The 3D Plan: Shhhhhhhhh...I Dont Love my Fiance...

[Mykuls Merry Ann 4]

Just an opinion.

My soon to be wife and I had some fun talk last night on the phone.

She went to complete her medical appt and she mentioned to me that

"She found one" lol

I was confused at first what she was talking about, but she told me

about all the gossip between the women at SLEC hospital who were there

for their medical appts. All of them finding out about each others

case...She told me none of them mentioned love for the reason of

marrying and immigrating to the United States, but some had sincere

and good intention to make their marriages work once they got here.

But then she told me about the "one" She was very young maybe 22, and

giggly. And her words were clear...

"I dont love my fiance, I am just doing this because my parents want

me to go to the United States" hehehe

We had talked about these types many times in our relationship, I am

sure most of you can guess, that I was making sure that I was not

being duped myself. lol

This topic will be very long:

Now for the purposes of this thread, we are going to ASSUME that it is

clear that the Pilipina is using the Americano to get the green card

or U.S. citizenship status. We all know that this is not the case

with all or even most Pilipina women and that the majority of Pilipina

women are sincere and come here to marry and live for life with the

person that petitioned them.

But we do see a common trend that seems to be increasing among many

Pilipina women who are using the K-1 visa to come here, and really

have no intention of staying married. Over the past 5 yrs I have done

a lot of reading on Fil-Am relationships, and while decades ago you

would think that this was the perfect match made in heaven for a lot

of people, we now see that things may be breaking down between the two

groups. American people are changing, becoming a lot more

conservative. Philippine culture has changed immensely. Economic

conditions have proven to be the one thing that really supported the

bond between an American man and Pilipina woman. The man wanted a

faithful loving wife, and the woman wanted a good man who could

provide her a good family life. It’s nothing wrong with this either.

Men seek a woman they can trust, and women seek a man who has the

resources to take care of her and any children that may come along.

In the 70s and 80s it seemed to have worked well. If you look around

America you can see older couples that have succeeded from this era in

marriage. About 5 yrs ago I was in a mall and I saw an old

couple...both of them had to be in their 60s. The man was American,

and his wife Pilipina. What was amazing is that right there in the

mall this older couple was holding hands. Wow, what a good thing to see!

But lets be honest, the new Philippine culture has changed a lot over

the past few decades. Since the bases closed there in 1992, we see

that the culture has changed both for the better, and some for the

worst. The economic conditions seem to be bad in the Philippines,

many people who are from the Philippines are working abroad or have a

family member(s) that are working abroad.

So while the economic status of the Philippines looks bad on the

inside economy, many people inside the Philippines may not be hurting

as bad as it looks on paper. Most money flows from other countries

into the Philippines to support the people. The trend of people

having to leave the Philippines for sake of making money has birthed

all kinds of options to the younger generation inside the country. The

internet has also opened a new door for some Pilipino people to make

money from other countries, and to secure new relationships that may

help them immigrate to the United States and other developed

countries. It has also birthed a new culture of people who use the

internet to create scams, and steal from innocent people who are

seeking real relationships or help them.

This brings me to one particular scammer, that uncommon Pilipina who

sits in the Philippines and wants to leave that country and is willing

to lower herself to do it any way possible. She lives on the internet

like its a job. She may seek only status in a new country and is

willing to use someone to achieve it. She flirts and talks with many

men online at one time, she is fishing for the big catch, and waits

until the right fish catches the hook. She is not really interested

in marriage at all. She just wants to get out of that country any way

she can. Meanwhile while she is fishing, she can use the other

smaller fish to help her have some income there in the Philippines.

Many changes in Philippine culture like this one, has not been caught

on by many American men. Many American men who don’t know much about

the Philippines are easily fooled by the scams in the country. She

may tell you a family member is sick and needs medical help. You have

no way of knowing for sure. Also many of the images that are put

forth of the Pilipina today is falsely tied to the old Pilipina who

was more traditional and who had strong family values. What baffles

me is how so many American men refuse to see that the Philippines has

changed from its more traditional ways. This change took place a long

long time ago.

Anyway once the Pilipina achieves finding that man to petition her and

she makes it to the United States via K-1 visa, is when things start

to get tricky. So I am going to inform some of these men as to what I

have seen with my own eyes and what i have heard, and what i know to

be true. Some of it may not make you happy.

The Pilipina who has made it to the United States via K-1 visa and is

now married but she only did it for the sake of a green card or

citizenship status and do not want to be married or stay married, what

are her options? Now I am not saying what she is doing is right, we

all know it's not right. In fact this is fraud. We should be realistic

that this is fraud and is rarely caught, and it is not easy to catch.

But what is her next move after she secures the marriage in the U.S.?

This is where it becomes tricky, but very dangerous.

Most of us have seen this openly discussed right here on the

Internet among Pilipinas giving advice to each other. As one

Pilipina’s post states she commonly says:

“I don’t love my husband. I am worried that I may get deported. How

can I stay in the United States?”

The replies to this post have a major contrast between the American

men, who rarely even reply to these posts and the Pilipina women who

are already in the United States who will give sometimes unethical

advice about how to achieve such goal.

The American men often recommend that she go back to her country and

come back the right way if she has not achieved status yet. But the

Pilipina women will give some very interesting advice that clearly

shows the plan about how a woman can come to the United States using a

K-1 visa for the sake of just getting a green card or citizenship Status.

I have read several posts as to what is often called the 3-D plan as

to how to stay in the United States and leave your marriage. I

realized this was the door that attracts some Pilipinas sitting in the

Philippines who are looking to leave the Philippines and use the

internet to look for a victim, to help them achieve it.

What does the 3-D plan consists of?

The 3-D plan is for the one who wants to come to the U.S. but wants to

not be married, but chooses to use marriage for the sake of getting

here. It can also be used for a Pilipina who honestly came to the

United States to marry but the marriage did not work out, but wants to

stay in the United States. One would question why someone would come

to a foreign country for love, and the love does not work out, why

they would want to stay and not go back to their own country.

