Obama Tells GOP: I Won

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From the actual EO:

The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Thought so and I did read that he is setting up a panel or something to come up with ways to implement the EO.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

From the actual EO:

The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States.

Nothing but words to give the panel time to decide if closing Gitmo is feasible. If it isn't, he can rescind it. Amounts to nothing more than window dressing.

Edited January 26, 2009 by Virtual wife

[Danno 1,228]

I'm sure it's my lack of comprehension of your point but, it seems to me, you were suggestion Gitmo was in some way a "house of Horrors". The only negative report I recall hearing was one incident concerning the handling of the Koran.

I, and many others, consider routine torture--sorry, "enhanced interrogation techniques"--a "house of horrors." Pretty much by definition, actually.

That raises a question (or two) I don't know the answer too.

1. Was in fact (as apposed to web-rumor) this waterboarding even done at Gitmo?

2. Do we know for the record how many people were waterboarded?

Still waiting on an answer, if anyone knows... especially MR. MOX

since he says Gitmo is a "House of horrors" I would think he has the answers.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's been several hundred suicide attempts in the camp, but rather than acknowledge that it might just have something to do with the pyschological impact of long-term incarceration without trial, the powers that be decided to redefine it variously as "self-injurious behaviour" or "asymmetric warfare".

I'd say "house of horrors" isn't far off the mark.

Edited January 27, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[alienlovechild 75]

There's been several hundred suicide attempts in the camp, but rather than acknowledge that it might just have something to do with the pyschological impact of long-term incarceration without trial, the powers that be decided to redefine it variously as "self-injurious behaviour" or "asymmetric warfare".

6, some these are guys who are suicide bombers or send others to blow themselves up so suicide attempts are just practice runs to meet Allah.

What prisons don't have suicide attempts?

Maybe you're right. We should let them starve themselves to death like the UK did with the IRA prisoners back in the 1980s.

[Peikko 1,575]

There's been several hundred suicide attempts in the camp, but rather than acknowledge that it might just have something to do with the pyschological impact of long-term incarceration without trial, the powers that be decided to redefine it variously as "self-injurious behaviour" or "asymmetric warfare".

6, some these are guys who are suicide bombers or send others to blow themselves up so suicide attempts are just practice runs to meet Allah.

What prisons don't have suicide attempts?

Maybe you're right. We should let them starve themselves to death like the UK did with the IRA prisoners back in the 1980s.

What a creative thinker you are Mr Alien.

I have to admit though, I admire the use of the word 'asymmetric warfare' in this context. That's pure inspiration.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's been several hundred suicide attempts in the camp, but rather than acknowledge that it might just have something to do with the pyschological impact of long-term incarceration without trial, the powers that be decided to redefine it variously as "self-injurious behaviour" or "asymmetric warfare".

6, some these are guys who are suicide bombers or send others to blow themselves up so suicide attempts are just practice runs to meet Allah.

What prisons don't have suicide attempts?

Maybe you're right. We should let them starve themselves to death like the UK did with the IRA prisoners back in the 1980s.

Well seeing as we're being all technical and relativistic about it we don't "know" who these people are or what they've done (if anything) because the purpose of due process of law is to establish that.

And yes all prisons have suicides, but 350 seems like a high rate for a small prison population in the space of a single year.

Besides if we follow through with this logic of assigning guilt by assumption perhaps we should start deciding on the guilt or innocence of criminal defendants using news media headlines.

Or perhaps we should stop making idiotic comparisons and throwing around duplicitous double standards.

[Peikko 1,575]

There's been several hundred suicide attempts in the camp, but rather than acknowledge that it might just have something to do with the pyschological impact of long-term incarceration without trial, the powers that be decided to redefine it variously as "self-injurious behaviour" or "asymmetric warfare".

6, some these are guys who are suicide bombers or send others to blow themselves up so suicide attempts are just practice runs to meet Allah.

What prisons don't have suicide attempts?

Maybe you're right. We should let them starve themselves to death like the UK did with the IRA prisoners back in the 1980s.

Well seeing as we're being all technical and relativistic about it we don't "know" who these people are or what they've done (if anything) because the purpose of due process of law is to establish that.

And yes all prisons have suicides, but 350 seems like a high rate for a small prison population in the space of a single year.

Besides if we follow through with this logic of assigning guilt by assumption perhaps we should start deciding on the guilt or innocence of criminal defendants using news media headlines.

Or perhaps we should stop making idiotic comparisons and throwing around duplicitous double standards.

I thought we did that already...