Marriage interview for ethnic couples is worse? YES OR NO?

[blanketinthewater 0]

I am a "black" woman, my husband is a russian "white" man, bigoted america may hate me for my skin color, but my husband loves me for who i am. I noticed that in the immigration officers manual on how to detect marriage fraud, it says if there are cultural/ethnic differences, differences in background, marriage outside of ethnic group, and differnet personal characteristics, that the marriage is automatically a fraud. So interracial couples are automatically not a real married couple? That means that people that ARE frauds will get away with it more often because the uscis will not scrutinize them like they do interracial couples. I am uncomfortable with the fact that i may be automatically accused of a crime just because i am not white like my husband is. That does not sound like business and policy to me, it sounds like pure-bred hatred and racism. Are they trying to say that they don't want people immigrating to this country and "mixing" like the supremacists, and KKK do on their websites? Because as long as my marriage was in good faith (And it is) I should have the right to obtain benefits for my husband. Our skin colors not matching should not be an issue. Its the same as saying all black people steal, they are saying only couples with non-white spouses are frauds. I am prepared to be looked at like i am garbage and prepared to be stared at like i am an alien, just because i am not white like my husband is, but i will never allow them to accuse my husband and i of fraud just because we look different. Its like the immigration office is saying my husband should not love me because i am a black woman and i'm not a white girl. Systemic racism keeping division among people. Skin color being different is not going to tell you if someone is going to be a fraud or not, i don't know why they even put that in the manual. Its simple david duke bigotry.

[MissStacey 1]

Where are you getting this info from?

[blanketinthewater 0]

Where are you getting this info from?

The USCIS iMMIGRATION OFFICERS MANUAL, look it up, they have these beliefs on how to detect marriage fraud, called "marriage fraud factors"

Marriage fraud factors

Other issues involving marriage revolve around the "marriage fraud factors" passed by Congress in 1986 to discourage "sham" or marriages of convenience to get around the immigration laws and illegally obtain federal immigration benefits.

A list of factors that contribute to a determination by an examiner for the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) that the parties got married to get around the immigration laws follows:

* Rapid sequence of events (marriage, divorce, claimed death prior to filing petition ? adverse action by INS).

* Age difference -- 10 years or more.

* Prior marriages by petitioner to aliens or by aliens to U.S. citizens or lawful permanent resident aliens.

* Marriage outside ethnic or religious group.

* Marriage to "entry without inspection" alien not of the Western Hemisphere.

* Witnesses to marriage are same nationality as beneficiary.

* Beneficiary and petitioner claim separate address; beneficiary departed U.S. after marriage.

* Confidential marriage. This is a special proce-dure in California where the parties can request that their marriage not be recorded in the public record.

* Beneficiary has minor children residing abroad.

* Inconsistent or nonexistent petitioner identification.

* Excessive documentation in support of the application (e.g., Forms I-864, Affidavits of Support, submitted by relatives other than spou

Edited January 23, 2009 by blanketinthewater

[MissStacey 1]

Take a look around- there are many interracial couples on here who have successfully completed their immigration process.

[jundp 191]

One of their "fraud factors" on that list is also an age difference of 10 years or more, but many many couples on here have successfully adjusted status with an age gap. There are also many inter-racial couples here on VJ who have been successful. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Y's_habibitk 2]

I am a "black" woman, my husband is a russian "white" man, bigoted america may hate me for my skin color, but my husband loves me for who i am. I noticed that in the immigration officers manual on how to detect marriage fraud, it says if there are cultural/ethnic differences, differences in background, marriage outside of ethnic group, and differnet personal characteristics, that the marriage is automatically a fraud. So interracial couples are automatically not a real married couple? That means that people that ARE frauds will get away with it more often because the uscis will not scrutinize them like they do interracial couples. I am uncomfortable with the fact that i may be automatically accused of a crime just because i am not white like my husband is. That does not sound like business and policy to me, it sounds like pure-bred hatred and racism. Are they trying to say that they don't want people immigrating to this country and "mixing" like the supremacists, and KKK do on their websites? Because as long as my marriage was in good faith (And it is) I should have the right to obtain benefits for my husband. Our skin colors not matching should not be an issue. Its the same as saying all black people steal, they are saying only couples with non-white spouses are frauds. I am prepared to be looked at like i am garbage and prepared to be stared at like i am an alien, just because i am not white like my husband is, but i will never allow them to accuse my husband and i of fraud just because we look different. Its like the immigration office is saying my husband should not love me because i am a black woman and i'm not a white girl. Systemic racism keeping division among people. Skin color being different is not going to tell you if someone is going to be a fraud or not, i don't know why they even put that in the manual. Its simple david duke bigotry.

I think your perception is a bit askewed.

If they automatically labeled these couples as fraudulent..most everyone here would be denied. Take a look at the regional forums...cultural differences, anyone?

post a link please.

[Y's_habibitk 2]

Where are you getting this info from?