How can you really tell the difference? You really don't know which

is the scammer and which is sincere. The 3-D plan consists of

Divorce, Domestic Violence, and Delay. So what does she do when she

gets to the United States and is now ready to move away from her

husband? She has 3 options, at her disposal, and some of them can

prove to be lethal to the victim petitioner:

Divorce

Divorce is the more likely option for most of them. But in order to

get that divorce, they need time in the marriage, and they need to

convince their husbands to divorce them too. While they can file for

divorce, they must have some cause for it. This may cause a serious

volatile situation in the home and marriage and can be dangerous in a

marriage. She could be causing dilemmas and conflict in the home and

conflict between the two of them, soon after she arrives. She could

ignore the spouse, or refuse any intimacy between the two of them. I

have seen this act happen in real life. But the result did not turn

out so well for the Pilipina this time.

Domestic Violence

This one is tricky and is not very likely to be an option for most

Pilipina women. This kind of conflict is not one that feels good to

any Pilipina. But this one is extremely dangerous and can cause

someone to get hurt. While we all know something about DV, we all

know that no man (or woman) should ever hit or abuse someone in a

marriage. Most men understand this from childhood. But there are

some men that hit. There are some women that hit too. But when a man

hits, it’s likely to cause more destruction and pain. So in America

we have strong solid laws that mostly protect women from Domestic

Violence. VAWA laws have been set to protect women in order to

decrease violence between men and women. We need these laws because a

man is much stronger than a woman and can cause more damage in a

physical conflict. But Domestic Violence goes a lot farther in that

one can also be mentally, verbally and emotionally abused by a spouse

as well. So things can get tricky here in a marriage and if someone

is accused of DV, their life can be ruined.

But VAWA laws can also open a door for a devious woman, and

occasionally a scheming man to gain leverage in a marriage and to give

cause to a divorce. My honest opinion, this is the worst and the most

dangerous advice that can be given to a Pilipina who is coming here

and wishes to achieve independence and American citizenship. But if

you look around you can see this advice is freely handed out as a way

to “sneak in.” While most cases of DV are true and genuine, there are

a lot of cases where the spouse (especially women) can provoke or lie

about DV. This causes a highly volatile situation in the home and in

the marriage that can cause someone to get hurt. Even children can be

caught in the crossfire or even used as pawns to achieve the false

accusation of abuse. This can hurt the man greatly who gets falsely

accused of this. Just remember that a pilipina who comes here

strictly for the reasons of gaining citizenship or a green card has

this option open to her, if she gets too desperate it is likely she

may try such a scheme in the marriage. While this is the extreme of

her options, please realize that its there at her disposal. Keep in

mind that DV is not just you hitting her; it means just a tiny

incident that you may have not initiated. It can be a physical or

verbal exchange. It can be spanking your stepchild. It can be a

simple gesture that you called her a name. One visit from the police

to your home can ruin your life. BE CAREFUL! I have seen it with my

own eyes.

It is important that all petitioners (male and female) are aware that

this tactic can be used against them and if so, to immediately remove

and separate themselves from the person that may attempt this. Bottom

line is you have to move away. If she is attempting to intentionally

cause conflict, both of you cannot stay in the same home without any

witnesses there. Even if there are witnesses it is not good for you

both to be in close proximity of one another. If they won’t leave,

you must leave. You are vulnerable to be accused of something that can

destroy your life. I speak to the men mostly on this issue.

Delay

The last option open to this Pilipina is to delay and play the role of

married wife until she gains enough status to guarantee her stay in

the United States. This is the more likely option. If she can bear

living with the man, and is willing to play the role long enough, then

she can achieve better status, and make a divorce look like she gave

an honest try to make it work. Delaying can cause issues for the

petitioners as well, because the investment into the marriage has

settled in a lot more after 2 or 3 years. A divorce may put the

petitioner in the position to may have to pay child support for kids

he may have adopted and even alimony. But if the Pilipina just wants

to be free of the marriage, she may not even seek any of this. Guys

be careful!!!

I am not doing this thread to make petitioners scared, but I think its

important that they think a lot more before they decide to bring the

poor, destitute helpless young pilipina to the United States. You

need to know that she is not out in some field working the crops for

14 hours a day, and barely making enough money to feed her or the

family. While the Philippines is a poor country, it is more likely to

be more of a welfare state, rather than a really poor country. There

is a huge difference between some countries in South Africa and the

Philippines. If you want to see a good example of what the

Philippines is, take a tour of our tough crime neighborhoods and

ghettos here in America. That is mostly what you get in PI.

Comments Please!

[Laura+Tom 2]

Am I too early for

[Nagishkaw 510]

Am I too early for

Never.

[tmma 467]

wow- You make it sound so common place....Are you sure you want to run the risk? What are you posting this for? There are scammers from every country-even *gasp* the USA! Oh and plz stop calling them Pilipina. It's Filipina.

[faryan 4]

wow- You make it sound so common place....Are you sure you want to run the risk? What are you posting this for? There are scammers from every country-even *gasp* the USA! Oh and plz stop calling them Pilipina. It's Filipina.

i think filipina is the english way. many locals and people familiar with them do call them/themselves pilipina.

[tmma 467]

wow- You make it sound so common place....Are you sure you want to run the risk? What are you posting this for? There are scammers from every country-even *gasp* the USA! Oh and plz stop calling them Pilipina. It's Filipina.

i think filipina is the english way. many locals and people familiar with them do call them/themselves pilipina.

Well, I stand corrected on that! Still wondering why the O/P posted this at all, though. I mean, isn't HIS fiancee from there?

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

Am I too early for

is that salted or unsalted?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Michael,

I'm not sure what to say, but of course fraud happens and there certainly are red flags that both the USC and the CO should look for, but I seriously doubt that a young woman with any real job skills or education is going to be plotting any of those 3D's you mentioned. Chances are, if she comes from a very poor family and has no job, she may very well look to marriage as way out, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's fraudulent or that her emotional intentions aren't sincere. I think the Embassy in Manila has a pretty good way of determining which relationships are bonafide....some may fall through the cracks, but that's because there's just no sure way of stopping all fraud.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Mister Fancypants

[Laura+Tom 2]

Am I too early for

is that salted or unsalted?

