Marriage interview for ethnic couples is worse? YES OR NO?

[rrobin 2]

I don't agree with the OP.

Guys it is all about stats, stats and stats. Over the decades, USCIS has processed millions of applications including almost every possible ethnic/racial combination of husband and wife, and from all this data they can reliably infer trends which carry statistical significant. If the stats indicate that some factors are highly correlated to marriage fraud then it is reasonable on the USCIS behalf to pay more attention to such cases.

Secondly, even if your case appears to fall under one or more of these red-flag categories, it is does not mean you will be automatically denied. If your relationship is for real, you will get approved.

Finally, not all whites are treated equally. For example, Russians are scrutinized more than let’s say Swiss. I am not saying that race does not play any role at all, but let’s not blame blatantly everything on race

Edited January 23, 2009 by rrobin

[desert_fox 32]

You're the only one who seems to be making an issue out of your race dear.

I think you enjoy it though.

How about us poor dumb Italians???

[morocco4ever 63]

You're the only one who seems to be making an issue out of your race dear.

I think you enjoy it though.

How about us poor dumb Italians???

You should be lined up and shot. *M4E runs*

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

You're the only one who seems to be making an issue out of your race dear.

I think you enjoy it though.

How about us poor dumb Italians???

You should be lined up and shot. *M4E runs*

or just make him drive a fiat.

[desert_fox 32]

You're the only one who seems to be making an issue out of your race dear.

I think you enjoy it though.

How about us poor dumb Italians???

You should be lined up and shot. *M4E runs*

or just make him drive a fiat.

...and get rid of my Yugo??? Never!!

[Sinergy 3]

I think what they are saying is that the more things on the list that are flagged the higher the risk of fraud. It doesn't mean that if you match one of the items you are automaticaly accused of fraud. My fiance and I have been in AP for 14 months. We meet a few of these, we could pass for relatives if you are just going by looks though.

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

EXCUSE ME? You are ignorant enough to say that because i am not white like my husband that my marriage is not real? Who are you? A white couple could be commiting fraud and just because they are white you believe they would not be frauds? Are you saying because i am a black woman my marriage is not real?

first, calling her ignorant is against the TOS. id suggest reading the TOS.

second, read her post again, nothing in there indicates your assumption of what she posted.

MYOB. If this post does not concern you then read something else. This is for people being treated harshly by immigration officers because they are not a "same race european white couple." This person was saying becuase i am not the same "race" as my husband that this indicates fraud, and that is bigotry not business.

i really hope you were talking to me

you were the one who was slinging name calling....if you want a mature conversation, then learn to act mature, if you dont, then you will be treated like a child in return.

oh and btw when you post your personal stuff on a public forum, it becomes EVERYONES business

Edited January 23, 2009 by Sinergy

[Sinergy 3]

The whole process is slanted to favor European couples by letting them "sneak" in on the visa wavier program and adjust. The whole process stinks of KKK mentality

I wouldn't say that's true. I agree that there are people who use the VWP to come here and adjust instead of doing things the right way, and most of us would also agree that this is incredibly unfair to those of us who DON'T abuse that VWP -- but I went through the exact same process that everyone else has to go through. There's a reason why some countries are considered high fraud and others are not, and thus these countries tend to face higher scrutiny. I really don't think this can be seen as "kkk mentality."

IT IS KKK mentality because they are saying you are fraud if you marry someone that does not have the same skin color as you. That's racism not fraud. Just because i am not white like my husband does not mean i am a fraud. It does not say "marriage inside their ethnic group" it says marriage outside the ethnic group, meaning against interracial couples.

If it is what you want to believe, then go ahead. It's a free country & you can believe what you want.

What I have seen are beneficiary from muslim country (esp. male) will go through long security checks while beneficiary from high fraud country will go through more scrutiny. But you don't have to believe it.

If USCIS thinks this marriage is a fraud, there may be reason for it and this poster isnt sharing info. But instead trying to use the race card...something ive seen way too often.

[panamania79 2]

To the OP -stop going on like you are a victim of something and you are the only couple that has had to prove a bona fide relationship, EVERYONE has to. The only person making it ALL about an inter racial marriage is you!

THANK YOU !

[blanketinthewater 0]

To the OP -stop going on like you are a victim of something and you are the only couple that has had to prove a bona fide relationship, EVERYONE has to. The only person making it ALL about an inter racial marriage is you!

THANK YOU !

IF THE USCIS WAS NOT RACIST, THEY WOULD NOT BRING UP COLOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT IS RACIST WHEN YOU ARE SAYING THERE IS A COLOR FOR CRIME. "ETHNIC" PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKED AT MORE CLOSELY JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ETHNIC. WHITE/NON-ETHNIC PEOPLE CAN BE CRIMINALS, BUT TO SAY ONLY ETHNICS ARE CRIMINALS IS PLAIN REDNECK BIGOTRY. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE EVEN IF I AM IN A REAL MARRIAGE MY CASE COULD BE DENIED JUST BECAUSE OF COLOR. MY FEES PAID, AND MY PROOF SHOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT IF COLOR IS BROUGHT UP BY USCIS, THAT MEANS THERE IS MORE TO IT. THERE IS NO COLOR OR ETHNICITY FOR CRIME, AND TO SAY ONLY ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE FRAUDS IS BS. PROOF OF MARRIAGE SHOULD BE THE ISSUE, NOT ETHNICITY. IT IS THE BIGOT GOVT. THAT BRINGS UP COLOR.

