

[rsn 135]

They do not allow electronic media inside the embassy. You have to print them.

Wow, that stinks... Oh well, I am going to kill a lot of trees! Thanks for your help!

I was thinking the same thing. I estimate that my proof of relationship packet will exceed 1000 pages (after going over my evidence today). This may be considered going overboard by some, but I don't want to take any chances.

rsn, with all due respect; not wanting to take chances is one thing, overburdening the CO is another.

I don't see how the amount of evidence is proportional to the burden on the CO.

[rsn 135]

rsn I just saw your timeline and felt the pain of being slapped around by the VSC. It was bound to happen sooner or later I just hope I can get to sleep now...

Funny, I didn't have trouble sleeping until after I got my NOA2.

rsn i agree with above post .We just through our interview on the 31st and i believe other than the proof

of relationship you show at interview they have already made a decision months ago..we sent in all proofs of relationship

emails,photos,plane tickets etc with the packages when they asked..in the last package they asked agian ,i got together msn chat

logs going back 15 months average talk 15 hours a month, phone records .pictures etc agian emails where maybe 150 pages

at the most..split half and half (hers and mine)

rsn RELAX TAKE DEEP BREATH we were freaked out by all this talk how hard this guy was on and on,But

ricker told me if everything is in order nothing to worry about and he was right.THis is what going to happen when you get to interview your going to go in and she going to hand package to window.the girl at counter going to take and open in front of her

making sure everything on check list is there,,so go over and over this list make sure you have everything,and have it in the order

the asked,its with the letter they will send you for interview.At the interview anywhere from right away to all day ours took

4 hours before we were called.the interviewer and two thai girls stand there the man starts off asking the basic questions

where you met and how many times i come to see and what do i doing for living ,where i live etc ..than he looks through

emails and text messages while he asks what we talk about when we chat,,(this is why i feel they already made up there mind

the just randomly look through emails,text,,phone records,spending about 15 at the most looking )the thai girls flip through

photo album more like she was using it to cool her self off than to really be looking at the pics.when asked a question about

your relationship have your fiancee go on and on about the answer.Thats what mine did and he finally told her ok enough..(haha)

the whole interview took 45 minutes.

we were denied because of a problem we have with her daughters father and we are trying to fix and take

back as fast as we can.the reason I feel this guy is nice is because of course we where upset with the denial we figured

we would have a problem with this from the start the guy had the thai girls call my fiancee later in the day and say she needs to come back in redo finger prints.When she got there the next day he said he was glad to see her again and that the finger prints

was not the only reason. he wanted to reasure her that he was going to approve the visa if we can get the father issue fixed.

so that was nice he didnt have to say anything really but i feel he's a kind soul doing a rough job,.

rsn i think you have plenty of emails .text,,etc does hurt to throw everything in there you can but dont worry you have enough!!!!!! I think what I would do is you two go over and over your bio stuff make sure she knows everything about you she can

work..job,address,home town,family these are also important and normal stuff a fiancee should know and they also ask!

good luck

chris

Thanks for taking the time to post this. It probably is severe overkill to submit 1000 pages of evidence, so after some thought and considering comments from others such as yourself on VJ, I'm going to come up with a much more reasonable number of pages of evidence (I think). As far as bio stuff, I went over a bunch of questions with my fiancee, and I was surprised with her answers. She knew a bunch of stuff I didn't expect her to remember/know about me. She even remembers my middle name. Aside from my parents, no one remembers or can pronounce my middle name! I hope you and your SO get your approval soon. Best of luck to you two, I'll keep you in my thoughts. Thanks again for your input Chris.

Edit: I didn't respond earlier because for some reason Gmail marked this as spam. Weird.

Edited April 6, 2009 by rsn

[dvddvd 0]

rsn I just saw your timeline and felt the pain of being slapped around by the VSC. It was bound to happen sooner or later I just hope I can get to sleep now...