Caramel?

[pcana 0]

Just an opinion.

My soon to be wife and I had some fun talk last night on the phone.

She went to complete her medical appt and she mentioned to me that

"She found one" lol

I was confused at first what she was talking about, but she told me

about all the gossip between the women at SLEC hospital who were there

for their medical appts. All of them finding out about each others

case...She told me none of them mentioned love for the reason of

marrying and immigrating to the United States, but some had sincere

and good intention to make their marriages work once they got here.

But then she told me about the "one" She was very young maybe 22, and

giggly. And her words were clear...

"I dont love my fiance, I am just doing this because my parents want

me to go to the United States" hehehe

We had talked about these types many times in our relationship, I am

sure most of you can guess, that I was making sure that I was not

being duped myself. lol

This topic will be very long:

Now for the purposes of this thread, we are going to ASSUME that it is

clear that the Pilipina is using the Americano to get the green card

or U.S. citizenship status. We all know that this is not the case

with all or even most Pilipina women and that the majority of Pilipina

women are sincere and come here to marry and live for life with the

person that petitioned them.

But we do see a common trend that seems to be increasing among many

Pilipina women who are using the K-1 visa to come here, and really

have no intention of staying married. Over the past 5 yrs I have done

a lot of reading on Fil-Am relationships, and while decades ago you

would think that this was the perfect match made in heaven for a lot

of people, we now see that things may be breaking down between the two

groups. American people are changing, becoming a lot more

conservative. Philippine culture has changed immensely. Economic

conditions have proven to be the one thing that really supported the

bond between an American man and Pilipina woman. The man wanted a

faithful loving wife, and the woman wanted a good man who could

provide her a good family life. It’s nothing wrong with this either.

Men seek a woman they can trust, and women seek a man who has the

resources to take care of her and any children that may come along.

In the 70s and 80s it seemed to have worked well. If you look around

America you can see older couples that have succeeded from this era in

marriage. About 5 yrs ago I was in a mall and I saw an old

couple...both of them had to be in their 60s. The man was American,

and his wife Pilipina. What was amazing is that right there in the

mall this older couple was holding hands. Wow, what a good thing to see!

But lets be honest, the new Philippine culture has changed a lot over

the past few decades. Since the bases closed there in 1992, we see

that the culture has changed both for the better, and some for the

worst. The economic conditions seem to be bad in the Philippines,

many people who are from the Philippines are working abroad or have a

family member(s) that are working abroad.

So while the economic status of the Philippines looks bad on the

inside economy, many people inside the Philippines may not be hurting

as bad as it looks on paper. Most money flows from other countries

into the Philippines to support the people. The trend of people

having to leave the Philippines for sake of making money has birthed

all kinds of options to the younger generation inside the country. The

internet has also opened a new door for some Pilipino people to make

money from other countries, and to secure new relationships that may

help them immigrate to the United States and other developed

countries. It has also birthed a new culture of people who use the

internet to create scams, and steal from innocent people who are

seeking real relationships or help them.

This brings me to one particular scammer, that uncommon Pilipina who

sits in the Philippines and wants to leave that country and is willing

to lower herself to do it any way possible. She lives on the internet

like its a job. She may seek only status in a new country and is

willing to use someone to achieve it. She flirts and talks with many

men online at one time, she is fishing for the big catch, and waits

until the right fish catches the hook. She is not really interested

in marriage at all. She just wants to get out of that country any way

she can. Meanwhile while she is fishing, she can use the other

smaller fish to help her have some income there in the Philippines.

Many changes in Philippine culture like this one, has not been caught

on by many American men. Many American men who don’t know much about

the Philippines are easily fooled by the scams in the country. She

may tell you a family member is sick and needs medical help. You have

no way of knowing for sure. Also many of the images that are put

forth of the Pilipina today is falsely tied to the old Pilipina who

was more traditional and who had strong family values. What baffles

me is how so many American men refuse to see that the Philippines has

changed from its more traditional ways. This change took place a long

long time ago.

Anyway once the Pilipina achieves finding that man to petition her and

she makes it to the United States via K-1 visa, is when things start

to get tricky. So I am going to inform some of these men as to what I

have seen with my own eyes and what i have heard, and what i know to

be true. Some of it may not make you happy.

The Pilipina who has made it to the United States via K-1 visa and is

now married but she only did it for the sake of a green card or

citizenship status and do not want to be married or stay married, what

are her options? Now I am not saying what she is doing is right, we

all know it's not right. In fact this is fraud. We should be realistic

that this is fraud and is rarely caught, and it is not easy to catch.

But what is her next move after she secures the marriage in the U.S.?

This is where it becomes tricky, but very dangerous.

Most of us have seen this openly discussed right here on the

Internet among Pilipinas giving advice to each other. As one

Pilipina’s post states she commonly says:

“I don’t love my husband. I am worried that I may get deported. How

can I stay in the United States?”

The replies to this post have a major contrast between the American

men, who rarely even reply to these posts and the Pilipina women who

are already in the United States who will give sometimes unethical

advice about how to achieve such goal.

The American men often recommend that she go back to her country and

come back the right way if she has not achieved status yet. But the

Pilipina women will give some very interesting advice that clearly

shows the plan about how a woman can come to the United States using a

K-1 visa for the sake of just getting a green card or citizenship Status.

I have read several posts as to what is often called the 3-D plan as

to how to stay in the United States and leave your marriage. I

realized this was the door that attracts some Pilipinas sitting in the

Philippines who are looking to leave the Philippines and use the

internet to look for a victim, to help them achieve it.

What does the 3-D plan consists of?

