California controller to suspend tax refunds, welfare checks

[peejay 327]

Mr Pants, it rather sounds as though you would like all that and more to befall on Peejay, just so you can say 'told you so'. I really hate that line of reasoning.

It works for me.

At least when I end up sitting on a bucket at the stoplight with a sign "will work for food", I really will and not expect money for nothing so I can go buy a 40 ouncer of high octane malt liquor.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yes, but you are special A.J.

I'm on PH's sh!t list.

Hit list? People are not on my hit list - posts I don't agree with are

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Mr Pants, it rather sounds as though you would like all that and more to befall on Peejay, just so you can say 'told you so'. I really hate that line of reasoning.

It works for me.

At least when I end up sitting on a bucket at the stoplight with a sign "will work for food", I really will and not expect money for nothing so I can go buy a 40 ouncer of high octane malt liquor.

If you're unemployed and broke (which you won't be, but anyway) I am reasonably confident you'll think of a better way to look for work than sit on a bucket somewhere.

[Peikko 1,575]

Mr Pants, it rather sounds as though you would like all that and more to befall on Peejay, just so you can say 'told you so'. I really hate that line of reasoning.

It works for me.

At least when I end up sitting on a bucket at the stoplight with a sign "will work for food", I really will and not expect money for nothing so I can go buy a 40 ouncer of high octane malt liquor.

Addicts do what addicts do. You are not obliged to contribute to their addiction.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I've seen the welfare folk take their food stamps to the 7-11's and trade em for 50 cents on the dollar so they could play the ponies and buy the crack.

They used to do something similar here in TX in the 1970's and 1980's when Uncle Sugar used to issue food stamps. It was basically printed paper money in various denominations, but it wasn't greenback dollars...it was food stamps. Not real money. I used to watch the welfare weenies go through the supermarket line to buy the bare minimum with the food stamps so they could get real dollars in change. They were only allowed $3 or so in real money change. Mostly change for $5 food stamp denominations. They would do that until they had enough dollar change to buy cigs or beer which they were prohibited to buy with food stamps. It was obvious what they were doing when they went through the line 2 or 3 times. Nobody at the store cared. They weren't the welfare police.

Welfare weenies also used to sell the food stamps for 50 cents (or less) on the dollar to get real money so they could buy what they want without restriction. I grew up with a guy whose family owned a convenience store that took food stamps. He often outright bought the stamps for even less than 50 cents on the dollar to alcoholics and druggies so they could get cash to get their sh*t. He didn't care...he just cashed them in to Uncle Sugar dollar for dollar and made a hefty profit breaking the law. That was the way it was. A lot of fraud. In Houston at that time jobs were plentiful and the people I saw doing this ####### were able bodied. I despised them. It was a sick joke.

Now they have the preloaded debit cards called the Lone Star card. I'm sure it can still be gamed, but not nearly as easy as the paper food stamps. I still see way too many illegal aliens at the local supermarket that get the card because of their anchor babies. Total bullshit. It isn't right and it costs the US taxpayer billions for people that shouldn't be here in the first place and have no legal right to be here, period. The joke continues.

welfare weenies

peejay, I think you've finally gone over the edge...

Laugh all you want to...at least I don't live in a state on the brink of bankruptcy. The joke is on you.

I wish you the best, peejay - that you shall never become physically unable to work and have to collect on welfare to supplement your social security. I hope your company has not and will not squander away your pension, or that your wife doesn't become stricken with some debilitating illness that bankrupts you. Because I can't imagine would a huge pill you'll have to swallow to accept outside help when you need it.

Yes, the world is full of victims that can only be saved by the US government and the US taxpayer. It is futile to even attempt to be self sufficient and independent. We should all roll over and surrender to the inevitable. After all, we are victims. It's not our fault.

This goes back to our discussion about insurance. You pay into insurance in the event that someday if you need that extra help and have no way of paying for those huge medical bills on your own, you collect from the pool of insurance money. When that happens, will that mean you've become a victim and refuse to accept the blame?

[peejay 327]

I've seen the welfare folk take their food stamps to the 7-11's and trade em for 50 cents on the dollar so they could play the ponies and buy the crack.

They used to do something similar here in TX in the 1970's and 1980's when Uncle Sugar used to issue food stamps. It was basically printed paper money in various denominations, but it wasn't greenback dollars...it was food stamps. Not real money. I used to watch the welfare weenies go through the supermarket line to buy the bare minimum with the food stamps so they could get real dollars in change. They were only allowed $3 or so in real money change. Mostly change for $5 food stamp denominations. They would do that until they had enough dollar change to buy cigs or beer which they were prohibited to buy with food stamps. It was obvious what they were doing when they went through the line 2 or 3 times. Nobody at the store cared. They weren't the welfare police.

