Obama's economic advisor no "White Male Construction Workers"

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Nah lets just skewer him like the Socialists have always done for anyone that disagrees with them. Why be different?

Just wonderin' who you're referring to here?

He has no idea. Apparently as long as you label someone a socialist or liberal it means your views are correct.

the same could be said about labeling people as neocons.

Well the problem here on VJ is that anyone who opposes the right wing mentality is labeled a liberal or socialist. Here's a piece of info... something like 39% of Americans are moderates and less than 20% are liberals. That means a whole bunch of moderates are being lumped in with the liberals.

more statistics without a link to them?

you also ignore the problem on vj of anyone who opposes the left wing mentality is a neocon/racist/redneck/etc

Ah, but, according to those who label those who disagree with them as right wing nutters, racists, rednecks, neocons, etc., there are no left wingers here. Anyone who isn't wary of an Obama adminstration is just part of the normal, rational, MOR majority. Everyone else is correctly labeled as right wing fringe.

There's no reason to argue if you understand that.

[nowhereman 1]

Nah lets just skewer him like the Socialists have always done for anyone that disagrees with them. Why be different?

Just wonderin' who you're referring to here?

He has no idea. Apparently as long as you label someone a socialist or liberal it means your views are correct.

the same could be said about labeling people as neocons.

Well the problem here on VJ is that anyone who opposes the right wing mentality is labeled a liberal or socialist. Here's a piece of info... something like 39% of Americans are moderates and less than 20% are liberals. That means a whole bunch of moderates are being lumped in with the liberals.

more statistics without a link to them?

you also ignore the problem on vj of anyone who opposes the left wing mentality is a neocon/racist/redneck/etc

The statistics can be found in several places & I am sure you can find sites that both support and reject the percentages I listed. As others have stated whether someone is defined as a conservative, moderate or liberal is subjective, so the labels don't mean a whole lot. However my point is that the right leaning posters here have a nasty tendency to pull the liberal card whenever they get frustrated & want to demean opposing points of view. Now I'm sure your response will be that the left leaning posters do the same thing & perhaps they do, but I see a whole lot more rhetoric stemming from the right (i.e. starting threads full of rhetoric).

[nowhereman 1]

Nah lets just skewer him like the Socialists have always done for anyone that disagrees with them. Why be different?

Just wonderin' who you're referring to here?

He has no idea. Apparently as long as you label someone a socialist or liberal it means your views are correct.

the same could be said about labeling people as neocons.

Well the problem here on VJ is that anyone who opposes the right wing mentality is labeled a liberal or socialist. Here's a piece of info... something like 39% of Americans are moderates and less than 20% are liberals. That means a whole bunch of moderates are being lumped in with the liberals.

more statistics without a link to them?

you also ignore the problem on vj of anyone who opposes the left wing mentality is a neocon/racist/redneck/etc

Ah, but, according to those who label those who disagree with them as right wing nutters, racists, rednecks, neocons, etc., there are no left wingers here. Anyone who isn't wary of an Obama adminstration is just part of the normal, rational, MOR majority. Everyone else is correctly labeled as right wing fringe.

There's no reason to argue if you understand that.

My problem with this (and I have stated many times) is that the right wing posters here were as silent as a fart in church during Bush's tenure & they have been all over Obama since the get go. That is blatant partisan bias and pure hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned. Most of the Obama supporters are not sheep or clueless liberals (common assertions here), but rather all we are saying is give the guy a freaking chance before you condemn him.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

/obamabot out

[luckytxn 2,264]

I actually see a lot more Socialist rhetoric than anything. Next in line is the Neocons. It is all how we perceive but we are allowed our opinions. The left throws out many labels and screams if you do the same to them and the Right also. Go figure.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The back and forth fingerpointing isn't very useful imo, nor is the idea that there is some sort of continual feud between organized factions of left and right posters.

Perhaps a few play the game that way and have to boil everthing down to trite binary oppositions, but surely individuals are responsible for what they alone say and not some collective guilt by association. Childish is what it is.

As to the labels, they aren't meaningless - rather they are rendered so by people who don't know what they mean.

[Marilyn. 340]

why can't people be judged on a person to person basis.. rather then trying to judge them by what group they belong to??

