Pinay Ako!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Does anybody here agree with me that the real Philippine independence occurred on July 4, 1946 and not on June 12, 1898? How can a minute group of anti-Spanish insurgents led by Aguinaldo come out from their hiding places, taking advantage of the Spanish defeat on Manila Bay and aided by bickerings in the McKinley administration as to whether to annex the Philippines or not, to rejoice by their lonesomes and proclaim Philippine independence, "independence" that never lasted anyway?

When Mother Spain went down to Admiral Dewey in Manila Bay, the Ugly Americans effectively owned the Philippines and it went on for another 48 years. During that period, Filipinos freely came to the US without the necessity of any visa and enjoyed the privileges that the people of Guam and Puerto Rico now possess. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was officially declared an independent republic on July 4, 1946. Now, my friends, why did the Macapagal administration, or was it Garcia, change our Independence Day offical holiday to June 12?

¡Comadre, te felicito por tu convicción y por tu amor ardoroso por la patria de nuestros antepasados!

Seriously, why this great reverence for Spain? While the influence of the Spanish on the PI is undeniable, you won't find too many Mexicans affectionately referring to Spain as their mother land. The PI is a cornucopia of outside influences. Do you two belong to some fringe group that wants to bring back the PI under Spanish rule? ¡Momma mia!

[maritoni 3]

Does anybody here agree with me that the real Philippine independence occurred on July 4, 1946 and not on June 12, 1898? How can a minute group of anti-Spanish insurgents led by Aguinaldo come out from their hiding places, taking advantage of the Spanish defeat on Manila Bay and aided by bickerings in the McKinley administration as to whether to annex the Philippines or not, to rejoice by their lonesomes and proclaim Philippine independence, "independence" that never lasted anyway?

When Mother Spain went down to Admiral Dewey in Manila Bay, the Ugly Americans effectively owned the Philippines and it went on for another 48 years. During that period, Filipinos freely came to the US without the necessity of any visa and enjoyed the privileges that the people of Guam and Puerto Rico now possess. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was officially declared an independent republic on July 4, 1946. Now, my friends, why did the Macapagal administration, or was it Garcia, change our Independence Day offical holiday to June 12?

The Philippine Declaration of Independence occurred on June 12, 1898 in the Philippines, where Filipino revolutionary forces under General Emilio Aguinaldo (later to become the Philippines' first Republican President) proclaimed the sovereignty and independence of the Philippine Islands from the colonial rule of Spain after the latter was defeated at the Battle of Manila Bay during the Spanish-American War.

The declaration, however, was not recognized by the United States or Spain, as the Spanish government ceded the Philippines to the United States in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, in consideration for an indemnity for Spanish expenses and assets lost.

While the Philippines first celebrated its Independence Day on June 12, 1898, its independence was not recognized by the United States until July 4, 1946. After that date, Independence Day was observed on July 4 until, in the name of nationalism and upon the advice of historians, President Diosdado Macapagal signed Republic Act No. 4166 into law on August 4, 1964, designating June 12, which had previously been observed as Flag Day, as the country's Independence Day.

[maritoni 3]

Thanks for the info, Marie. We'll definitely visit Fort Santiago. As for Corregidor, I probably doubt it as I get seasick very quickly, but we'll see. It's sayang, the fronton ain't there no more. But what is this news that I gather from the grapevine that the owner of Mall of Asia is building a Jai Alai fronton in Sta. Ana, Cagayan?

They already have Casinos in Sta.Ana cag.Manong .. owned by Enrile and GMA though....

me and fiance will go visit when he gets here...

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

The Philippine Declaration of Independence occurred on June 12, 1898 in the Philippines, where Filipino revolutionary forces under General Emilio Aguinaldo (later to become the Philippines' first Republican President) proclaimed the sovereignty and independence of the Philippine Islands from the colonial rule of Spain after the latter was defeated at the Battle of Manila Bay during the Spanish-American War.

The declaration, however, was not recognized by the United States or Spain, as the Spanish government ceded the Philippines to the United States in the 1898 Treaty of Paris, in consideration for an indemnity for Spanish expenses and assets lost.

While the Philippines first celebrated its Independence Day on June 12, 1898, its independence was not recognized by the United States until July 4, 1946. After that date, Independence Day was observed on July 4 until, in the name of nationalism and upon the advice of historians, President Diosdado Macapagal signed Republic Act No. 4166 into law on August 4, 1964, designating June 12, which had previously been observed as Flag Day, as the country's Independence Day.