Funny, I didn't have trouble sleeping until after I got my NOA2.

rsn i agree with above post .We just through our interview on the 31st and i believe other than the proof

of relationship you show at interview they have already made a decision months ago..we sent in all proofs of relationship

emails,photos,plane tickets etc with the packages when they asked..in the last package they asked agian ,i got together msn chat

logs going back 15 months average talk 15 hours a month, phone records .pictures etc agian emails where maybe 150 pages

at the most..split half and half (hers and mine)

rsn RELAX TAKE DEEP BREATH we were freaked out by all this talk how hard this guy was on and on,But

ricker told me if everything is in order nothing to worry about and he was right.THis is what going to happen when you get to interview your going to go in and she going to hand package to window.the girl at counter going to take and open in front of her

making sure everything on check list is there,,so go over and over this list make sure you have everything,and have it in the order

the asked,its with the letter they will send you for interview.At the interview anywhere from right away to all day ours took

4 hours before we were called.the interviewer and two thai girls stand there the man starts off asking the basic questions

where you met and how many times i come to see and what do i doing for living ,where i live etc ..than he looks through

emails and text messages while he asks what we talk about when we chat,,(this is why i feel they already made up there mind

the just randomly look through emails,text,,phone records,spending about 15 at the most looking )the thai girls flip through

photo album more like she was using it to cool her self off than to really be looking at the pics.when asked a question about

your relationship have your fiancee go on and on about the answer.Thats what mine did and he finally told her ok enough..(haha)

the whole interview took 45 minutes.

we were denied because of a problem we have with her daughters father and we are trying to fix and take

back as fast as we can.the reason I feel this guy is nice is because of course we where upset with the denial we figured

we would have a problem with this from the start the guy had the thai girls call my fiancee later in the day and say she needs to come back in redo finger prints.When she got there the next day he said he was glad to see her again and that the finger prints

was not the only reason. he wanted to reasure her that he was going to approve the visa if we can get the father issue fixed.

so that was nice he didnt have to say anything really but i feel he's a kind soul doing a rough job,.

rsn i think you have plenty of emails .text,,etc does hurt to throw everything in there you can but dont worry you have enough!!!!!! I think what I would do is you two go over and over your bio stuff make sure she knows everything about you she can

work..job,address,home town,family these are also important and normal stuff a fiancee should know and they also ask!

good luck

chris

Thanks for taking the time to post this. It probably is severe overkill to submit 1000 pages of evidence, so after some thought and considering comments from others such as yourself on VJ, I'm going to come up with a much more reasonable number of pages of evidence (I think). As far as bio stuff, I went over a bunch of questions with my fiancee, and I was surprised with her answers. She knew a bunch of stuff I didn't expect her to remember/know about me. She even remembers my middle name. Aside from my parents, no one remembers or can pronounce my middle name! I hope you and your SO get your approval soon. Best of luck to you two, I'll keep you in my thoughts. Thanks again for your input Chris.

Edit: I didn't respond earlier because for some reason Gmail marked this as spam. Weird.

Come up with an amount of evidence that you feel comfortable with. Take all of the extra pages, documents that you feel might not be necessary, anything else that you feel could be overkill, and place it all in a second folder. Have your fiance submit a main folder at the interview.... and if they end up asking for more .... she just might have what they are asking for in the "extra" folder. Anyway, this is what we did.

Good Luck,

DVD

[paintbrush 0]

rsn I just saw your timeline and felt the pain of being slapped around by the VSC. It was bound to happen sooner or later I just hope I can get to sleep now...

Funny, I didn't have trouble sleeping until after I got my NOA2.

rsn i agree with above post .We just through our interview on the 31st and i believe other than the proof

of relationship you show at interview they have already made a decision months ago..we sent in all proofs of relationship

emails,photos,plane tickets etc with the packages when they asked..in the last package they asked agian ,i got together msn chat

logs going back 15 months average talk 15 hours a month, phone records .pictures etc agian emails where maybe 150 pages

at the most..split half and half (hers and mine)

rsn RELAX TAKE DEEP BREATH we were freaked out by all this talk how hard this guy was on and on,But

ricker told me if everything is in order nothing to worry about and he was right.THis is what going to happen when you get to interview your going to go in and she going to hand package to window.the girl at counter going to take and open in front of her

making sure everything on check list is there,,so go over and over this list make sure you have everything,and have it in the order

the asked,its with the letter they will send you for interview.At the interview anywhere from right away to all day ours took

