Bush booed at inauguration

[Jasman0717 9]

They love him in Texas

[William33 110]

How much of this rhetoric would you recite in a public forum where people could actually see you, in person?

Gotta love the "internets".

[Heracles 417]

How much of this rhetoric would you recite in a public forum where people could actually see you, in person?

Gotta love the "internets".

Probably more so in public. You guys have the TOS here. The again I don't go around shouting out my views in other people's faces.

[HAL 9000 96]

And the terrorism threat is a real one but not as prolific as the powers that be would have you believe. The threat of terrorism is however, a wonderful way to continually justify the corrosion of civil liberties.......and haven't they all done a wonderful job of that.

Contrary to belief, terrorism was not a made up threat to control the masses. If the United States did nothing you guys would have been running for your lives, attack after attack. Instead, George W had people like Bin Laden running for their lives. How can anyone not see that. Do you actually believe someone like Bin Laden would have just given up if you guys had not chased him and forcred him to hide for his life? Have you ever seen any documentary to the actual lead up to 9/11. Negotiation is simply not an option for groups like Alqaeda.

Which civil liberties are they? a server now listens in on your international calls and you have extra screening at airports.

Do nothing? Who would have done nothing? Lets not be so melodramatic. After an attack, a response would have followed. Difference is, what followed very quickly blossomed into something that had nothing to do with the real scope of the response that should have been adequate and appropriate. Either way... that's a bit OTT.

[Not Available 0]

Not unexpected, but not cool either.

I agree,...why kick a man when he's down, I'm

sure you guys wouldn't appreciate it when your down.

Yes, he could of done a lot of things differently, but, what's done is done. It is very disrespectful....

I fully agree.

[HAL 9000 96]

If those 4000 plus American service men and woman had died fighting the war on terror, you might be able to say that.

They died fighting to carry out a vendetta that GHWB didn't finish.

The entire Bush legacy is a mockery to American principles. The founding fathers crafted our constitution to create a great nation that could lead by example. They did not give our leaders the right to wage war against nations in the name of protecting the globe, or protecting a nation from itself. We are a sovereign nation with a right to protect our borders. War with Afghanistan was provoked and justifiable. War in Iraq was not.

Bush's war in nothing more than a Holy War cloaked in deceit and now washed with the blood of our good and decent men and women in uniform. It is a great shame on our nation, IMO.

I thought the war was about oil. Funny how the the rhetoric has changed since then. Going to Iraq at the time was justifiable. In hindsight we could not afford the war. We also learned that the intelligence they relied on was not correct. Nonetheless, the only mistake the US made was half assing the job as you should have had triple the troops from the get go.

What kills me is how people blame America for the atrocities carried out by the extremists in Iraq, on their own people. In my opinion these guys, the extremist, are the very reason why we should be there. Unfortunately we cannot afford to wage a war to rid the region of such a cancer. On one hand I agree with you. That it is not America's responsibility to be world police. It sure as hell has not won us any friends. Let Europe foot the bill for once. We should just play along and mimic the European and Canadian style of turning a blind eye. Out of sight out of mind right. But as good people the country cannot turn a blind eye. Lest we forget, the United States has been down this road twice before and was forced into two world wars.

The extremist is in Iraq because... work with me...

Yes... Pearl Harbor was definitely something that gave the US the 'option' to enter WW2.

Again OTT.

Bush is gone, the problems he inflated are now quite literally, someone else's mess to clean up.

[mox 298]

I thought the war was about oil. Funny how the the rhetoric has changed since then.

The basis of the Iraqi invasion was GW's personal vendetta. The war was sold to Republican leaders and our allies on the basis of oil. The war was sold the the American people on the basis of lies.

Going to Iraq at the time was justifiable. In hindsight we could not afford the war.

Not in hindsight my friend. From the very get-go, everyone from the DoD to the intelligence community, to congress, to the people, were saying that the war would be too costly. The Bush administration lied that Iraqi oil would fund the war, knowing full well that there was no way in hell the Iraqi's were going to fund their own "liberation." This is what pisses me off the most: SO many people predicted EXACTLY what has happened, and now all of a sudden we're all acting surprised at the outcome. BS.

