K3 to CR1 flip unsuccessful

[Ling Ling 22]

Yes, the applicant can obtain both visas. The medical is the same. Just get the vaccinations in addition to the medical, as you would for the CR1 visa.

In general, I'm getting the impression that for "appointment posts" the "flipping" is significantly more complicated in that NVC doesn't simply forward the case file when the case is complete like they do with a non-appointment post. As such, I wouldn't contact the Consulate. Instead, I would show up for the interview and mention the CR1 case being on station, when I was already there. They should then be able to find the case file and issue the immigrant visa upon a successful interview.

Damn good advice...same as in the LingChe guide...

Once NVC completes the case, the beneficiary should NOT contact the embassy/consulate to request that they change the already scheduled K-3 interview for a CR-1/IR-1.

Instead, contact a supervisor at NVC, and request that your completed package be expeditiously sent to the embassy/consulate. This strategy is not guaranteed, It will vary by embassy.

[pushbrk 12,603]

During the K-3 interview, if beneficiary's request for CR1 visa is denied or if I-130 case has not yet reached the consulate, can the beneficiary receive the K-3 visa and then again report to the CR1 visa interview? In that case, will they then grant a CR1 visa knowing the fact that the beneficiary has already received a K-3 visa?

Also, can a physician conduct the medical exam for CR1 visa as the criteria (and hence, giving vaccinations if required) using the K-3 interivew letter?

If the above is possible without any issues, I would be fine with couple weeks of waiting more in India rather than too much worrying about the possibility of unsuccessful switch.

Yes, the applicant can obtain both visas. The medical is the same. Just get the vaccinations in addition to the medical, as you would for the CR1 visa.

In general, I'm getting the impression that for "appointment posts" the "flipping" is significantly more complicated in that NVC doesn't simply forward the case file when the case is complete like they do with a non-appointment post. As such, I wouldn't contact the Consulate. Instead, I would show up for the interview and mention the CR1 case being on station, when I was already there. They should then be able to find the case file and issue the immigrant visa upon a successful interview.

pushbrk, I appreciate your input. I was hoping to see a reply from you when I posted my questions. Your approach about not contacting consulate is perfect when the I-130 case reaches the consulate before our K-3 interview. As of now, we are waiting for our I-130 interview to be scheduled which will most likely be scheduled in February. We have a K-3 interview in beginning of March and hence, have a slight chance that our I-130 case would not reach the consulate prior to the K-3 interview.

I have few questions and would appreciate if you could offer your advice on them:

1. In our situation described above, should we contact consulate to request NVC to forward our I-130 case (so that it surely reaches consulate prior to our K-3 interview date)? Or would you rather advise not to contact the consualte at all?

2. You mentioned that we can obtain both visas. If beneficiary does not receive CR1 visa during K-3 interview and goes to CR1 interview, would he/she need to do the entire interview or is it only matter of signing DS-230 Part II and obtaining the visa? What should be done about the medical packet that we would have submitted during the K-3 interview and hence, no longer have it during the CR1 interview?

3. Is there any possibility where beneficiary receives K-3 visa but is denied for CR1 visa? I am trying to evaluate whether it would be worthwhile to wait for CR1 interview or come to US using K-3 visa if beneficiary cannot obtain CR1 during K-3 interview.

Sorry about asking too many questions but this would help me and others to resolve some of the confusion.

Thanks.

I would contact NVC directly and request the case be sent to the Consulate.

If denied the K3 visa, the reason for denial would need to be addressed, as it would also impact the CR1 visa decision. Of course, there would be a second interview but there is no set script. It could be short or long.

Yes, obtaining the K3 visa can be followed by a CR1 denial, which would invalidate the K3. This would be rare but certainly possible.

For other readers, and for the umpteenth time, "If you want an immigrant visa, don't file an I-129F for spouse."

Edited January 19, 2009 by pushbrk

[pushbrk 12,603]

Yes, the applicant can obtain both visas. The medical is the same. Just get the vaccinations in addition to the medical, as you would for the CR1 visa.

In general, I'm getting the impression that for "appointment posts" the "flipping" is significantly more complicated in that NVC doesn't simply forward the case file when the case is complete like they do with a non-appointment post. As such, I wouldn't contact the Consulate. Instead, I would show up for the interview and mention the CR1 case being on station, when I was already there. They should then be able to find the case file and issue the immigrant visa upon a successful interview.

Damn good advice...same as in the LingChe guide...

Once NVC completes the case, the beneficiary should NOT contact the embassy/consulate to request that they change the already scheduled K-3 interview for a CR-1/IR-1.

Instead, contact a supervisor at NVC, and request that your completed package be expeditiously sent to the embassy/consulate. This strategy is not guaranteed, It will vary by embassy.

Is there a version of this guide applicable to a non-appointment post?

[Ling Ling 22]

Is there a version of this guide applicable to a non-appointment post?

I haven't been able to locate any guide on VJ or elsewhere that is specific to "non-appointment posts".

Please elaborate. Also, please note the reason for the WIKI is so that YOU can contribute.

