Marriage interview for ethnic couples is worse? YES OR NO?

[blanketinthewater 0]

I think what they are saying is that the more things on the list that are flagged the higher the risk of fraud. It doesn't mean that if you match one of the items you are automaticaly accused of fraud. My fiance and I have been in AP for 14 months. We meet a few of these, we could pass for relatives if you are just going by looks though.

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

EXCUSE ME? You are ignorant enough to say that because i am not white like my husband that my marriage is not real? Who are you? A white couple could be commiting fraud and just because they are white you believe they would not be frauds? Are you saying because i am a black woman my marriage is not real?

first, calling her ignorant is against the TOS. id suggest reading the TOS.

second, read her post again, nothing in there indicates your assumption of what she posted.

MYOB. If this post does not concern you then read something else. This is for people being treated harshly by immigration officers because they are not a "same race european white couple." This person was saying becuase i am not the same "race" as my husband that this indicates fraud, and that is bigotry not business.

[rebeccajo 14]

Hmmm.

I think you should worry less about the fact you are a mixed-race couple and worry mostly about preparing information for the CO that proves you are a legitimate, bonafide mixed-race couple.

And I hope you won't take a militant attitude with any USCIS/DOS officers you will be faced with during your journey. They tend to not appreciate it from anyone - no matter what the skin color is.

Holding your head high will always get you a lot further than holding your fist high. And we have a new President to prove it.

[Krikit 1,165]

This topic doesn't really fit in the AOS from Work... forum so I'm moving it into Off Topic.

OP, the fraud indicators are not racist and designed to keep ethnicities separate from each other. They are there to assist adjudicators in determining who may be marrying an American for ulterior motives. Since the days of 9/11, an obvious fraud indicator (emphasis on "indicator") is a muslim man marrying a non-muslim American woman because it's possible they may be trying to enter to do harm to the US and its citizens. Your wrath is misplaced.

[tom&tata 2]

The whole process is slanted to favor European couples by letting them "sneak" in on the visa wavier program and adjust. The whole process stinks of KKK mentality

I wouldn't say that's true. I agree that there are people who use the VWP to come here and adjust instead of doing things the right way, and most of us would also agree that this is incredibly unfair to those of us who DON'T abuse that VWP -- but I went through the exact same process that everyone else has to go through. There's a reason why some countries are considered high fraud and others are not, and thus these countries tend to face higher scrutiny. I really don't think this can be seen as "kkk mentality."

IT IS KKK mentality because they are saying you are fraud if you marry someone that does not have the same skin color as you. That's racism not fraud. Just because i am not white like my husband does not mean i am a fraud. It does not say "marriage inside their ethnic group" it says marriage outside the ethnic group, meaning against interracial couples.

If it is what you want to believe, then go ahead. It's a free country & you can believe what you want.

What I have seen are beneficiary from muslim country (esp. male) will go through long security checks while beneficiary from high fraud country will go through more scrutiny. But you don't have to believe it.

[Emancipation 2]

[alexpapa 4]

I think what they are saying is that the more things on the list that are flagged the higher the risk of fraud. It doesn't mean that if you match one of the items you are automaticaly accused of fraud. My fiance and I have been in AP for 14 months. We meet a few of these, we could pass for relatives if you are just going by looks though.

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

EXCUSE ME? You are ignorant enough to say that because i am not white like my husband that my marriage is not real? Who are you? A white couple could be commiting fraud and just because they are white you believe they would not be frauds? Are you saying because i am a black woman my marriage is not real?

Excuse you? Please read my post again, you have totally read into what I have said and then personally attacked me calling ME ignorant? You have no idea about my race or my wife's race, so please don't assume. YOU are the one with a chip on your shoulder - have you been denied at an interview already? If not then are you just assuming that you will be denied?

[alexpapa 4]

The whole process is slanted to favor European couples by letting them "sneak" in on the visa wavier program and adjust. The whole process stinks of KKK mentality

I wouldn't say that's true. I agree that there are people who use the VWP to come here and adjust instead of doing things the right way, and most of us would also agree that this is incredibly unfair to those of us who DON'T abuse that VWP -- but I went through the exact same process that everyone else has to go through. There's a reason why some countries are considered high fraud and others are not, and thus these countries tend to face higher scrutiny. I really don't think this can be seen as "kkk mentality."

IT IS KKK mentality because they are saying you are fraud if you marry someone that does not have the same skin color as you. That's racism not fraud. Just because i am not white like my husband does not mean i am a fraud. It does not say "marriage inside their ethnic group" it says marriage outside the ethnic group, meaning against interracial couples.

They're not saying that at all, they are saying it MAY be an indication of fraud - it has nothing to do with racism, but an indicator based on their experience of literally millions of interviews. It's NOT automatic fraud.