4 hours before we were called.the interviewer and two thai girls stand there the man starts off asking the basic questions

where you met and how many times i come to see and what do i doing for living ,where i live etc ..than he looks through

emails and text messages while he asks what we talk about when we chat,,(this is why i feel they already made up there mind

the just randomly look through emails,text,,phone records,spending about 15 at the most looking )the thai girls flip through

photo album more like she was using it to cool her self off than to really be looking at the pics.when asked a question about

your relationship have your fiancee go on and on about the answer.Thats what mine did and he finally told her ok enough..(haha)

the whole interview took 45 minutes.

we were denied because of a problem we have with her daughters father and we are trying to fix and take

back as fast as we can.the reason I feel this guy is nice is because of course we where upset with the denial we figured

we would have a problem with this from the start the guy had the thai girls call my fiancee later in the day and say she needs to come back in redo finger prints.When she got there the next day he said he was glad to see her again and that the finger prints

was not the only reason. he wanted to reasure her that he was going to approve the visa if we can get the father issue fixed.

so that was nice he didnt have to say anything really but i feel he's a kind soul doing a rough job,.

rsn i think you have plenty of emails .text,,etc does hurt to throw everything in there you can but dont worry you have enough!!!!!! I think what I would do is you two go over and over your bio stuff make sure she knows everything about you she can

work..job,address,home town,family these are also important and normal stuff a fiancee should know and they also ask!

good luck

chris

Thanks for taking the time to post this. It probably is severe overkill to submit 1000 pages of evidence, so after some thought and considering comments from others such as yourself on VJ, I'm going to come up with a much more reasonable number of pages of evidence (I think). As far as bio stuff, I went over a bunch of questions with my fiancee, and I was surprised with her answers. She knew a bunch of stuff I didn't expect her to remember/know about me. She even remembers my middle name. Aside from my parents, no one remembers or can pronounce my middle name! I hope you and your SO get your approval soon. Best of luck to you two, I'll keep you in my thoughts. Thanks again for your input Chris.

Edit: I didn't respond earlier because for some reason Gmail marked this as spam. Weird.

Come up with an amount of evidence that you feel comfortable with. Take all of the extra pages, documents that you feel might not be necessary, anything else that you feel could be overkill, and place it all in a second folder. Have your fiance submit a main folder at the interview.... and if they end up asking for more .... she just might have what they are asking for in the "extra" folder. Anyway, this is what we did.

Good Luck,

DVD

thats right dvd !!! i forgot to mention we did that with our censored and uncensored emails texts etc.. we felt that they only need to see our conversations that was of use to them..But any conversations we felt private we deleted but still had at interview too in case they ask about gaps in talking..

thanks rsn we found the father last night but he's starting his games agian he's only an hour away

from bkk but he' wants money for ticket to fly..So looks like am buying his ticket.You think this guy would do somthing for his daughter once in her life!!! sorry blowing off a little steam!! anyway if he comes in and signs my two loves would be here any day...

agian good luck to you two

chris

[rsn 135]

I know this has been answered elsewhere, but not in the BKK embassy thread (at least that I can see). I make well above the 125% line, so I don't need to include asset information or bank records. Correct? Based on what I have read on other threads and VJ, I believe I am correct, but want to make 100% sure.

[daboyz 36]

I know this has been answered elsewhere, but not in the BKK embassy thread (at least that I can see). I make well above the 125% line, so I don't need to include asset information or bank records. Correct? Based on what I have read on other threads and VJ, I believe I am correct, but want to make 100% sure.

As long as you can prove the 125%, you are fine.

[rsn 135]

I know this has been answered elsewhere, but not in the BKK embassy thread (at least that I can see). I make well above the 125% line, so I don't need to include asset information or bank records. Correct? Based on what I have read on other threads and VJ, I believe I am correct, but want to make 100% sure.

As long as you can prove the 125%, you are fine.

I have a letter from my employer, W2s from the past 3 years, and the IRS faxed my tax transcripts for the last 3 years too. I think that should do it.