We also learned that the intelligence they relied on was not correct. Nonetheless, the only mistake the US made was half assing the job as you should have had triple the troops from the get go.

The intelligence was hand-picked to fit the desired conclusion. This too is common knowledge.

What kills me is how people blame America for the atrocities carried out by the extremists in Iraq, on their own people. In my opinion these guys, the extremist, are the very reason why we should be there. Unfortunately we cannot afford to wage a war to rid the region of such a cancer.

You do understand that the reason the extremists are in Iraq is because we are there, right? You understand that there were no extremists in Iraq until we destabilized the country. Right?

On one hand I agree with you. That it is not America's responsibility to be world police. It sure as hell has not won us any friends. Let Europe foot the bill for once.

First of all, Europe isn't a country. Second of all, Europe wouldn't have been collectively stupid enough to invade Iraq when there was no reason to. Europe has seen more war than America can even conceive. Europeans are sick to death of war, let alone war for the sake of ego, oil, and lies.

We should just play along and mimic the European and Canadian style of turning a blind eye. Out of sight out of mind right. But as good people the country cannot turn a blind eye. Lest we forget, the United States has been down this road twice before and was forced into two world wars.

You really need to catch up on your history. The US was barely involved in WW1, and we were late to the party in WW2. That's just for starters. Again, Europe has seen more war than Americans can even think of. If anyone should be lecturing about the evils of war, it's Europe. Take notes.

[alienlovechild 75]

And yet this accomplishment (if indeed it is an accomplishment and not just blind luck, given the incompetence in which our intelligence gathering operations have been prosecuted) is overshadowed by the criminal way in which the fight against extremists has been carried out, including abridgment of our civil liberties, torture, cover-ups, Guantanamo, the weakening of US power abroad, the loss of goodwill from previous allies, and god knows what we don't even know about yet.

Which of your civil liberties were abridged? I think we should leave the torture to Iraqis, Afghans, Saudis. . . you know Obama will do the same so the only difference is the U.S. won't be directly involved. Obama's trials in Gitmo will be a circus to try 250 defendants. Obama will be a punching bag abroad because every hostile knows Obama won't do much until after the U.S. is throughly trounced and the public pushes him.

It's also made hollow by the hundreds of thousands of dead and injured Iraqi's, the over 30,000 wounded US soldiers, and the over 3,000 soldiers who died in fight a war for ego and oil.

How much oil are we getting from Iraq? Is it worth the billions spent , hardly. Better do some research because you're repeating the same old tiresome phrases from 6 years ago. Ego? WMDs, remember?

[Heracles 417]

Do nothing? Who would have done nothing? Lets not be so melodramatic. After an attack, a response would have followed. Difference is, what followed very quickly blossomed into something that had nothing to do with the real scope of the response that should have been adequate and appropriate. Either way... that's a bit OTT.

You obviously don't get how the game is played with them. If they had access to something lik3 a nuke the last thing on their mind would be a proportionate response.

Don't confuse an ideology for some sort of Timothy McVeigh style incident.

[HAL 9000 96]

Do nothing? Who would have done nothing? Lets not be so melodramatic. After an attack, a response would have followed. Difference is, what followed very quickly blossomed into something that had nothing to do with the real scope of the response that should have been adequate and appropriate. Either way... that's a bit OTT.

You obviously don't get how the game is played with them. If they had access to something lik3 a nuke the last thing on their mind would be a proportionate response.

Don't confuse an ideology for some sort of Timothy McVeigh style incident.

Certainly. I wouldn't and you do. These games and how they're played...

But since you are pushing the tangent... whose/what proportionate response? Is that not what the USA would have done accordingly since it was the USA who'd be responding to the terrorist attacks? Enlighten us.

And how is it that you know these people's intentions? Shocking indeed.

[kaydee457 13]

Do nothing? Who would have done nothing? Lets not be so melodramatic. After an attack, a response would have followed. Difference is, what followed very quickly blossomed into something that had nothing to do with the real scope of the response that should have been adequate and appropriate. Either way... that's a bit OTT.