[alexpapa 4]

I think what they are saying is that the more things on the list that are flagged the higher the risk of fraud. It doesn't mean that if you match one of the items you are automaticaly accused of fraud. My fiance and I have been in AP for 14 months. We meet a few of these, we could pass for relatives if you are just going by looks though.

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

EXCUSE ME? You are ignorant enough to say that because i am not white like my husband that my marriage is not real? Who are you? A white couple could be commiting fraud and just because they are white you believe they would not be frauds? Are you saying because i am a black woman my marriage is not real?

first, calling her ignorant is against the TOS. id suggest reading the TOS.

second, read her post again, nothing in there indicates your assumption of what she posted.

MYOB. If this post does not concern you then read something else. This is for people being treated harshly by immigration officers because they are not a "same race european white couple." This person was saying becuase i am not the same "race" as my husband that this indicates fraud, and that is bigotry not business.

I said no such thing. I am part of an mixed race/ethnic couple so I think you should seriously get off your high horse and stop complaining before you have even been treated badly by USCIS.

[morocco4ever 63]

This topic doesn't really fit in the AOS from Work... forum so I'm moving it into Off Topic.

OP, the fraud indicators are not racist and designed to keep ethnicities separate from each other. They are there to assist adjudicators in determining who may be marrying an American for ulterior motives. Since the days of 9/11, an obvious fraud indicator (emphasis on "indicator") is a muslim man marrying a non-muslim American woman because it's possible they may be trying to enter to do harm to the US and its citizens. Your wrath is misplaced.

My husband was denied a visa. Do I believe it has to do with the color of his and my skin? No. If it was almost everyone in the MENA forum would be denied. The fact is that we possessed some red flags. Is racism still alive? Sure it is. But it is a lot smaller percentage than the OP are suggesting.

To the OP. I am sorry that you have this concern hanging over your head. But I suspect you are blowing out of proportion. Take a lot of the amount of people that voted for Obama. That speaks volumes about how far this country has come. I hate to see racism as much as I hate to see things that go wrong is always based on racism. Can't we all get past that already?

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

Where are you getting this info from?

The USCIS iMMIGRATION OFFICERS MANUAL, look it up, they have these beliefs on how to detect marriage fraud, called "marriage fraud factors"

Marriage fraud factors

Other issues involving marriage revolve around the "marriage fraud factors" passed by Congress in 1986 to discourage "sham" or marriages of convenience to get around the immigration laws and illegally obtain federal immigration benefits.

A list of factors that contribute to a determination by an examiner for the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) that the parties got married to get around the immigration laws follows:

* Rapid sequence of events (marriage, divorce, claimed death prior to filing petition ? adverse action by INS).

* Age difference -- 10 years or more.

* Prior marriages by petitioner to aliens or by aliens to U.S. citizens or lawful permanent resident aliens.

* Marriage outside ethnic or religious group.

* Marriage to "entry without inspection" alien not of the Western Hemisphere.

* Witnesses to marriage are same nationality as beneficiary.

* Beneficiary and petitioner claim separate address; beneficiary departed U.S. after marriage.

* Confidential marriage. This is a special proce-dure in California where the parties can request that their marriage not be recorded in the public record.

* Beneficiary has minor children residing abroad.

* Inconsistent or nonexistent petitioner identification.

* Excessive documentation in support of the application (e.g., Forms I-864, Affidavits of Support, submitted by relatives other than spou

maybe you can provide us a link to this..........

[almaty 19]

first of all, there is a long list of potential fraud indicators..and you chose one to fit your own personal agenda and bias...and play the race card prior to any indication that there may be an issue in your petition.....

[warlord 73]

INS will not determine all those cases as fraud, they will not say if you inter-racially marry or are 10 years apart your marriage is fraud. They will look at those cases a bit more closely, but it isn't done on a white superior authority at all. If a white person marries a white person from Romania or Lithuania they will look at it just as a latino marrying a chineese etc.

They know over seas marriage in some instances are mail order citizenship marriages. They want to weed those out. So they have a set of factors that POTENTIALLY could raise flags.

There is nothing raciest about it.

Could it be that you may be the racist with your KKK comment above? Prejudicing black, Hispanic, Asian INS officials as the KKK which is a white supremicy group?

If your marriage is legit then you have nothing to worry about. If you have a fraud marriage then yes, you will be found out in most cases and denied. Simple as that, no rasicm at all...

[desert_fox 32]

Contact the race card expert Al Sharpton. Be the angry black woman with an attitude....it will do wonders with the visa process.

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

Contact the race card expert Al Sharpton. Be the angry black woman with an attitude....it will do wonders with the visa process.

Edited January 23, 2009 by charles!

[thetreble 19]

Holding your head high will always get you a lot further than holding your fist high. And we have a new President to prove it.

Word. Very well put, Rebeccajo.