Nice to have an open forum...

[Peikko 1,575]

The mods didn't ban my boy toy did they? :rofl:

[morocco4ever 63]

Seriously, as a woman you wouldn't understand that reference to schlong size is a metaphor. It is a statement that describes the entire masculine persona, or lack thereof. Chinese men are metaphorically and literally short of schlong. Such is the truth. Masculine persona is not rewarded in the traditional Chinese culture except at teh highest level. Servitude, rather, is expected. This continues to this day.

Based on the above statement, does that mean that a female that is well endowed has a much more feminine persona? If we are going to stereo type, then it appears to be the same doesn't it? And if we are going to stereo type, then doesn't the fact that the American woman is normally more endowed than the Chinese woman, that makes us much more desirable?

This is all just more ####### IMO

Let's get to the bottom of this. Why do you feel so inadequate that you have to come on a message board and try to convince us how manly you are?

[rebeccajo 14]

What the hell?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

In a reply to a thread in a shooting sports forum I recently remarked on the Va Tech incident in which the Chinese fellow whacked the just arrived Chinese girl. I postulated to the nature of the situation on basis of long relations with mainlanders, and a general understanding of their social structure with regard to marriage and education. For my reply I was banned from the forum for 2 weeks, accused of racism.

My statement was to the effect that the young man had prolly facilitated the girl's admission to the school, and probably expected a relationship with her in exchange for his effort and expense. I also remarked that Chinese guys don't have a lot to offer when compared to caucasians, and that Chinese girls are an exotic in the US, if they are attractive. I added that Chinese guys don't treat their women well, compared to westerners, and that they have short schlongs. All these remarks can be reasonably assumed to be true, or are known fact within my experience.

All of my statements were based on many conversations with many Chinese over a period of 4 years, and my personal knowledge of my wife's circle of acquaintances, all in mid 20's and recently married or in process. Many of them came to us to discuss marriage plans and priorities, wanting to hear the western perspective. Many of them also discussed possibilities of study abroad and the difficulties such would entail.

I suppose the moderator on that forum has limited insight into the differences between US and Chinese culture, and thereby sees any remark about the reality of Chinese life as racism. I will not bother to reply that I am married to a Chinese, whom I love dearly, and that 2 of my closest friends are Chinese men. How could I be a racist this being the case? With me it's not about race, in the least. It's all about individual acknowledgement of responsibility, and individual acheivement.

That being said, the honest observer will admit that stereotypes exist on basis of statistical probability, and that generalisations are statistically likely to be valid. As for the shortness issue, well, medical science has already confirmed the observation of a few Chinese girls. "Search the google", if you don't believe.

I knew you were serious. There are some people here (including mods) that have such a limited world view that to disagree is racism.

You have experienced the 'fairness' of our mods. Time to start kissing their behinds more.

[justashooter 430]

The shooter in the VA Tech incident was a Korean immigrant, not Chinese. (Not that that was the biggest problem with the generalization, but you know. Pedant.)

i well recall that the shooter was a south korean on a long time green card. i was in china when the incident occured. you would not have believed the horror on the faces of chinese in the early hours when it appeared on basis of a chicago news report that he was chinese. everyone was so ashamed.

though i have spent a limited time in south korea that does not well prepare me for judgement, it seems that south koreans and chinese are very different people. there is little love lost between them, that is for sure.

[justashooter 430]

Why do you think that your perspective (I guess it should be "our" perspective - because I guess it should be assumed that all caucasians are of similar mindset) on the masculine persona is the correct one? I mean... you constantly seem to be suggesting that you are more of a man than the Arabs, and now the Chinese.