The 3-D plan is for the one who wants to come to the U.S. but wants to

not be married, but chooses to use marriage for the sake of getting

here. It can also be used for a Pilipina who honestly came to the

United States to marry but the marriage did not work out, but wants to

stay in the United States. One would question why someone would come

to a foreign country for love, and the love does not work out, why

they would want to stay and not go back to their own country.

How can you really tell the difference? You really don't know which

is the scammer and which is sincere. The 3-D plan consists of

Divorce, Domestic Violence, and Delay. So what does she do when she

gets to the United States and is now ready to move away from her

husband? She has 3 options, at her disposal, and some of them can

prove to be lethal to the victim petitioner:

Divorce

Divorce is the more likely option for most of them. But in order to

get that divorce, they need time in the marriage, and they need to

convince their husbands to divorce them too. While they can file for

divorce, they must have some cause for it. This may cause a serious

volatile situation in the home and marriage and can be dangerous in a

marriage. She could be causing dilemmas and conflict in the home and

conflict between the two of them, soon after she arrives. She could

ignore the spouse, or refuse any intimacy between the two of them. I

have seen this act happen in real life. But the result did not turn

out so well for the Pilipina this time.

Domestic Violence

This one is tricky and is not very likely to be an option for most

Pilipina women. This kind of conflict is not one that feels good to

any Pilipina. But this one is extremely dangerous and can cause

someone to get hurt. While we all know something about DV, we all

know that no man (or woman) should ever hit or abuse someone in a

marriage. Most men understand this from childhood. But there are

some men that hit. There are some women that hit too. But when a man

hits, it’s likely to cause more destruction and pain. So in America

we have strong solid laws that mostly protect women from Domestic

Violence. VAWA laws have been set to protect women in order to

decrease violence between men and women. We need these laws because a

man is much stronger than a woman and can cause more damage in a

physical conflict. But Domestic Violence goes a lot farther in that

one can also be mentally, verbally and emotionally abused by a spouse

as well. So things can get tricky here in a marriage and if someone

is accused of DV, their life can be ruined.

But VAWA laws can also open a door for a devious woman, and

occasionally a scheming man to gain leverage in a marriage and to give

cause to a divorce. My honest opinion, this is the worst and the most

dangerous advice that can be given to a Pilipina who is coming here

and wishes to achieve independence and American citizenship. But if

you look around you can see this advice is freely handed out as a way

to “sneak in.” While most cases of DV are true and genuine, there are

a lot of cases where the spouse (especially women) can provoke or lie

about DV. This causes a highly volatile situation in the home and in

the marriage that can cause someone to get hurt. Even children can be

caught in the crossfire or even used as pawns to achieve the false

accusation of abuse. This can hurt the man greatly who gets falsely

accused of this. Just remember that a pilipina who comes here

strictly for the reasons of gaining citizenship or a green card has

this option open to her, if she gets too desperate it is likely she

may try such a scheme in the marriage. While this is the extreme of

her options, please realize that its there at her disposal. Keep in

mind that DV is not just you hitting her; it means just a tiny

incident that you may have not initiated. It can be a physical or

verbal exchange. It can be spanking your stepchild. It can be a

simple gesture that you called her a name. One visit from the police

to your home can ruin your life. BE CAREFUL! I have seen it with my

own eyes.

It is important that all petitioners (male and female) are aware that

this tactic can be used against them and if so, to immediately remove

and separate themselves from the person that may attempt this. Bottom

line is you have to move away. If she is attempting to intentionally

cause conflict, both of you cannot stay in the same home without any

witnesses there. Even if there are witnesses it is not good for you

both to be in close proximity of one another. If they won’t leave,

you must leave. You are vulnerable to be accused of something that can

destroy your life. I speak to the men mostly on this issue.

Delay

The last option open to this Pilipina is to delay and play the role of

married wife until she gains enough status to guarantee her stay in

the United States. This is the more likely option. If she can bear

living with the man, and is willing to play the role long enough, then

she can achieve better status, and make a divorce look like she gave

an honest try to make it work. Delaying can cause issues for the

petitioners as well, because the investment into the marriage has

settled in a lot more after 2 or 3 years. A divorce may put the

petitioner in the position to may have to pay child support for kids

he may have adopted and even alimony. But if the Pilipina just wants

to be free of the marriage, she may not even seek any of this. Guys

be careful!!!

I am not doing this thread to make petitioners scared, but I think its

important that they think a lot more before they decide to bring the

poor, destitute helpless young pilipina to the United States. You

need to know that she is not out in some field working the crops for

14 hours a day, and barely making enough money to feed her or the

family. While the Philippines is a poor country, it is more likely to

be more of a welfare state, rather than a really poor country. There

is a huge difference between some countries in South Africa and the

Philippines. If you want to see a good example of what the

Philippines is, take a tour of our tough crime neighborhoods and

ghettos here in America. That is mostly what you get in PI.

Comments Please!what the

Philippines is, take a tour of our tough crime neighborhoods and

ghettos here in America. That is mostly what you get

And you're 100% sure you're not one of the victims right? you sound like your fiance is the only one who'd never do such a thing but every other young filipina is out there to scam Americans.

Before giving advice to others make sure about your own relationship and don't rely only on what you fiance "HEARD" at Slec.

Oh and for you to say that most of the philipines are like the gettos or crime neighborhoods in america is totally ignorant from your part, I've been in the philipines twice and the places I went are beautiful!!!! nothing like you describing here.

[F23 0]

Just an opinion.

My soon to be wife and I had some fun talk last night on the phone.

She went to complete her medical appt and she mentioned to me that

"She found one" lol

I was confused at first what she was talking about, but she told me

about all the gossip between the women at SLEC hospital who were there

for their medical appts. All of them finding out about each others

case...She told me none of them mentioned love for the reason of

marrying and immigrating to the United States, but some had sincere

and good intention to make their marriages work once they got here.

But then she told me about the "one" She was very young maybe 22, and

giggly. And her words were clear...