We can throw another date out there. If you look at Emilio Aquinaldo speech before the Malolos Congress when he becomes the first (disputed) President of the Philippines, he fully expected the 23rd of January to be the day of celebration. Why June 12th? It is as arbitrary a date as any other. It was not until Merrit's forces routed the Spanish months later, that as uneasy truce developed between the Filipine forces surrounding Manila, and the American forces occupying Manila. The Spanish still occupied the southern islands.

--Bullwinkle

Edited January 25, 2009 by Rocky_nBullwinkle

[Señor Bonito 2]

Thanks for the info, Marie. We'll definitely visit Fort Santiago. As for Corregidor, I probably doubt it as I get seasick very quickly, but we'll see. It's sayang, the fronton ain't there no more. But what is this news that I gather from the grapevine that the owner of Mall of Asia is building a Jai Alai fronton in Sta. Ana, Cagayan?

They already have Casinos in Sta.Ana cag.Manong .. owned by Enrile and GMA though....

me and fiance will go visit when he gets here...

Dios ti agngina, Mary Jane. I wish we could go there also but Cagayan is out of the way for us; we will be going to the west side of Northern Luzon where I came from originally. We'll probably visit Fort Ilocandia Resort and Casino in Laoag. Do you now if the horses still run at San Lazaro?

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

¡Comadre, te felicito por tu convicción y por tu amor ardoroso por la patria de nuestros antepasados!

(Sister), I congratulate you for your conviction, and for your fiery love for the motherland of our ancestors!

--Bullwinkle

How about some stories of the Manong ninyo? We have some strong feelings here from the descendents of Imperial Spain. From the other side, how about mga kuwento ng pamilya ninyo, pakiusap? Pero sa Ingles!

--Bullwinkle

[Señor Bonito 2]

Does anybody here agree with me that the real Philippine independence occurred on July 4, 1946 and not on June 12, 1898? How can a minute group of anti-Spanish insurgents led by Aguinaldo come out from their hiding places, taking advantage of the Spanish defeat on Manila Bay and aided by bickerings in the McKinley administration as to whether to annex the Philippines or not, to rejoice by their lonesomes and proclaim Philippine independence, "independence" that never lasted anyway?

When Mother Spain went down to Admiral Dewey in Manila Bay, the Ugly Americans effectively owned the Philippines and it went on for another 48 years. During that period, Filipinos freely came to the US without the necessity of any visa and enjoyed the privileges that the people of Guam and Puerto Rico now possess. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was officially declared an independent republic on July 4, 1946. Now, my friends, why did the Macapagal administration, or was it Garcia, change our Independence Day offical holiday to June 12?

¡Comadre, te felicito por tu convicción y por tu amor ardoroso por la patria de nuestros antepasados!

Seriously, why this great reverence for Spain? While the influence of the Spanish on the PI is undeniable, you won't find too many Mexicans affectionately referring to Spain as their mother land. The PI is a cornucopia of outside influences. Do you two belong to some fringe group that wants to bring back the PI under Spanish rule? ¡Momma mia!

My fiancee, Señorita Teresita, could not respond to your inquiry as she is currently on her way to Manila from Davao for her medical exam. Hence, I'll speak what's in her mind.

It's of course natural for a Spanish Filipino to bestow his devotion to the land of his ancestors. And it's true that not many Mexicans truly revere Spain because not too many Mexicans are of Spanish lineage. What, do you expect the Mayans or the Aztecs or the Tapatios to allude to Spain as their mother land?

[Señor Bonito 2]

Thank you Ms. Rosetta Stone Rocky N Bullwinkle for the translations!

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

My fiancee, Señorita Teresita, could not respond to your inquiry as she is currently on her way to Manila from Davao for her medical exam. Hence, I'll speak what's in her mind.

It's of course natural for a Spanish Filipino to bestow his devotion to the land of his ancestors. And it's true that not many Mexicans truly revere Spain because not too many Mexicans are of Spanish lineage. What, do you expect the Mayans or the Aztecs or the Tapatios to allude to Spain as their mother land?

Ah, good luck to you both, A.J.! We will have to find you both in Santa Ana next trip south!

Bill and Marie

[maritoni 3]

Thanks for the info, Marie. We'll definitely visit Fort Santiago. As for Corregidor, I probably doubt it as I get seasick very quickly, but we'll see. It's sayang, the fronton ain't there no more. But what is this news that I gather from the grapevine that the owner of Mall of Asia is building a Jai Alai fronton in Sta. Ana, Cagayan?

They already have Casinos in Sta.Ana cag.Manong .. owned by Enrile and GMA though....

me and fiance will go visit when he gets here...

