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[kitty loves moudi 0]

I am writting in this forum because I am helping a relative and she is in need to find proof that her USC father was living in US for 5 years after his 14th birthday. We know he lived in US until he was 38 years old. He is a marine veteran and served in the korean war. She has his birth certificate, his social security number, his early school records but nothing after his age 14. As u can tell we'd have to go back a long time. Her mother and father separated over 30 yrs ago, and they (mother and daughter) returned to live in USA at time of separation. She has a right to citizenship because father is USC, but only needs this evidence to show eligibility. It is unknown where father is or if he is still alive, so this leaves he in a fix, not knowing where to obtain this information.

Can anyone help??

[Stella08 0]

Check here if you find the help you need. That's the place to go for public records:

http://www.archives.gov/

[KyngSilva 0]

I am writting in this forum because I am helping a relative and she is in need to find proof that her USC father was living in US for 5 years after his 14th birthday. We know he lived in US until he was 38 years old. He is a marine veteran and served in the korean war. She has his birth certificate, his social security number, his early school records but nothing after his age 14. As u can tell we'd have to go back a long time. Her mother and father separated over 30 yrs ago, and they (mother and daughter) returned to live in USA at time of separation. She has a right to citizenship because father is USC, but only needs this evidence to show eligibility. It is unknown where father is or if he is still alive, so this leaves he in a fix, not knowing where to obtain this information.

Can anyone help??

You said the mother and daughter returned to the US. Im confused. Is she currently living in the US?

[kitty loves moudi 0]

I am writting in this forum because I am helping a relative and she is in need to find proof that her USC father was living in US for 5 years after his 14th birthday. We know he lived in US until he was 38 years old. He is a marine veteran and served in the korean war. She has his birth certificate, his social security number, his early school records but nothing after his age 14. As u can tell we'd have to go back a long time. Her mother and father separated over 30 yrs ago, and they (mother and daughter) returned to live in USA at time of separation. She has a right to citizenship because father is USC, but only needs this evidence to show eligibility. It is unknown where father is or if he is still alive, so this leaves he in a fix, not knowing where to obtain this information.

Can anyone help??

You said the mother and daughter returned to the US. Im confused. Is she currently living in the US?

Yes they are both living in the US since she was nearly 3 yrs old.

[NickD 202]

I am writting in this forum because I am helping a relative and she is in need to find proof that her USC father was living in US for 5 years after his 14th birthday. We know he lived in US until he was 38 years old. He is a marine veteran and served in the korean war. She has his birth certificate, his social security number, his early school records but nothing after his age 14. As u can tell we'd have to go back a long time. Her mother and father separated over 30 yrs ago, and they (mother and daughter) returned to live in USA at time of separation. She has a right to citizenship because father is USC, but only needs this evidence to show eligibility. It is unknown where father is or if he is still alive, so this leaves he in a fix, not knowing where to obtain this information.

Can anyone help??

You said the mother and daughter returned to the US. Im confused. Is she currently living in the US?

Yes they are both living in the US since she was nearly 3 yrs old.

Assume your female relative is applying for USC, does she have a birth certificate? Is her dad a USC? And who exactly is asking if he lived here for five years since his 14th birthday?

An if your relative lived here since she was three years old, I assume she was born in a foreign country, exactly how did she come here? Didn't she have a US passport? Nothing is making sense.

[Stella08 0]

I agree, this is a strange case. If she had a claim to US citizenship, she shouldn't have received a greencard. But if she neither has US citizenship nor a greencard, how does she live here for 30 years (legally)? If she does have a greencard, she should be more than eligible to apply for citizenship even without her US citizen Dad.

@ NickD

About the 5 years after his 14th birthday:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A4eng.pdf

I was born overseas. I believe I was a U.S. citizen at birth

because one or both my parents were U.S. citizens when I

was born. But my birth and citizenship were not registered

with the U.S. Embassy when I was born. Can I apply to

have my citizenship recognized?

Whether or not someone born outside the United States to a U.S.

citizen parent is a U.S. citizen depends on the law in effect when

the person was born. These laws have changed over the years,

but usually require a combination of the parent being a U.S. citizen

when the child was born, and the parent having lived in the United

States or its possessions for a specific period of time. Derivative

citizenship can be quite complex and may require careful legal

analysis.

[NickD 202]

I agree, this is a strange case. If she had a claim to US citizenship, she shouldn't have received a greencard. But if she neither has US citizenship nor a greencard, how does she live here for 30 years (legally)? If she does have a greencard, she should be more than eligible to apply for citizenship even without her US citizen Dad.

@ NickD

About the 5 years after his 14th birthday:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A4eng.pdf

I was born overseas. I believe I was a U.S. citizen at birth

because one or both my parents were U.S. citizens when I

was born. But my birth and citizenship were not registered

with the U.S. Embassy when I was born. Can I apply to

have my citizenship recognized?

Whether or not someone born outside the United States to a U.S.

citizen parent is a U.S. citizen depends on the law in effect when

the person was born. These laws have changed over the years,

but usually require a combination of the parent being a U.S. citizen

when the child was born, and the parent having lived in the United

States or its possessions for a specific period of time. Derivative

citizenship can be quite complex and may require careful legal

analysis.