Presumably Hispanics will be next, although you might have to be somewhat creative in order to justify the rationale in relation to your interpretation of Blacks - given that we all "know" that they have the biggest shlongs.

lets look at the cultural dynamic, paul.

the western perception of the masculine type is less constrained that those in the east. this because the western cultures are less rigid in terms of social order, and are more individualistic in nature. the individualism allows a couples dynamic to be expressed in which roles are expressed in ways they cannot be in a subjugative society.

this argument applies to chinese in that their culture is based on the kowtow to ruler, down to the lowest level. all you have to do to understand this is attempt to obtain some simple record at a low level government office in central china. you will be told mao (ma-yo) until you present the correct bribe or subjugated posture. it's a fact of daily life that any level of power is abused in the chinese society, as a matter of course. in such a society, an alpha either rises to the top by carefully indebtig others to himself, or falls quickly. such is life in china.

in today's ME you have an artifical insecurity built into the national personas that is based upon the experience of being dragged into the 20th century straight from the 7th by western people hell bent on exploiting natural resources easily obtainable in the ME. you have a ruling class that is a collection of sultinates whose social order is better suited for culture on a smaller scale. cutting heads and hands off just isn't the mark of an advanced super-culture. it is a hold-over from a day when such was necessary in order to compel subjugation.

this kind of thinking works in an agrarian society where you can measure the weight or volume of each man's product in any given day, or in a heardman culture where you can tell by the condition of a flock how well they are tended. this kind of thinking does not play well in a culture in which productivety cannot be easily measured, such as today's technology based world. in today's world, the ME mindset of pillage and rapine feels ill at ease, having been enlightened to the fact that the pen is mightier than the sword, indeed.

in reply to all who have demonstrated such a fascination with the opportunity to type the word "#######", repeatedly: i am not suprised that you have fixated upon this one small part of my original post. there was so much more content for you to argue with. perhaps your comments reveal more about your own natures.

in reply to those who have taken umbrage at my use of the term "girl" to describe a 24 year old chinese female who is unmarried and still in school: live in china for a while and you will understand that this is the norm. you will give great insult to such a creature by calling her a "woman". she will call herself a girl until she is either securely married and has a child, or is 30 and a futureless old maid.

a "girl" in china is still subject to her father. a "woman" in china is subject to her husband. that brief moment after graduation from college and while living alone or with a female room mate before marriage is her big moment of freedom, in which she is able to express her own will, and make her own choices. it's just the chinese way.

[Yoink 7]

"boys have penises and girls have vaginas"

[msu17 0]

We are a more liberal forum??? :-D

[morocco4ever 63]

Why do you think that your perspective (I guess it should be "our" perspective - because I guess it should be assumed that all caucasians are of similar mindset) on the masculine persona is the correct one? I mean... you constantly seem to be suggesting that you are more of a man than the Arabs, and now the Chinese.

Presumably Hispanics will be next, although you might have to be somewhat creative in order to justify the rationale in relation to your interpretation of Blacks - given that we all "know" that they have the biggest shlongs.

lets look at the cultural dynamic, paul.

the western perception of the masculine type is less constrained that those in the east. this because the western cultures are less rigid in terms of social order, and are more individualistic in nature. the individualism allows a couples dynamic to be expressed in which roles are expressed in ways they cannot be in a subjugative society.

this argument applies to chinese in that their culture is based on the kowtow to ruler, down to the lowest level. all you have to do to understand this is attempt to obtain some simple record at a low level government office in central china. you will be told mao (ma-yo) until you present the correct bribe or subjugated posture. it's a fact of daily life that any level of power is abused in the chinese society, as a matter of course. in such a society, an alpha either rises to the top by carefully indebtig others to himself, or falls quickly. such is life in china.

in today's ME you have an artifical insecurity built into the national personas that is based upon the experience of being dragged into the 20th century straight from the 7th by western people hell bent on exploiting natural resources easily obtainable in the ME. you have a ruling class that is a collection of sultinates whose social order is better suited for culture on a smaller scale. cutting heads and hands off just isn't the mark of an advanced super-culture. it is a hold-over from a day when such was necessary in order to compel subjugation.