[Nikita2Charles 32]

Kak Dila,

You can not generalized, we are a mixed couple, and two totally different culture, I am african american and my fiancee now wife is from India, we went through the whole process like a breeze. At her interview they only asked a few question, where I was born, where's my dad from? what kinda of work I do and that was it.

At the removal of status stages, they had all the documents we had sent from K1, all the way to the 485 application, same routine, and also there's a list of questions by law i guess they have to ask you. At the end we had brought some wedding reception pictures from Queens NY, and he asked if he could make a copy of the picture. He said everything was fine, we should received the green card in a few days,

Look around visajourney you will need it's like the united nation out here, you'll find all kind of race and creed, just relax and chill out with your love ones, this process can take a toll on you for being so far away from each other, but look at it in the long run, it's just a matter of months, maybe days before you guys are reunited. in the meantime just keep assembly your evidence that you are are a couple so come interview time you'll be all set.

PS: Feel free to post any questions or concerns you have, even RANTS at time, here in Visajourney the chance is most likely you'll find someone whose going through the process)same stage as you. Has been through it, or went through it. Did it myself from A to Z without a lawyer as most folks here are there to help each other out.

Paka and Good luck

Edited January 25, 2009 by Nikita2Charles

[blanketinthewater 0]

To the OP -stop going on like you are a victim of something and you are the only couple that has had to prove a bona fide relationship, EVERYONE has to. The only person making it ALL about an inter racial marriage is you!

THANK YOU !

IF THE USCIS WAS NOT RACIST, THEY WOULD NOT BRING UP COLOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT IS RACIST WHEN YOU ARE SAYING THERE IS A COLOR FOR CRIME. "ETHNIC" PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKED AT MORE CLOSELY JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ETHNIC. WHITE/NON-ETHNIC PEOPLE CAN BE CRIMINALS, BUT TO SAY ONLY ETHNICS ARE CRIMINALS IS PLAIN REDNECK BIGOTRY. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE EVEN IF I AM IN A REAL MARRIAGE MY CASE COULD BE DENIED JUST BECAUSE OF COLOR. MY FEES PAID, AND MY PROOF SHOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT IF COLOR IS BROUGHT UP BY USCIS, THAT MEANS THERE IS MORE TO IT. THERE IS NO COLOR OR ETHNICITY FOR CRIME, AND TO SAY ONLY ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE FRAUDS IS BS. PROOF OF MARRIAGE SHOULD BE THE ISSUE, NOT ETHNICITY. IT IS THE BIGOT GOVT. THAT BRINGS UP COLOR.

AND BIGOTRY WOULD NOT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IF RACIAL PROFILING WAS NOT IN THE MANUAL OF THE IMMIGRATION OFFICER. BECAUSE OF "ETHNICITY" MANY PEOPLES CASES ARE WRONGFULLY DENIED AND LITTLE OR NOTHING AT ALL IS DONE TO TRY TO FIGHT THE DENIALS IN CASES OF "INTERRACCIAL" COUPLES, EVEN IF YOU FILE A COMPLAINT. IF THE IMMIG. OFFICERS THINK THAT ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE RED FLAGS AND MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT FRUAD, THAT MEANS THAT NON-ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT FRAUD AND GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THE OFFICERS BELIEVE THAT ONLY ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS, AND THEY ONLY INVESTIGATE "ETHNIC" PEOPLES. THEY DONOT SCRUTINIZE SAME-RACE/WHITE COUPLES AS MUCH BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED NORMAL. SO EUROPEANS WILL SLIDE BY AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ETHNIC WILL BE "LOOKED AT" OR DENIED. I HAVE WRITTEN TO PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR FAMILIES TOGETHER AND THEY ARE DENIED IMMIGRATION BENEFITS BECAUSE OF THEIR APPEARANCES. ITS AN INSULT TO HAVE ####### LIKE THIS GOING ON WHEN OUR PRESIDENT IS A BLACK MAN FROM A MULTI-CULTURAL FAMILY HIMSELF.

[caybee 21]

To the OP -stop going on like you are a victim of something and you are the only couple that has had to prove a bona fide relationship, EVERYONE has to. The only person making it ALL about an inter racial marriage is you!

THANK YOU !