Well, if her father served in the Marines, would think that five year requirement has been met, if she can find his service number, can go to her nearest veteran office and learn what records they can dig up. Also practically every town has an American Legion where GI's tend to help one another out.

Our dad abandoned us as kids, but somehow my sister tracked him down using his social security number, have no idea how she did that or even why, met the guy, still a jerk, but not nearly as mean since I was a foot taller than him. I could call her and find out if the poster has that information. Maybe her dad is sweet now, really don't know his story or need to know.

Ha, I had to dig up my birth certificate when I was drafted, but somehow they knew I was draftable, not nice to come from a messed up family.

[Stella08 0]

Yep, I'm glad I never had to deal with anything like this.

The very first link I posted in this thread has info where to order military records. I agree, this should be all they need to prove he lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years after his 14th birthday. I still don't get under which status the lady is living in the States right now.

[kitty loves moudi 0]

Thanks everyone for ur kind replies.

Im sorry NickD that you and your sis had to go thru such hard times, it's sad that a parent decides that leaving is an option when it comes to their children. I feel you.

Stella 08, thanks for the link. I checked it out.. ordered the military records, we guessed the dates of service so I hope they come up with something!

My relative is applying thru derivative citizenship. As you posted:

Whether or not someone born outside the United States to a U.S.

citizen parent is a U.S. citizen depends on the law in effect when

the person was born. These laws have changed over the years,

but usually require a combination of the parent being a U.S. citizen

when the child was born, and the parent having lived in the United

States or its possessions for a specific period of time.

This is where the burden of proof comes in. They state that she is eligible for derivative citizenship because of her father was a USC at time of her birth, but he also must have met the criteria of having lived in the US for 10 years, 5 of them after his 14th birthday. Definately he did and she qualifies, but now the evidence must be presented to show that he lived in the US for at least 5 yrs after his 14 birthday and this is the dilemma

She has he birth certificate from the country she was born in, her fathers birth certificate and his early school records. He owned a home for many years, and lived in US until he was 38.

Now we have no knowledge of his military number, but thru the website we are giving it a shot.

Also Nick, u gave us some good feedback to go to the local Veteran's office or the American Legion to see if we can find his records.

Nick, could you pls ask your sister how she was able to track your father? My relative has her fathers ssn, maybe that would be a good option in case they are unable to find her fathers military records.

Thank you once again for any and all the help you've given us

I agree, this is a strange case. If she had a claim to US citizenship, she shouldn't have received a greencard. But if she neither has US citizenship nor a greencard, how does she live here for 30 years (legally)? If she does have a greencard, she should be more than eligible to apply for citizenship even without her US citizen Dad.

@ NickD

About the 5 years after his 14th birthday:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/A4eng.pdf

I was born overseas. I believe I was a U.S. citizen at birth

because one or both my parents were U.S. citizens when I

was born. But my birth and citizenship were not registered

with the U.S. Embassy when I was born. Can I apply to

have my citizenship recognized?

Whether or not someone born outside the United States to a U.S.

citizen parent is a U.S. citizen depends on the law in effect when

the person was born. These laws have changed over the years,

but usually require a combination of the parent being a U.S. citizen

when the child was born, and the parent having lived in the United

States or its possessions for a specific period of time. Derivative

citizenship can be quite complex and may require careful legal

analysis.

Well, if her father served in the Marines, would think that five year requirement has been met, if she can find his service number, can go to her nearest veteran office and learn what records they can dig up. Also practically every town has an American Legion where GI's tend to help one another out.

Our dad abandoned us as kids, but somehow my sister tracked him down using his social security number, have no idea how she did that or even why, met the guy, still a jerk, but not nearly as mean since I was a foot taller than him. I could call her and find out if the poster has that information. Maybe her dad is sweet now, really don't know his story or need to know.

Ha, I had to dig up my birth certificate when I was drafted, but somehow they knew I was draftable, not nice to come from a messed up family.

[Stella08 0]

I found another link:

https://iris.va.gov/scripts/iris.cfg/php.ex...amp;p_topview=1

[NickD 202]

That was pretty obvious, my sister went to an SS office with proof that she was her fathers' daughter and wanted to know if he was living or dead, they accommodated here even with his present address at the time.

DD-214 is the only form you need from the military. But wonder if the USCIS would accept other proof, was he employed, did he pay property taxes or was leasing at the time? Have to play that Sherlock Holmes game. I actually found some old service buddies by typing their names in on google, some not directly, but from family trees. Classmates was another site for looking up old high school buddies.

http://www.military.com/Registration/Marines has a buddy look up service. Not sure how critical the USCIS, but if her dad lived here that long a certain address, would any neighbors know of him? And if so, could they provide a letter of affidavit stating he lived there for so long?

Son and I had to play detective, at college, he sold a motorbike to a kid that was working there for the summer, just signed over the title. Over two years later, got a letter from the Madison Police department stating they found that bike abondoned and we owed 800 bucks in fine. That guy never registered that bike in his name. Son didn't even remember his name, but remembered a friend that knew his name, with that and a lot of net tracing, we found him, using state court records, help from the DMV, and even his home phone number. We verified where he lived and immediately contacted the Madison police with that information, they got him and we were released from that fine. But that taught us to sign a bill of sale whenever we sold anything. DMV also may be of help to you. Have fun.