Dios ti agngina, Mary Jane. I wish we could go there also but Cagayan is out of the way for us; we will be going to the west side of Northern Luzon where I came from originally. We'll probably visit Fort Ilocandia Resort and Casino in Laoag. Do you now if the horses still run at San Lazaro?

Our plan is to visit Sta,Ana,Pagudpod and Batac...Ilocandia resorts sounds nice also..We've been to bohol and Palawan already so we might change our route this time...I've no idea about Horse racing manong...Any idea which place is good to visit in Ilocos?Fiance will be here tmr...

[Señor Bonito 2]

My fiancee, Señorita Teresita, could not respond to your inquiry as she is currently on her way to Manila from Davao for her medical exam. Hence, I'll speak what's in her mind.

It's of course natural for a Spanish Filipino to bestow his devotion to the land of his ancestors. And it's true that not many Mexicans truly revere Spain because not too many Mexicans are of Spanish lineage. What, do you expect the Mayans or the Aztecs or the Tapatios to allude to Spain as their mother land?

Ah, good luck to you both, A.J.! We will have to find you both in Santa Ana next trip south!

Bill and Marie

Thanks. Close, but we're not in Santa Ana. We're in Riverside County. Yeah, sure, as soon as Tess gets here, we'll drive up north as well!

Edited January 25, 2009 by AJAnTESS

[Señor Bonito 2]

Thanks for the info, Marie. We'll definitely visit Fort Santiago. As for Corregidor, I probably doubt it as I get seasick very quickly, but we'll see. It's sayang, the fronton ain't there no more. But what is this news that I gather from the grapevine that the owner of Mall of Asia is building a Jai Alai fronton in Sta. Ana, Cagayan?

They already have Casinos in Sta.Ana cag.Manong .. owned by Enrile and GMA though....

me and fiance will go visit when he gets here...

Dios ti agngina, Mary Jane. I wish we could go there also but Cagayan is out of the way for us; we will be going to the west side of Northern Luzon where I came from originally. We'll probably visit Fort Ilocandia Resort and Casino in Laoag. Do you now if the horses still run at San Lazaro?

Our plan is to visit Sta,Ana,Pagudpod and Batac...Ilocandia resorts sounds nice also..We've been to bohol and Palawan already so we might change our route this time...I've no idea about Horse racing manong...Any idea which place is good to visit in Ilocos?Fiance will be here tmr...

Except for that short visit to Ilocos last year, I have not been to the Philippines in 35 years. Hence, I don't know too much about resorts in Ilocos except for Fort Ilocandia Resort and Casino. We were at this resort last year and I would say it's comparable to any in the Philippines; it's a combo of beach, hotel and casino and it caters mostly to tourists from other Asian countries. Perhaps, the town of Vigan might interest you with its cobblestone streets and Spanish colonial buildings dating back as far as when it was still called Ciudad Fernandina, in honor of Ferdinand Magellan.

Good luck to you and your fiance. Are you gonna get married now?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Does anybody here agree with me that the real Philippine independence occurred on July 4, 1946 and not on June 12, 1898? How can a minute group of anti-Spanish insurgents led by Aguinaldo come out from their hiding places, taking advantage of the Spanish defeat on Manila Bay and aided by bickerings in the McKinley administration as to whether to annex the Philippines or not, to rejoice by their lonesomes and proclaim Philippine independence, "independence" that never lasted anyway?

When Mother Spain went down to Admiral Dewey in Manila Bay, the Ugly Americans effectively owned the Philippines and it went on for another 48 years. During that period, Filipinos freely came to the US without the necessity of any visa and enjoyed the privileges that the people of Guam and Puerto Rico now possess. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was officially declared an independent republic on July 4, 1946. Now, my friends, why did the Macapagal administration, or was it Garcia, change our Independence Day offical holiday to June 12?

¡Comadre, te felicito por tu convicción y por tu amor ardoroso por la patria de nuestros antepasados!

Seriously, why this great reverence for Spain? While the influence of the Spanish on the PI is undeniable, you won't find too many Mexicans affectionately referring to Spain as their mother land. The PI is a cornucopia of outside influences. Do you two belong to some fringe group that wants to bring back the PI under Spanish rule? ¡Momma mia!

My fiancee, Señorita Teresita, could not respond to your inquiry as she is currently on her way to Manila from Davao for her medical exam. Hence, I'll speak what's in her mind.

It's of course natural for a Spanish Filipino to bestow his devotion to the land of his ancestors. And it's true that not many Mexicans truly revere Spain because not too many Mexicans are of Spanish lineage. What, do you expect the Mayans or the Aztecs or the Tapatios to allude to Spain as their mother land?