this kind of thinking works in an agrarian society where you can measure the weight or volume of each man's product in any given day, or in a heardman culture where you can tell by the condition of a flock how well they are tended. this kind of thinking does not play well in a culture in which productivety cannot be easily measured, such as today's technology based world. in today's world, the ME mindset of pillage and rapine feels ill at ease, having been enlightened to the fact that the pen is mightier than the sword, indeed.

in reply to all who have demonstrated such a fascination with the opportunity to type the word "#######", repeatedly: i am not suprised that you have fixated upon this one small part of my original post. there was so much more content for you to argue with. perhaps your comments reveal more about your own natures.

in reply to those who have taken umbrage at my use of the term "girl" to describe a 24 year old chinese female who is unmarried and still in school: live in china for a while and you will understand that this is the norm. you will give great insult to such a creature by calling her a "woman". she will call herself a girl until she is either securely married and has a child, or is 30 and a futureless old maid.

a "girl" in china is still subject to her father. a "woman" in china is subject to her husband. that brief moment after graduation from college and while living alone or with a female room mate before marriage is her big moment of freedom, in which she is able to express her own will, and make her own choices. it's just the chinese way.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

in reply to those who have taken umbrage at my use of the term "girl" to describe a 24 year old chinese female who is unmarried and still in school: live in china for a while and you will understand that this is the norm. you will give great insult to such a creature by calling her a "woman". she will call herself a girl until she is either securely married and has a child, or is 30 and a futureless old maid.

from your original post...

Chinese guys don't have a lot to offer when compared to caucasians, and that Chinese girls are an exotic in the US, if they are attractive. I added that Chinese guys don't treat their women well, compared to westerners, and that they have short schlongs. All these remarks can be reasonably assumed to be true, or are known fact within my experience.

Your simple generalizations are silly. For one, you assume that any physical differences between Chinese men and caucasian men puts one in an advantage over another in terms of physical attraction for Chinese women. Generally speaking, social status as well as education, your family, and your culture are more important when it comes to family approval and a girl's family approval is the utmost importance to her. There are many Asian American dating sites where both Chinese men and women state specifically they are looking for a traditional Chinese mate - because they wish to honor their family and culture. But in the end, these are just generalizations, which are no less 'true' than what you've stated, which essentially makes most generalizations meaningless, as yours is.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

(and here's what backs up what I just said)

Mate Preference Comparisons between College Students in China and in the United States

The main purpose of this study is to examine whether college students in China and in the United States have similar or different mate preferences and whether a third person may influence their decisions in marrying a particular person. A total of 74 college students from both China and the United States participated the survey. Thematic analyses revealed two major clusters (communication-focused and individual-focused) of desirable and undesirable characteristics in a potential mate. Findings are consistent with the previous research that the Chinese students prefer more family-related characteristics (e.g., to show filial piety to their parents) in a mate, whereas the American students prefer more individual-focused qualities (e.g., to be physically attractive and athletic) in a person they want to marry. At the communication level, more American students pointed out the importance of fun and humor in a mate, whereas more Chinese emphasized the importance of kindness in a mate. In addition, American students listed more individual-focused characteristics than Chinese students. Similar findings were also obtained regarding the undesirable qualities in a mate. Next, Chinese students were found to be more likely to seek advice from their parents than the American students regarding the decision in marrying a particular person. Lastly, there was no difference in the ranking of the importance of the parents' approval in their decision of marriage. Limitations and future directions were discussed.

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_...3178_index.html

Edited January 31, 2009 by Mister Fancypants

[Peikko 1,575]

Gosh, and no mention of ####### size, metaphoric or not. Who knew?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Gosh, and no mention of ####### size, metaphoric or not. Who knew?

You have to order the adult version of the study.

[Peikko 1,575]

I'll order a copy, special delivery as I am obviously totally obsessed with the male member and its influence in society.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Sometimes it's best to keep tight-lipped about the wee wees. (*snork!!*)