"I dont love my fiance, I am just doing this because my parents want

me to go to the United States" hehehe

We had talked about these types many times in our relationship, I am

sure most of you can guess, that I was making sure that I was not

being duped myself. lol

This topic will be very long:

Now for the purposes of this thread, we are going to ASSUME that it is

clear that the Pilipina is using the Americano to get the green card

or U.S. citizenship status. We all know that this is not the case

with all or even most Pilipina women and that the majority of Pilipina

women are sincere and come here to marry and live for life with the

person that petitioned them.

But we do see a common trend that seems to be increasing among many

Pilipina women who are using the K-1 visa to come here, and really

have no intention of staying married. Over the past 5 yrs I have done

a lot of reading on Fil-Am relationships, and while decades ago you

would think that this was the perfect match made in heaven for a lot

of people, we now see that things may be breaking down between the two

groups. American people are changing, becoming a lot more

conservative. Philippine culture has changed immensely. Economic

conditions have proven to be the one thing that really supported the

bond between an American man and Pilipina woman. The man wanted a

faithful loving wife, and the woman wanted a good man who could

provide her a good family life. It’s nothing wrong with this either.

Men seek a woman they can trust, and women seek a man who has the

resources to take care of her and any children that may come along.

In the 70s and 80s it seemed to have worked well. If you look around

America you can see older couples that have succeeded from this era in

marriage. About 5 yrs ago I was in a mall and I saw an old

couple...both of them had to be in their 60s. The man was American,

and his wife Pilipina. What was amazing is that right there in the

mall this older couple was holding hands. Wow, what a good thing to see!

But lets be honest, the new Philippine culture has changed a lot over

the past few decades. Since the bases closed there in 1992, we see

that the culture has changed both for the better, and some for the

worst. The economic conditions seem to be bad in the Philippines,

many people who are from the Philippines are working abroad or have a

family member(s) that are working abroad.

So while the economic status of the Philippines looks bad on the

inside economy, many people inside the Philippines may not be hurting

as bad as it looks on paper. Most money flows from other countries

into the Philippines to support the people. The trend of people

having to leave the Philippines for sake of making money has birthed

all kinds of options to the younger generation inside the country. The

internet has also opened a new door for some Pilipino people to make

money from other countries, and to secure new relationships that may

help them immigrate to the United States and other developed

countries. It has also birthed a new culture of people who use the

internet to create scams, and steal from innocent people who are

seeking real relationships or help them.

This brings me to one particular scammer, that uncommon Pilipina who

sits in the Philippines and wants to leave that country and is willing

to lower herself to do it any way possible. She lives on the internet

like its a job. She may seek only status in a new country and is

willing to use someone to achieve it. She flirts and talks with many

men online at one time, she is fishing for the big catch, and waits

until the right fish catches the hook. She is not really interested

in marriage at all. She just wants to get out of that country any way

she can. Meanwhile while she is fishing, she can use the other

smaller fish to help her have some income there in the Philippines.

Many changes in Philippine culture like this one, has not been caught

on by many American men. Many American men who don’t know much about

the Philippines are easily fooled by the scams in the country. She

may tell you a family member is sick and needs medical help. You have

no way of knowing for sure. Also many of the images that are put

forth of the Pilipina today is falsely tied to the old Pilipina who

was more traditional and who had strong family values. What baffles

me is how so many American men refuse to see that the Philippines has

changed from its more traditional ways. This change took place a long

long time ago.

Anyway once the Pilipina achieves finding that man to petition her and

she makes it to the United States via K-1 visa, is when things start

to get tricky. So I am going to inform some of these men as to what I

have seen with my own eyes and what i have heard, and what i know to

be true. Some of it may not make you happy.

The Pilipina who has made it to the United States via K-1 visa and is

now married but she only did it for the sake of a green card or

citizenship status and do not want to be married or stay married, what

are her options? Now I am not saying what she is doing is right, we

all know it's not right. In fact this is fraud. We should be realistic

that this is fraud and is rarely caught, and it is not easy to catch.

But what is her next move after she secures the marriage in the U.S.?

This is where it becomes tricky, but very dangerous.

Most of us have seen this openly discussed right here on the

Internet among Pilipinas giving advice to each other. As one

Pilipina’s post states she commonly says:

“I don’t love my husband. I am worried that I may get deported. How

can I stay in the United States?”

The replies to this post have a major contrast between the American

men, who rarely even reply to these posts and the Pilipina women who

are already in the United States who will give sometimes unethical

advice about how to achieve such goal.

The American men often recommend that she go back to her country and

come back the right way if she has not achieved status yet. But the

Pilipina women will give some very interesting advice that clearly

shows the plan about how a woman can come to the United States using a

K-1 visa for the sake of just getting a green card or citizenship Status.

I have read several posts as to what is often called the 3-D plan as

to how to stay in the United States and leave your marriage. I

realized this was the door that attracts some Pilipinas sitting in the

Philippines who are looking to leave the Philippines and use the

internet to look for a victim, to help them achieve it.

What does the 3-D plan consists of?

The 3-D plan is for the one who wants to come to the U.S. but wants to

not be married, but chooses to use marriage for the sake of getting

here. It can also be used for a Pilipina who honestly came to the

United States to marry but the marriage did not work out, but wants to

stay in the United States. One would question why someone would come

to a foreign country for love, and the love does not work out, why

they would want to stay and not go back to their own country.

How can you really tell the difference? You really don't know which

is the scammer and which is sincere. The 3-D plan consists of

Divorce, Domestic Violence, and Delay. So what does she do when she

gets to the United States and is now ready to move away from her

husband? She has 3 options, at her disposal, and some of them can

prove to be lethal to the victim petitioner:

Divorce

Divorce is the more likely option for most of them. But in order to

get that divorce, they need time in the marriage, and they need to

convince their husbands to divorce them too. While they can file for

divorce, they must have some cause for it. This may cause a serious

volatile situation in the home and marriage and can be dangerous in a

marriage. She could be causing dilemmas and conflict in the home and

conflict between the two of them, soon after she arrives. She could

ignore the spouse, or refuse any intimacy between the two of them. I

have seen this act happen in real life. But the result did not turn

out so well for the Pilipina this time.