[siyaram 0]

During the K-3 interview, if beneficiary's request for CR1 visa is denied or if I-130 case has not yet reached the consulate, can the beneficiary receive the K-3 visa and then again report to the CR1 visa interview? In that case, will they then grant a CR1 visa knowing the fact that the beneficiary has already received a K-3 visa?

Also, can a physician conduct the medical exam for CR1 visa as the criteria (and hence, giving vaccinations if required) using the K-3 interivew letter?

If the above is possible without any issues, I would be fine with couple weeks of waiting more in India rather than too much worrying about the possibility of unsuccessful switch.

Yes, the applicant can obtain both visas. The medical is the same. Just get the vaccinations in addition to the medical, as you would for the CR1 visa.

In general, I'm getting the impression that for "appointment posts" the "flipping" is significantly more complicated in that NVC doesn't simply forward the case file when the case is complete like they do with a non-appointment post. As such, I wouldn't contact the Consulate. Instead, I would show up for the interview and mention the CR1 case being on station, when I was already there. They should then be able to find the case file and issue the immigrant visa upon a successful interview.

pushbrk, I appreciate your input. I was hoping to see a reply from you when I posted my questions. Your approach about not contacting consulate is perfect when the I-130 case reaches the consulate before our K-3 interview. As of now, we are waiting for our I-130 interview to be scheduled which will most likely be scheduled in February. We have a K-3 interview in beginning of March and hence, have a slight chance that our I-130 case would not reach the consulate prior to the K-3 interview.

I have few questions and would appreciate if you could offer your advice on them:

1. In our situation described above, should we contact consulate to request NVC to forward our I-130 case (so that it surely reaches consulate prior to our K-3 interview date)? Or would you rather advise not to contact the consualte at all?

2. You mentioned that we can obtain both visas. If beneficiary does not receive CR1 visa during K-3 interview and goes to CR1 interview, would he/she need to do the entire interview or is it only matter of signing DS-230 Part II and obtaining the visa? What should be done about the medical packet that we would have submitted during the K-3 interview and hence, no longer have it during the CR1 interview?

3. Is there any possibility where beneficiary receives K-3 visa but is denied for CR1 visa? I am trying to evaluate whether it would be worthwhile to wait for CR1 interview or come to US using K-3 visa if beneficiary cannot obtain CR1 during K-3 interview.

Sorry about asking too many questions but this would help me and others to resolve some of the confusion.

Thanks.

I would contact NVC directly and request the case be sent to the Consulate.

If denied the K3 visa, the reason for denial would need to be addressed, as it would also impact the CR1 visa decision. Of course, there would be a second interview but there is no set script. It could be short or long.

Yes, obtaining the K3 visa can be followed by a CR1 denial, which would invalidate the K3. This would be rare but certainly possible.

For other readers, and for the umpteenth time, "If you want an immigrant visa, don't file an I-129F for spouse."

pushbrk, thank you for the clarification. That cleared a lot of confusion. I will evaluate whether it would be best to just take K-3 and come to US if not given CR1 visa or take another chance at CR1 interview.

Thank you for your advice. Much appreciated.

[MS3 0]

I am trying to do the same flip, I emailed the embassy in Amman, Jordan last night, still waiting for answer, somebody in the embassy told me before that it is perfectly fine to do the flip as long as they get the file before the K3 interview, NVC told me that they sent the file on Jan 6th, so hopefully the file made it to Jordan already!!

K3 interview 2-2

CR1 interview 2-19

My flip is successful, the embassy in amman responded to me and said that my wife can interview on the 2nd for CR1 I am so happy

[Y's_habibitk 2]

I am trying to do the same flip, I emailed the embassy in Amman, Jordan last night, still waiting for answer, somebody in the embassy told me before that it is perfectly fine to do the flip as long as they get the file before the K3 interview, NVC told me that they sent the file on Jan 6th, so hopefully the file made it to Jordan already!!

K3 interview 2-2

CR1 interview 2-19

My flip is successful, the embassy in amman responded to me and said that my wife can interview on the 2nd for CR1 I am so happy

[Ling Ling 22]

It's rarely simple, but never impossible.

[SankuNiku 0]

I have asked the Mumbai Consulate to request our CR-1 case file so that I can switch interview. I hope that they honor our request and that is all I can do. After speaking to a number of NVC supervisors, they can not send the file unless the Consulate requests it. I am glad for those who were successfully able to get the NVC to send it.

Thanks for everyone's input. All I can conclude is that getting a successful switch is simply a matter of chance and hope that the Consulate person you're speaking to is on board. You need to ask confidently and clearly, hope for the best, be prepared that nothing will happen and be happy regardless of what happens.

[pushbrk 12,603]

Is there a version of this guide applicable to a non-appointment post?

I haven't been able to locate any guide on VJ or elsewhere that is specific to "non-appointment posts".

Please elaborate. Also, please note the reason for the WIKI is so that YOU can contribute.

NVC's role is more extensive with appointment posts because they make the appointment in behalf of the Consulate.