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

My problem with this (and I have stated many times) is that the right wing posters here were as silent as a fart in church during Bush's tenure & they have been all over Obama since the get go. That is blatant partisan bias and pure hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned. Most of the Obama supporters are not sheep or clueless liberals (common assertions here), but rather all we are saying is give the guy a freaking chance before you condemn him.

Perhaps, when your position is under fire, you tend to notice the incoming rounds, much more than the outgoing ones!

--Bullwinkle

[alienlovechild 75]

My problem with this (and I have stated many times) is that the right wing posters here were as silent as a fart in church during Bush's tenure & they have been all over Obama since the get go. That is blatant partisan bias and pure hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned. Most of the Obama supporters are not sheep or clueless liberals (common assertions here), but rather all we are saying is give the guy a freaking chance before you condemn him.

Think for a moment about political realities. We have a two-party system and the reason there's muted criticism for Bush from the right is that there was no real alternative. Kerry in 2004, nope. Stuck with McCain in 2008 or go for the most liberal and inexperienced guy in the senate.

The two party is partisan by definition and the out-of-power party has the watchdog role. Now the Obama worshippers demand complete obediance to a trillion dollar budget and a yet another bailout. I even got my topic title altered for using the topic heading "Anti-Obama criticism won't be tolerated".

I recently got a couple of free trial subscriptions to Time and People. Got four issues so far and three featured Obama on the cover issue. Any reason Time has to have Obama on every freaking cover?

[Peikko 1,575]

Nah lets just skewer him like the Socialists have always done for anyone that disagrees with them. Why be different?

Just wonderin' who you're referring to here?

He has no idea. Apparently as long as you label someone a socialist or liberal it means your views are correct.

the same could be said about labeling people as neocons.

Well the problem here on VJ is that anyone who opposes the right wing mentality is labeled a liberal or socialist. Here's a piece of info... something like 39% of Americans are moderates and less than 20% are liberals. That means a whole bunch of moderates are being lumped in with the liberals.

more statistics without a link to them?

you also ignore the problem on vj of anyone who opposes the left wing mentality is a neocon/racist/redneck/etc

Ah, but, according to those who label those who disagree with them as right wing nutters, racists, rednecks, neocons, etc., there are no left wingers here. Anyone who isn't wary of an Obama administration is just part of the normal, rational, MOR majority. Everyone else is correctly labeled as right wing fringe.

There's no reason to argue if you understand that.

There's part of the problem highlighted. Nearly everyone here is more or less wary of ANY administration, be it Democrat led or Republican. Only those who are fanatically for Obama or fanatically AGAINST (note the word fanatic, it's connotations are quite clear) him can be correctly labeled as either Screaming Left winger (or whatever the US equivalent is) or Right wing nut case.

The problem quite clearly is, that there are some people here who label anyone screaming left wing merely for not condemning Obama at every turn or for not supporting Bush's every move. I don't see the oppositve happening nearly so often, although it does happen. The moderates on here, which is the majority of posters, actually manage to criticise both sides based on what the politicians do, not on ideological grounds.

why can't people be judged on a person to person basis.. rather then trying to judge them by what group they belong to??

Because it's not much fun and requires more effort.

[Ban Hammer 13,283]

There's part of the problem highlighted. Nearly everyone here is more or less wary of ANY administration, be it Democrat led or Republican. Only those who are fanatically for Obama or fanatically AGAINST (note the word fanatic, it's connotations are quite clear) him can be correctly labeled as either Screaming Left winger (or whatever the US equivalent is) or Right wing nut case.

coulda fooled me.

[Peikko 1,575]

Seems like you are easily fooled then as it's no secret.

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

There's part of the problem highlighted. Nearly everyone here is more or less wary of ANY administration, be it Democrat led or Republican. Only those who are fanatically for Obama or fanatically AGAINST (note the word fanatic, it's connotations are quite clear) him can be correctly labeled as either Screaming Left winger (or whatever the US equivalent is) or Right wing nut case.

coulda fooled me.

We are still in the "Honeymoon" mode. When the beer goggles wear off, then we will see exactly who we are sleeping with.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Wrong thread

Edited January 25, 2009 by luckytxn

[Marilyn. 340]

Need a ruling on the DVD "Team America". I have that one at home.

I think you have the wrong thread ..lol