Domestic Violence

This one is tricky and is not very likely to be an option for most

Pilipina women. This kind of conflict is not one that feels good to

any Pilipina. But this one is extremely dangerous and can cause

someone to get hurt. While we all know something about DV, we all

know that no man (or woman) should ever hit or abuse someone in a

marriage. Most men understand this from childhood. But there are

some men that hit. There are some women that hit too. But when a man

hits, it’s likely to cause more destruction and pain. So in America

we have strong solid laws that mostly protect women from Domestic

Violence. VAWA laws have been set to protect women in order to

decrease violence between men and women. We need these laws because a

man is much stronger than a woman and can cause more damage in a

physical conflict. But Domestic Violence goes a lot farther in that

one can also be mentally, verbally and emotionally abused by a spouse

as well. So things can get tricky here in a marriage and if someone

is accused of DV, their life can be ruined.

But VAWA laws can also open a door for a devious woman, and

occasionally a scheming man to gain leverage in a marriage and to give

cause to a divorce. My honest opinion, this is the worst and the most

dangerous advice that can be given to a Pilipina who is coming here

and wishes to achieve independence and American citizenship. But if

you look around you can see this advice is freely handed out as a way

to “sneak in.” While most cases of DV are true and genuine, there are

a lot of cases where the spouse (especially women) can provoke or lie

about DV. This causes a highly volatile situation in the home and in

the marriage that can cause someone to get hurt. Even children can be

caught in the crossfire or even used as pawns to achieve the false

accusation of abuse. This can hurt the man greatly who gets falsely

accused of this. Just remember that a pilipina who comes here

strictly for the reasons of gaining citizenship or a green card has

this option open to her, if she gets too desperate it is likely she

may try such a scheme in the marriage. While this is the extreme of

her options, please realize that its there at her disposal. Keep in

mind that DV is not just you hitting her; it means just a tiny

incident that you may have not initiated. It can be a physical or

verbal exchange. It can be spanking your stepchild. It can be a

simple gesture that you called her a name. One visit from the police

to your home can ruin your life. BE CAREFUL! I have seen it with my

own eyes.

It is important that all petitioners (male and female) are aware that

this tactic can be used against them and if so, to immediately remove

and separate themselves from the person that may attempt this. Bottom

line is you have to move away. If she is attempting to intentionally

cause conflict, both of you cannot stay in the same home without any

witnesses there. Even if there are witnesses it is not good for you

both to be in close proximity of one another. If they won’t leave,

you must leave. You are vulnerable to be accused of something that can

destroy your life. I speak to the men mostly on this issue.

Delay

The last option open to this Pilipina is to delay and play the role of

married wife until she gains enough status to guarantee her stay in

the United States. This is the more likely option. If she can bear

living with the man, and is willing to play the role long enough, then

she can achieve better status, and make a divorce look like she gave

an honest try to make it work. Delaying can cause issues for the

petitioners as well, because the investment into the marriage has

settled in a lot more after 2 or 3 years. A divorce may put the

petitioner in the position to may have to pay child support for kids

he may have adopted and even alimony. But if the Pilipina just wants

to be free of the marriage, she may not even seek any of this. Guys

be careful!!!

I am not doing this thread to make petitioners scared, but I think its

important that they think a lot more before they decide to bring the

poor, destitute helpless young pilipina to the United States. You

need to know that she is not out in some field working the crops for

14 hours a day, and barely making enough money to feed her or the

family. While the Philippines is a poor country, it is more likely to

be more of a welfare state, rather than a really poor country. There

is a huge difference between some countries in South Africa and the

Philippines. If you want to see a good example of what the

Philippines is, take a tour of our tough crime neighborhoods and

ghettos here in America. That is mostly what you get in PI.

Comments Please!

I'm Filipina not Pilipina it sounds Bisaya! lol...wow! i've read all of your lines here! but let me ask you a question: since you were also filing a petition how can you make sure or determined if your girl is not belong to those scammers Pilipina(FILIPINA)?

I salute you! black men are tough than white men like my husband.wew!

[F23 0]

Just an opinion.

My soon to be wife and I had some fun talk last night on the phone.

She went to complete her medical appt and she mentioned to me that

"She found one" lol

I was confused at first what she was talking about, but she told me

about all the gossip between the women at SLEC hospital who were there

for their medical appts. All of them finding out about each others

case...She told me none of them mentioned love for the reason of

marrying and immigrating to the United States, but some had sincere

and good intention to make their marriages work once they got here.

But then she told me about the "one" She was very young maybe 22, and

giggly. And her words were clear...

"I dont love my fiance, I am just doing this because my parents want

me to go to the United States" hehehe

We had talked about these types many times in our relationship, I am

sure most of you can guess, that I was making sure that I was not

being duped myself. lol

This topic will be very long:

Now for the purposes of this thread, we are going to ASSUME that it is

clear that the Pilipina is using the Americano to get the green card

or U.S. citizenship status. We all know that this is not the case

with all or even most Pilipina women and that the majority of Pilipina

women are sincere and come here to marry and live for life with the

person that petitioned them.

But we do see a common trend that seems to be increasing among many

Pilipina women who are using the K-1 visa to come here, and really

have no intention of staying married. Over the past 5 yrs I have done

a lot of reading on Fil-Am relationships, and while decades ago you

would think that this was the perfect match made in heaven for a lot

of people, we now see that things may be breaking down between the two

groups. American people are changing, becoming a lot more

conservative. Philippine culture has changed immensely. Economic

conditions have proven to be the one thing that really supported the

bond between an American man and Pilipina woman. The man wanted a

faithful loving wife, and the woman wanted a good man who could

provide her a good family life. It’s nothing wrong with this either.

Men seek a woman they can trust, and women seek a man who has the

resources to take care of her and any children that may come along.