For a post such as Guangzhou, the Consulate itself makes the appointments and to my knowledge NVC's role is not so extensive. I don't know the latest details for those who will interview at a non-appointment post but I suspect they will closely match the earlier James' shortcuts from payment and DS 230 forward.

[Ling Ling 22]

Is there a version of this guide applicable to a non-appointment post?

I haven't been able to locate any guide on VJ or elsewhere that is specific to "non-appointment posts".

Please elaborate. Also, please note the reason for the WIKI is so that YOU can contribute.

NVC's role is more extensive with appointment posts because they make the appointment in behalf of the Consulate.

For a post such as Guangzhou, the Consulate itself makes the appointments and to my knowledge NVC's role is not so extensive. I don't know the latest details for those who will interview at a non-appointment post but I suspect they will closely match the earlier James' shortcuts from payment and DS 230 forward.

I think you meant "ON behalf of the Consulate or Embassy". Consulate and Embassy, while similar, are not the same thing.

As for the 2 types of processing, I still can not find a reference to "non-appointment posts". I see that James's Shorcuts (which has many outdated links) refers to "Standard and Appointment Posts Processing". Note that it appears most countries are Appoinment Posts as opposed to Standard (probably makes sense to the government).

The LingChe guide is based on Appointment Posts Processing. However, I have added the following at the top of the guide.

* There are 2 types of processing, Standard & Appointment Post. Most countries are Appointment Post, whereas some (such as China) are Standard.

This guide is based on processing for Appointment Post Embassies and Consulates.

* Standard NVC processing will generally still have to obtain the same documents, but they will be brought to the embassy, which will provide the instructions as to those documents after it sets the interview date.

* Contact NVC to determine if your case is Standard processing or Appointment Post processing.

Again, if there's something you feel is incorrect in the guide, please don't hesitate to make a correction or bring it to my attention.

Also, can you elaborate on how your question regarding "standard processing" applies to the OP's question which is about "appointment post processing"?

I'm happy to have this dialogue with you about the LingChe guide, but I feel that such dialogue in this thread may add confusion, and not be in the best interest of the OP or those viewing the thread.

[SankuNiku 0]

If my wife gets her medical report done now, how long is it valid for?

[BePatience 0]

Sanket,

Did you ask mumbai consulate to request your CR1 file from NVC? Any update?

[SankuNiku 0]

They said they can't request the file from the NVC. But said that if the CR-1 gets there before the K-3 interview date they'd be willing to make a switch.

Does anyone know how long the medical report would be valid for? I tried to check the medical instructions but can't find anything in there.

Sanket,

Did you ask mumbai consulate to request your CR1 file from NVC? Any update?

[pushbrk 12,603]

Is there a version of this guide applicable to a non-appointment post?

I haven't been able to locate any guide on VJ or elsewhere that is specific to "non-appointment posts".

Please elaborate. Also, please note the reason for the WIKI is so that YOU can contribute.

NVC's role is more extensive with appointment posts because they make the appointment in behalf of the Consulate.

For a post such as Guangzhou, the Consulate itself makes the appointments and to my knowledge NVC's role is not so extensive. I don't know the latest details for those who will interview at a non-appointment post but I suspect they will closely match the earlier James' shortcuts from payment and DS 230 forward.

I think you meant "ON behalf of the Consulate or Embassy". Consulate and Embassy, while similar, are not the same thing.

As for the 2 types of processing, I still can not find a reference to "non-appointment posts". I see that James's Shorcuts (which has many outdated links) refers to "Standard and Appointment Posts Processing". Note that it appears most countries are Appoinment Posts as opposed to Standard (probably makes sense to the government).

The LingChe guide is based on Appointment Posts Processing. However, I have added the following at the top of the guide.

* There are 2 types of processing, Standard & Appointment Post. Most countries are Appointment Post, whereas some (such as China) are Standard.

This guide is based on processing for Appointment Post Embassies and Consulates.

* Standard NVC processing will generally still have to obtain the same documents, but they will be brought to the embassy, which will provide the instructions as to those documents after it sets the interview date.

* Contact NVC to determine if your case is Standard processing or Appointment Post processing.

Again, if there's something you feel is incorrect in the guide, please don't hesitate to make a correction or bring it to my attention.

Also, can you elaborate on how your question regarding "standard processing" applies to the OP's question which is about "appointment post processing"?

I'm happy to have this dialogue with you about the LingChe guide, but I feel that such dialogue in this thread may add confusion, and not be in the best interest of the OP or those viewing the thread.

First, the people who deal with visas are employed by the "Consular Services". Embassies always contain a "Consulate", so some Consulates are contained inside an Embassy but most are not. I simply choose to refer to them all as Consulates, since that's the section and services that concern our purposes.

Yes, "Standard" is the correct term. More and more Consulates are moving to the "appointment" model.

My question doesn't apply to the OP. I noticed the LingChe guide only covers appointment post procedures for NVC. Soon I'll be assisting a family member through NVC and onward to to a Standard Post, so am looking for the same kind of up to date excellent guidance for doing so as is available now for Appointment Posts.

Edited January 22, 2009 by pushbrk