You obviously don't get how the game is played with them. If they had access to something lik3 a nuke the last thing on their mind would be a proportionate response.

Don't confuse an ideology for some sort of Timothy McVeigh style incident.

You're wasting your breath (energy typing) with this one.... Young, never served, and a Sanjaya fan (prolly the one crying uncontrollably).....Whichever the way the wind blows and is, like, keuell, like this one is like, onboard..... lol

[Amby 490]

I must have just not paid any attention at all because I didn't hear the booing...I guess I shut my ears off when I heard his name

[Heracles 417]

The basis of the Iraqi invasion was GW's personal vendetta. The war was sold to Republican leaders and our allies on the basis of oil. The war was sold the the American people on the basis of lies.

Based on what evidence? Opinion. I heard everyone from Russia is a crook looking for a visa from their sh-t whole country. Now you could ask me to justify this or you could simple accept it. Which would you do?

Not in hindsight my friend. From the very get-go, everyone from the DoD to the intelligence community, to congress, to the people, were saying that the war would be too costly. The Bush administration lied that Iraqi oil would fund the war, knowing full well that there was no way in hell the Iraqi's were going to fund their own "liberation." This is what pisses me off the most: SO many people predicted EXACTLY what has happened, and now all of a sudden we're all acting surprised at the outcome. BS.

Which leaves your above theory as the reason for going there. No one spends a trillion dollars for a vendetta. But then again Bush was an idiot right.

The intelligence was hand-picked to fit the desired conclusion. This too is common knowledge.

To sit here and act as if this guy who was apparently an idiot thought up this master plan and orchestrated it is just rubbish and ridiculous. After all this is not Russia. The president alone cannot just deploy troops without permission from congress. Which means they too must have either been in on it or stupid.

You do understand that the reason the extremists are in Iraq is because we are there, right? You understand that there were no extremists in Iraq until we destabilized the country. Right?

Better there than here. The people who ruled under Saddam became the extremist once the power was stripped form them. It wasn't those who were tortured under Sadam that bombed their own people.

First of all, Europe isn't a country. Second of all, Europe wouldn't have been collectively stupid enough to invade Iraq when there was no reason to. Europe has seen more war than America can even conceive. Europeans are sick to death of war, let alone war for the sake of ego, oil, and lies.

Which proves my point. As long as Europeans are living it up #### the rest of the world. After all they are allowing Russia to walk all over them. Even though they could militarily and economically crush that country.

You really need to catch up on your history. The US was barely involved in WW1, and we were late to the party in WW2. That's just for starters.

Which actually was my point. The United States has already been down this look the other way road before. We are now doing it in places like Sudan to appease liberals. So while liberals are happy that they can continue with their shitty little lives, people are being butchered in Sudan daily. But hey we are not at war right.

Edited January 21, 2009 by Aficionado

[HAL 9000 96]

Do nothing? Who would have done nothing? Lets not be so melodramatic. After an attack, a response would have followed. Difference is, what followed very quickly blossomed into something that had nothing to do with the real scope of the response that should have been adequate and appropriate. Either way... that's a bit OTT.

You obviously don't get how the game is played with them. If they had access to something lik3 a nuke the last thing on their mind would be a proportionate response.

Don't confuse an ideology for some sort of Timothy McVeigh style incident.

You're wasting your breath (energy typing) with this one.... Young, never served, and a Sanjaya fan (prolly the one crying uncontrollably).....Whichever the way the wind blows and is, like, keuell, like this one is like, onboard..... lol

I had to google Sanjaya and was shocked to realize you follow American Idol. Which does explain several unrelated things.

For the rest, specially the bolded part, I'd like to know where you're getting your information. Likely from the same source that continues to prove you insane as usual?

[HAL 9000 96]

I must have just not paid any attention at all because I didn't hear the booing...I guess I shut my ears off when I heard his name

I did not hear any boos either. Go figure.

I do remember looking somewhere else and then the helicopter was in the air.