It would be as odd as me fondly talking about England as the motherland of the USA. It's one thing to embrace one's heritage, but let's be real here - no matter how much Spaniard blood any Filipino wants to lay claim to, chances are they're as mixed as most Americans.....Chinese, Malay, Japanese. I suppose there are groups of Filipinos who think so fondly of Spain, but from what I've understood, a great majority of Filipinos look at the history of the Spanish Conquest with less than positive feelings. While I don't hold any grudges against England, I also don't refer to it as the motherland.

Edited January 25, 2009 by Mister Fancypants

[maritoni 3]

Thanks for the info, Marie. We'll definitely visit Fort Santiago. As for Corregidor, I probably doubt it as I get seasick very quickly, but we'll see. It's sayang, the fronton ain't there no more. But what is this news that I gather from the grapevine that the owner of Mall of Asia is building a Jai Alai fronton in Sta. Ana, Cagayan?

They already have Casinos in Sta.Ana cag.Manong .. owned by Enrile and GMA though....

me and fiance will go visit when he gets here...

Dios ti agngina, Mary Jane. I wish we could go there also but Cagayan is out of the way for us; we will be going to the west side of Northern Luzon where I came from originally. We'll probably visit Fort Ilocandia Resort and Casino in Laoag. Do you now if the horses still run at San Lazaro?

Our plan is to visit Sta,Ana,Pagudpod and Batac...Ilocandia resorts sounds nice also..We've been to bohol and Palawan already so we might change our route this time...I've no idea about Horse racing manong...Any idea which place is good to visit in Ilocos?Fiance will be here tmr...

Except for that short visit to Ilocos last year, I have not been to the Philippines in 35 years. Hence, I don't know too much about resorts in Ilocos except for Fort Ilocandia Resort and Casino. We were at this resort last year and I would say it's comparable to any in the Philippines; it's a combo of beach, hotel and casino and it caters mostly to tourists from other Asian countries. Perhaps, the town of Vigan might interest you with its cobblestone streets and Spanish colonial buildings dating back as far as when it was still called Ciudad Fernandina, in honor of Ferdinand Magellan.

Good luck to you and your fiance. Are you gonna get married now?

Dios ti agngina met manong..we plan to have a beach wedding ceremony,but still dont know where..it could be up north as i came from the north..we will be flying to laoag on 28th but we still dont know where we heading aside from batac..

[Completely 3]

Does anybody here agree with me that the real Philippine independence occurred on July 4, 1946 and not on June 12, 1898? How can a minute group of anti-Spanish insurgents led by Aguinaldo come out from their hiding places, taking advantage of the Spanish defeat on Manila Bay and aided by bickerings in the McKinley administration as to whether to annex the Philippines or not, to rejoice by their lonesomes and proclaim Philippine independence, "independence" that never lasted anyway?

When Mother Spain went down to Admiral Dewey in Manila Bay, the Ugly Americans effectively owned the Philippines and it went on for another 48 years. During that period, Filipinos freely came to the US without the necessity of any visa and enjoyed the privileges that the people of Guam and Puerto Rico now possess. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was officially declared an independent republic on July 4, 1946. Now, my friends, why did the Macapagal administration, or was it Garcia, change our Independence Day offical holiday to June 12?

¡Comadre, te felicito por tu convicción y por tu amor ardoroso por la patria de nuestros antepasados!

Seriously, why this great reverence for Spain? While the influence of the Spanish on the PI is undeniable, you won't find too many Mexicans affectionately referring to Spain as their mother land. The PI is a cornucopia of outside influences. Do you two belong to some fringe group that wants to bring back the PI under Spanish rule? ¡Momma mia!

My fiancee, Señorita Teresita, could not respond to your inquiry as she is currently on her way to Manila from Davao for her medical exam. Hence, I'll speak what's in her mind.

It's of course natural for a Spanish Filipino to bestow his devotion to the land of his ancestors. And it's true that not many Mexicans truly revere Spain because not too many Mexicans are of Spanish lineage. What, do you expect the Mayans or the Aztecs or the Tapatios to allude to Spain as their mother land?

It would be as odd as me fondly talking about England as the motherland of the USA. It's one thing to embrace one's heritage, but let's be real here - no matter how much Spaniard blood any Filipino wants to lay claim to, chances are they're as mixed as most Americans.....Chinese, Malay, Japanese. I suppose there are groups of Filipinos who think so fondly of Spain, but from what I've understood, a great majority of Filipinos look at the history of the Spanish Conquest with less than positive feelings. While I don't hold any grudges against England, I also don't refer to it as the motherland.