Welfare weenies also used to sell the food stamps for 50 cents (or less) on the dollar to get real money so they could buy what they want without restriction. I grew up with a guy whose family owned a convenience store that took food stamps. He often outright bought the stamps for even less than 50 cents on the dollar to alcoholics and druggies so they could get cash to get their sh*t. He didn't care...he just cashed them in to Uncle Sugar dollar for dollar and made a hefty profit breaking the law. That was the way it was. A lot of fraud. In Houston at that time jobs were plentiful and the people I saw doing this ####### were able bodied. I despised them. It was a sick joke.

Now they have the preloaded debit cards called the Lone Star card. I'm sure it can still be gamed, but not nearly as easy as the paper food stamps. I still see way too many illegal aliens at the local supermarket that get the card because of their anchor babies. Total bullshit. It isn't right and it costs the US taxpayer billions for people that shouldn't be here in the first place and have no legal right to be here, period. The joke continues.

welfare weenies

peejay, I think you've finally gone over the edge...

Laugh all you want to...at least I don't live in a state on the brink of bankruptcy. The joke is on you.

I wish you the best, peejay - that you shall never become physically unable to work and have to collect on welfare to supplement your social security. I hope your company has not and will not squander away your pension, or that your wife doesn't become stricken with some debilitating illness that bankrupts you. Because I can't imagine would a huge pill you'll have to swallow to accept outside help when you need it.

Yes, the world is full of victims that can only be saved by the US government and the US taxpayer. It is futile to even attempt to be self sufficient and independent. We should all roll over and surrender to the inevitable. After all, we are victims. It's not our fault.

This goes back to our discussion about insurance. You pay into insurance in the event that someday if you need that extra help and have no way of paying for those huge medical bills on your own, you collect from the pool of insurance money. When that happens, will that mean you've become a victim and refuse to accept the blame?

Far from being a victim...I pay premiums, copays, deductibles, etc. It is private sector insurance. I have no problem with government assistance as a last resort as a safety net to the truely needy. My beef is that I think you overstate the true problem as prima facia evidence that we need an all encompassing nanny government to run our lives for us and provide cradle to grave for anyone and everyone. And from what I see from your posts you seem to believe we need to provide for the world and whomever drops by hook or crook. I don't.

There's no such thing as a free lunch and money doesn't grow on trees. Nobody ever said life is easy either. We cannot save the world. God helps those that help themselves. Ain't no guarantees in life. What other answers do you want?

Edited January 17, 2009 by peejay

[Jasman0717 9]

So if you owe California taxes, can you send them an IOU instead of a check?

That works for me

[mRx 16]

Wow, it's not enough that they plunder your wages, but now even when they have determined that they've taken more than their share of your earned income, you can't get the overage back?

Poor California; hopefully other States don't follow suit.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Isn't what the state of CA doing considered stealing?

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Isn't what the state of CA doing considered stealing?

it's not stealing when the government does it.

[aidan80 9]

By Evan Halper , LA Times

Reporting from Sacramento -- State Controller John Chiang announced today that his office would suspend tax refunds, welfare checks, student grants and other payments owed to Californians starting Feb. 1, as a result of the state's cash crisis.

Chiang said he had no choice but to stop making some $3.7 billion in payments in the absence of action by the governor and lawmakers to close the state's nearly $42-billion budget deficit. More than half of those payments are tax refunds.

The controller said the suspended payments could be rolled into IOUs if California still lacked sufficient cash to pay its bills come March or April.

"I take this action with great reluctance," Chiang said at a news conference in his office. But he said that without action to close the deficit, "there is no way to make it through February unscathed."

The payments to be frozen include nearly $2 billion in tax refunds; $300 million in cash grants for needy families and the aged, blind and disabled; and $13 million in grants for college students.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bu...story?track=rss

Arnold the Republican has Terminated the economy... well at least in California!

[DaveHanna 0]

Isn't what the state of CA doing considered stealing?

it's not stealing when the government does it.

So true

[Jasman0717 9]

Reporting from Sacramento -- State Controller John Chiang announced today that his office would suspend tax refunds, welfare checks, student grants and other payments owed to Californians starting Feb. 1, as a result of the state's cash crisis.

I'm not sure what the welfare check thingy is all about, that money comes from the Feds, not the state.