In the 70s and 80s it seemed to have worked well. If you look around

America you can see older couples that have succeeded from this era in

marriage. About 5 yrs ago I was in a mall and I saw an old

couple...both of them had to be in their 60s. The man was American,

and his wife Pilipina. What was amazing is that right there in the

mall this older couple was holding hands. Wow, what a good thing to see!

But lets be honest, the new Philippine culture has changed a lot over

the past few decades. Since the bases closed there in 1992, we see

that the culture has changed both for the better, and some for the

worst. The economic conditions seem to be bad in the Philippines,

many people who are from the Philippines are working abroad or have a

family member(s) that are working abroad.

So while the economic status of the Philippines looks bad on the

inside economy, many people inside the Philippines may not be hurting

as bad as it looks on paper. Most money flows from other countries

into the Philippines to support the people. The trend of people

having to leave the Philippines for sake of making money has birthed

all kinds of options to the younger generation inside the country. The

internet has also opened a new door for some Pilipino people to make

money from other countries, and to secure new relationships that may

help them immigrate to the United States and other developed

countries. It has also birthed a new culture of people who use the

internet to create scams, and steal from innocent people who are

seeking real relationships or help them.

This brings me to one particular scammer, that uncommon Pilipina who

sits in the Philippines and wants to leave that country and is willing

to lower herself to do it any way possible. She lives on the internet

like its a job. She may seek only status in a new country and is

willing to use someone to achieve it. She flirts and talks with many

men online at one time, she is fishing for the big catch, and waits

until the right fish catches the hook. She is not really interested

in marriage at all. She just wants to get out of that country any way

she can. Meanwhile while she is fishing, she can use the other

smaller fish to help her have some income there in the Philippines.

Many changes in Philippine culture like this one, has not been caught

on by many American men. Many American men who don’t know much about

the Philippines are easily fooled by the scams in the country. She

may tell you a family member is sick and needs medical help. You have

no way of knowing for sure. Also many of the images that are put

forth of the Pilipina today is falsely tied to the old Pilipina who

was more traditional and who had strong family values. What baffles

me is how so many American men refuse to see that the Philippines has

changed from its more traditional ways. This change took place a long

long time ago.

Anyway once the Pilipina achieves finding that man to petition her and

she makes it to the United States via K-1 visa, is when things start

to get tricky. So I am going to inform some of these men as to what I

have seen with my own eyes and what i have heard, and what i know to

be true. Some of it may not make you happy.

The Pilipina who has made it to the United States via K-1 visa and is

now married but she only did it for the sake of a green card or

citizenship status and do not want to be married or stay married, what

are her options? Now I am not saying what she is doing is right, we

all know it's not right. In fact this is fraud. We should be realistic

that this is fraud and is rarely caught, and it is not easy to catch.

But what is her next move after she secures the marriage in the U.S.?

This is where it becomes tricky, but very dangerous.

Most of us have seen this openly discussed right here on the

Internet among Pilipinas giving advice to each other. As one

Pilipina’s post states she commonly says:

“I don’t love my husband. I am worried that I may get deported. How

can I stay in the United States?”

The replies to this post have a major contrast between the American

men, who rarely even reply to these posts and the Pilipina women who

are already in the United States who will give sometimes unethical

advice about how to achieve such goal.

The American men often recommend that she go back to her country and

come back the right way if she has not achieved status yet. But the

Pilipina women will give some very interesting advice that clearly

shows the plan about how a woman can come to the United States using a

K-1 visa for the sake of just getting a green card or citizenship Status.

I have read several posts as to what is often called the 3-D plan as

to how to stay in the United States and leave your marriage. I

realized this was the door that attracts some Pilipinas sitting in the

Philippines who are looking to leave the Philippines and use the

internet to look for a victim, to help them achieve it.

What does the 3-D plan consists of?

The 3-D plan is for the one who wants to come to the U.S. but wants to

not be married, but chooses to use marriage for the sake of getting

here. It can also be used for a Pilipina who honestly came to the

United States to marry but the marriage did not work out, but wants to

stay in the United States. One would question why someone would come

to a foreign country for love, and the love does not work out, why

they would want to stay and not go back to their own country.

How can you really tell the difference? You really don't know which

is the scammer and which is sincere. The 3-D plan consists of

Divorce, Domestic Violence, and Delay. So what does she do when she

gets to the United States and is now ready to move away from her

husband? She has 3 options, at her disposal, and some of them can

prove to be lethal to the victim petitioner:

Divorce

Divorce is the more likely option for most of them. But in order to

get that divorce, they need time in the marriage, and they need to

convince their husbands to divorce them too. While they can file for

divorce, they must have some cause for it. This may cause a serious

volatile situation in the home and marriage and can be dangerous in a

marriage. She could be causing dilemmas and conflict in the home and

conflict between the two of them, soon after she arrives. She could

ignore the spouse, or refuse any intimacy between the two of them. I

have seen this act happen in real life. But the result did not turn

out so well for the Pilipina this time.

Domestic Violence

This one is tricky and is not very likely to be an option for most

Pilipina women. This kind of conflict is not one that feels good to

any Pilipina. But this one is extremely dangerous and can cause

someone to get hurt. While we all know something about DV, we all

know that no man (or woman) should ever hit or abuse someone in a

marriage. Most men understand this from childhood. But there are

some men that hit. There are some women that hit too. But when a man

hits, it’s likely to cause more destruction and pain. So in America

we have strong solid laws that mostly protect women from Domestic

Violence. VAWA laws have been set to protect women in order to

decrease violence between men and women. We need these laws because a

man is much stronger than a woman and can cause more damage in a

physical conflict. But Domestic Violence goes a lot farther in that

one can also be mentally, verbally and emotionally abused by a spouse

as well. So things can get tricky here in a marriage and if someone

is accused of DV, their life can be ruined.