The USCIS iMMIGRATION OFFICERS MANUAL, look it up, they have these beliefs on how to detect marriage fraud, called "marriage fraud factors"

Marriage fraud factors

Other issues involving marriage revolve around the "marriage fraud factors" passed by Congress in 1986 to discourage "sham" or marriages of convenience to get around the immigration laws and illegally obtain federal immigration benefits.

A list of factors that contribute to a determination by an examiner for the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) that the parties got married to get around the immigration laws follows:

* Rapid sequence of events (marriage, divorce, claimed death prior to filing petition ? adverse action by INS).

* Age difference -- 10 years or more.

* Prior marriages by petitioner to aliens or by aliens to U.S. citizens or lawful permanent resident aliens.

* Marriage outside ethnic or religious group.

* Marriage to "entry without inspection" alien not of the Western Hemisphere.

* Witnesses to marriage are same nationality as beneficiary.

* Beneficiary and petitioner claim separate address; beneficiary departed U.S. after marriage.

* Confidential marriage. This is a special proce-dure in California where the parties can request that their marriage not be recorded in the public record.

* Beneficiary has minor children residing abroad.

* Inconsistent or nonexistent petitioner identification.

* Excessive documentation in support of the application (e.g., Forms I-864, Affidavits of Support, submitted by relatives other than spou

these are required forms

[alexpapa 4]

I am a "black" woman, my husband is a russian "white" man, bigoted america may hate me for my skin color

That's a huge generalization.

Those are fraud indicators, not an automatic charge of fraud.

[Sylvia_n_Joseph 3]

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country. All the same race couples will deny any such thing but run some stats on who has "issues" in sun Saharan and you will see it is a disproportionate number of interracial couples. The whole process is slanted to favor European couples by letting them "sneak" in on the visa wavier program and adjust. The whole process stinks of KKK mentality

[alexpapa 4]

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

[Robina 0]

I think what they are saying is that the more things on the list that are flagged the higher the risk of fraud. It doesn't mean that if you match one of the items you are automaticaly accused of fraud. My fiance and I have been in AP for 14 months. We meet a few of these, we could pass for relatives if you are just going by looks though.

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

[blanketinthewater 0]

I think what they are saying is that the more things on the list that are flagged the higher the risk of fraud. It doesn't mean that if you match one of the items you are automaticaly accused of fraud. My fiance and I have been in AP for 14 months. We meet a few of these, we could pass for relatives if you are just going by looks though.

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

EXCUSE ME? You are ignorant enough to say that because i am not white like my husband that my marriage is not real? Who are you? A white couple could be commiting fraud and just because they are white you believe they would not be frauds? Are you saying because i am a black woman my marriage is not real?

[Sinergy 3]

I think what they are saying is that the more things on the list that are flagged the higher the risk of fraud. It doesn't mean that if you match one of the items you are automaticaly accused of fraud. My fiance and I have been in AP for 14 months. We meet a few of these, we could pass for relatives if you are just going by looks though.

As a older white woman trying to bring a black man here -YES they are harder on interracial couples. Especially if you are in a high fraud country.

high fraud? so it has nothing to do with that?

EXCUSE ME? You are ignorant enough to say that because i am not white like my husband that my marriage is not real? Who are you? A white couple could be commiting fraud and just because they are white you believe they would not be frauds? Are you saying because i am a black woman my marriage is not real?

first, calling her ignorant is against the TOS. id suggest reading the TOS.

second, read her post again, nothing in there indicates your assumption of what she posted.

Edited January 23, 2009 by Sinergy

[jundp 191]

The whole process is slanted to favor European couples by letting them "sneak" in on the visa wavier program and adjust. The whole process stinks of KKK mentality

I wouldn't say that's true. I agree that there are people who use the VWP to come here and adjust instead of doing things the right way, and most of us would also agree that this is incredibly unfair to those of us who DON'T abuse that VWP -- but I went through the exact same process that everyone else has to go through. There's a reason why some countries are considered high fraud and others are not, and thus these countries tend to face higher scrutiny. I really don't think this can be seen as "kkk mentality."

[blanketinthewater 0]

The whole process is slanted to favor European couples by letting them "sneak" in on the visa wavier program and adjust. The whole process stinks of KKK mentality

I wouldn't say that's true. I agree that there are people who use the VWP to come here and adjust instead of doing things the right way, and most of us would also agree that this is incredibly unfair to those of us who DON'T abuse that VWP -- but I went through the exact same process that everyone else has to go through. There's a reason why some countries are considered high fraud and others are not, and thus these countries tend to face higher scrutiny. I really don't think this can be seen as "kkk mentality."

IT IS KKK mentality because they are saying you are fraud if you marry someone that does not have the same skin color as you. That's racism not fraud. Just because i am not white like my husband does not mean i am a fraud. It does not say "marriage inside their ethnic group" it says marriage outside the ethnic group, meaning against interracial couples.