IF THE USCIS WAS NOT RACIST, THEY WOULD NOT BRING UP COLOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT IS RACIST WHEN YOU ARE SAYING THERE IS A COLOR FOR CRIME. "ETHNIC" PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKED AT MORE CLOSELY JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ETHNIC. WHITE/NON-ETHNIC PEOPLE CAN BE CRIMINALS, BUT TO SAY ONLY ETHNICS ARE CRIMINALS IS PLAIN REDNECK BIGOTRY. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE EVEN IF I AM IN A REAL MARRIAGE MY CASE COULD BE DENIED JUST BECAUSE OF COLOR. MY FEES PAID, AND MY PROOF SHOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT IF COLOR IS BROUGHT UP BY USCIS, THAT MEANS THERE IS MORE TO IT. THERE IS NO COLOR OR ETHNICITY FOR CRIME, AND TO SAY ONLY ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE FRAUDS IS BS. PROOF OF MARRIAGE SHOULD BE THE ISSUE, NOT ETHNICITY. IT IS THE BIGOT GOVT. THAT BRINGS UP COLOR.

AND BIGOTRY WOULD NOT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IF RACIAL PROFILING WAS NOT IN THE MANUAL OF THE IMMIGRATION OFFICER. BECAUSE OF "ETHNICITY" MANY PEOPLES CASES ARE WRONGFULLY DENIED AND LITTLE OR NOTHING AT ALL IS DONE TO TRY TO FIGHT THE DENIALS IN CASES OF "INTERRACCIAL" COUPLES, EVEN IF YOU FILE A COMPLAINT. IF THE IMMIG. OFFICERS THINK THAT ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE RED FLAGS AND MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT FRUAD, THAT MEANS THAT NON-ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT FRAUD AND GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THE OFFICERS BELIEVE THAT ONLY ETHNIC PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS, AND THEY ONLY INVESTIGATE "ETHNIC" PEOPLES. THEY DONOT SCRUTINIZE SAME-RACE/WHITE COUPLES AS MUCH BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED NORMAL. SO EUROPEANS WILL SLIDE BY AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ETHNIC WILL BE "LOOKED AT" OR DENIED. I HAVE WRITTEN TO PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR FAMILIES TOGETHER AND THEY ARE DENIED IMMIGRATION BENEFITS BECAUSE OF THEIR APPEARANCES. ITS AN INSULT TO HAVE ####### LIKE THIS GOING ON WHEN OUR PRESIDENT IS A BLACK MAN FROM A MULTI-CULTURAL FAMILY HIMSELF.

The guidelines you posted say nothing about race, though. I know in the U.S., "ethnic" can mean a person of color and can exclude "white" people, but that's not what it means in this context. There are no ethnic people/"non-ethnic" people in this process. We're all "ethnic" in some way because it's referring more to cultural differences. You could have white people from the U.S., Africa, Asia, Middle East, etc, and they would have ethnic differences even though they may all be classified as white. My husband and I are classified as the same race, but the ethnic differences between us are huge. It's the same for many if not most couples on VJ. That is what they look at, why people from totally different cultural backgrounds, traditions, would marry, why their families would accept that, etc. It does not automatically mean fraud to them, but they do look a little more closely at that, along with other factors like religion, age, etc. But as I said, my husband and I have ethnic differences, religious differences, a substantial age difference, but we made it through with no trouble. It looks like you are going through AOS, right? So you have already proven yourselves to USCIS and DOS once, and race was not a factor. Why should it be a factor now? You may not even be called for an interview. We weren't. The whole process is extremely stressful, but from what you say, you have all of your proof in order. I hope things move quickly for you and you can put this behind you. Best wishes.

[caybee 21]

Merriam-Webster defines ethnic as "of or relating to large groups of people classified according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background" -- it means far, far more than just race.

Edited January 25, 2009 by caybee

[NickD 203]

From the N-400 application:

"Are you Hispanic or Latino? Yes No"

Not many choices with race, White, Asian, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaskan Native, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.

Why are Hispanics or Latinos isolated? And what in the hell is white? They are very specific on your photos, must use a blank white background, if you are white, should be able to submit a photo with a black background. Ha, was tempted to send in a blank white photo.

Guess under race, if you are a mutt, would have to check all the boxes and even some that aren't even listed, how about adding, None for a race? And why even specify a race when they see in in person and have a photo?

Hispanic is troublesome, not even a race, but a culture that can be identical as the USA and a language, where many can speak clearer more precise English than most Americans, and even far superior to the IO judging you.

But the N-400 forces you to deal with race and culture/language for a just a few countries of origin.

[Nessa 23]

Not many choices with race, White, Asian, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaskan Native, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.

Why are Hispanics or Latinos isolated?

i don't feel isolated. I think it's ridiculous to have a race called latino that is only recognized in america.

i'm white and i don't consider latino a race. ####### kind of race is latino? seriously? we have every kind of mix possible in Brazil Half the population is white, 40% is a mix, what they'd call brown, 7% black, 0.5% asian, 0.3% indigenous. those are races. so if a ''white brazilian'', an ''asian descent brazilian'' and a ''black brazilian'' come to the States they should all be considered the same race? #######? they're either white, black or asian and they could fill in the form as white, black or asian. For me that's kind of bullsh!t.