But VAWA laws can also open a door for a devious woman, and

occasionally a scheming man to gain leverage in a marriage and to give

cause to a divorce. My honest opinion, this is the worst and the most

dangerous advice that can be given to a Pilipina who is coming here

and wishes to achieve independence and American citizenship. But if

you look around you can see this advice is freely handed out as a way

to “sneak in.” While most cases of DV are true and genuine, there are

a lot of cases where the spouse (especially women) can provoke or lie

about DV. This causes a highly volatile situation in the home and in

the marriage that can cause someone to get hurt. Even children can be

caught in the crossfire or even used as pawns to achieve the false

accusation of abuse. This can hurt the man greatly who gets falsely

accused of this. Just remember that a pilipina who comes here

strictly for the reasons of gaining citizenship or a green card has

this option open to her, if she gets too desperate it is likely she

may try such a scheme in the marriage. While this is the extreme of

her options, please realize that its there at her disposal. Keep in

mind that DV is not just you hitting her; it means just a tiny

incident that you may have not initiated. It can be a physical or

verbal exchange. It can be spanking your stepchild. It can be a

simple gesture that you called her a name. One visit from the police

to your home can ruin your life. BE CAREFUL! I have seen it with my

own eyes.

It is important that all petitioners (male and female) are aware that

this tactic can be used against them and if so, to immediately remove

and separate themselves from the person that may attempt this. Bottom

line is you have to move away. If she is attempting to intentionally

cause conflict, both of you cannot stay in the same home without any

witnesses there. Even if there are witnesses it is not good for you

both to be in close proximity of one another. If they won’t leave,

you must leave. You are vulnerable to be accused of something that can

destroy your life. I speak to the men mostly on this issue.

Delay

The last option open to this Pilipina is to delay and play the role of

married wife until she gains enough status to guarantee her stay in

the United States. This is the more likely option. If she can bear

living with the man, and is willing to play the role long enough, then

she can achieve better status, and make a divorce look like she gave

an honest try to make it work. Delaying can cause issues for the

petitioners as well, because the investment into the marriage has

settled in a lot more after 2 or 3 years. A divorce may put the

petitioner in the position to may have to pay child support for kids

he may have adopted and even alimony. But if the Pilipina just wants

to be free of the marriage, she may not even seek any of this. Guys

be careful!!!

I am not doing this thread to make petitioners scared, but I think its

important that they think a lot more before they decide to bring the

poor, destitute helpless young pilipina to the United States. You

need to know that she is not out in some field working the crops for

14 hours a day, and barely making enough money to feed her or the

family. While the Philippines is a poor country, it is more likely to

be more of a welfare state, rather than a really poor country. There

is a huge difference between some countries in South Africa and the

Philippines. If you want to see a good example of what the

Philippines is, take a tour of our tough crime neighborhoods and

ghettos here in America. That is mostly what you get in PI.

Comments Please!

I'm Filipina not Pilipina it sounds Bisaya! lol...wow! i've read all of your lines here! but let me ask you a question: since you were also filing a petition how can you make sure or determined if your girl is not belong to those scammers Pilipina(FILIPINA)?

I salute you! black men are tough than white men like my husband.wew!

I hope you can keep posting what you have wrote here into some dating sites so that those innocent white men or black men will be aware! I like this post.Keep it up you...

[faryan 4]

wow- You make it sound so common place....Are you sure you want to run the risk? What are you posting this for? There are scammers from every country-even *gasp* the USA! Oh and plz stop calling them Pilipina. It's Filipina.

i think filipina is the english way. many locals and people familiar with them do call them/themselves pilipina.

Well, I stand corrected on that! Still wondering why the O/P posted this at all, though. I mean, isn't HIS fiancee from there?

Reading the O/P post and some inputs in other threads, i think he mentioned that he didnt say that all Fil-Am relationships are fraudulent or without genuine emotional attachment. He qualified his observations several times that it is not painting that all is like that, but bring up caution to a specific small percentage of scammers that is specified to the country and how they might operate to his opinion.

In fact he mentioned how he had several discussions with his fiancee throughout their rship re situation like this, and i guess he is just being very practical in wanting to ascertain the genuine-ness of his own rship with her, and thankfully he is satisfied that his own fiancee and him are on the same wavelength re this I mean, rather than just secretly hope that his fiancee is genuine in wanting to be with him, he went and find out in his own way through discussions. And rather than pretend these things doesnt happen and wont happen to you or others, he is posting to make people reevaluate and also start the ball rolling in discussions, esp among the Filipinas..

p/s: yeahh it could be more Bisaya, that make sense as i mostly live in Bisaya speaking area..

[Mykuls Merry Ann 4]

wow- You make it sound so common place....Are you sure you want to run the risk? What are you posting this for? There are scammers from every country-even *gasp* the USA! Oh and plz stop calling them Pilipina. It's Filipina.

i think filipina is the english way. many locals and people familiar with them do call them/themselves pilipina.

Well, I stand corrected on that! Still wondering why the O/P posted this at all, though. I mean, isn't HIS fiancee from there?

yes she is, and my daughter is 16 yrs old and has lived in the Philippines most of herlife. I have family in the Philippines. But i dont understand your point, what does that have anything to do with it? Just because my family is from there i cant speak on an issue like this?

[tmma 467]

wow- You make it sound so common place....Are you sure you want to run the risk? What are you posting this for? There are scammers from every country-even *gasp* the USA! Oh and plz stop calling them Pilipina. It's Filipina.

i think filipina is the english way. many locals and people familiar with them do call them/themselves pilipina.

Well, I stand corrected on that! Still wondering why the O/P posted this at all, though. I mean, isn't HIS fiancee from there?

yes she is, and my daughter is 16 yrs old and has lived in the Philippines most of herlife. I have family in the Philippines. But i dont understand your point, what does that have anything to do with it? Just because my family is from there i cant speak on an issue like this?

Where did I say that you can't comment?

I was just wondering why you posted his depressing review and advice to unwitting USC's about the country that your fiancee is from.....Or maybe you are completely missing my point because you are too busy looking for something to get jumpy about...I don't know.

edited-- because the original post is so long I didn't realize that I was talking to the OP just now

Edited January 16, 2009 by tmma