A Better Way to End Unauthorized Immigration

[peejay 327]

The NumbersUSA scouts are in full force on this one...

How so?

[MariaBonita 11]

Again - the act of being an illegal alien is not a criminal offence.

Its only considered "criminal" if you evade deportation proceedings, or subsequently return (illegally).

Exactly! It's a civil violation.

But that doesn't count all the other harm to America / Americans and all the other illegal sh*t your pets do once they cross the border illegally. That is just the beginning of the story you don't want to hear about or to even come to grips with. It goes on and on. Let us count the ways. But I digress, you just don't want to deal with reality.

BTW...what's up with your moniker MariaBonita? In Houston it has an unsavory connotation. I'm not sure if you're aware or maybe that's the point? Maybe it's just a sick joke? I'm confused. Enlighten us.

http://www.chron.com/news/bonita.html

#######?!?!!!

Maria Bonita is a Mexican song that was written by a Mexican legend, Agustin Lara. He wrote it for a beautiful Mexican actress. I believe he was in love with her. I like the song, and I am also a fan of the lady, Maria Felix. That's the reason I picked that nickname. I was not aware of such sick place!!! Any more questions?

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

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You're right, I'm partially correct; they are undocumented immigrants. That's the proper term for them. The fact that you don't like it, does not make the term any less real. But you can call them whatever goofy name you'd like, that still won't change what they are or who they are.

Thank you for bringing my point home. What ever candy coating or less harsh label you want to place they ARE Illegal Federal Criminal Aliens.

No, that's the goofy term you choose for them. But I repeat, it doesn't change who they are, or what they are: they are undocumented immigrants, and human beings. Feel free to call it PC, or touchy feely, or what ever the he!! you want, I don't give a rat's behind, really.

I agree labels aren't particularly important - but Undocumented Immigrant is more accurate (and neutral).

I kinda like "illegal aliens".

Makes me think of

We're from France!

Well thats funny, see those who advocate the invasion of illegal felons into the USA liek to justifty or downplay it by fooling htemselves into belief that Undocumented sounds better and is any different than the reality that they are illegal migrant criminlas, nothing legal about their existance in USA all they set out to do is violate the laws of our nation take what ever they can with out giving back, the problem is , it is like cancer it spreads and destroys everything it it's path just as the 3rd workld nation from which they invaed us from they do not care if what they leave behind so long as they take, take take, with no regards to the laws or those they harm.

[peejay 327]

Again - the act of being an illegal alien is not a criminal offence.

Its only considered "criminal" if you evade deportation proceedings, or subsequently return (illegally).

Exactly! It's a civil violation.

But that doesn't count all the other harm to America / Americans and all the other illegal sh*t your pets do once they cross the border illegally. That is just the beginning of the story you don't want to hear about or to even come to grips with. It goes on and on. Let us count the ways. But I digress, you just don't want to deal with reality.

BTW...what's up with your moniker MariaBonita? In Houston it has an unsavory connotation. I'm not sure if you're aware or maybe that's the point? Maybe it's just a sick joke? I'm confused. Enlighten us.

http://www.chron.com/news/bonita.html

#######?!?!!!

Maria Bonita is a Mexican song that was written by a Mexican legend, Agustin Lara. He wrote it for a beautiful Mexican actress. I believe he was in love with her. I like the song, and I am also a fan of the lady, Maria Felix. That's the reason I picked that nickname. I was not aware of such sick place!!! Any more questions?

Apparently someone else is a fan too. But that is beside the point.

At some point some of you folks have to get over your notion that you are entitled to open borders, to impose on the American people, and that illegal immigration is the ticket to a better life or that the USA is obligated to surrender our sovereignty to people that blatantly disregard our laws.

Everyone in America doesn't subscribe to that notion or is naive enough to buy into that bullshit.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Again - the act of being an illegal alien is not a criminal offence.

Its only considered "criminal" if you evade deportation proceedings, or subsequently return (illegally).

Exactly! It's a civil violation.

oh it's not that big a deal then.

Oh for crying out loud Charles - don't put words in my mouth.........

But wait, I'll come back to you in a little bit - I have got to get some work done.

How can I be mad at you now for trying to put words in my mouth?

i was always good at fishing

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I have no problem with people from third world countries. I have a problem with people from third world countries that believe they are entitled to blatantly break our laws and expect to be embraced and rewarded repeatedly for doing so.

I agree. I follow the law or I am punished. Why should someone who breaks the law be rewarded? Or better yet, how about how many times I followed the law and was punished.

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals? NA Because you are biased, they are the ones that are creating this problem, you want to get rid of this mess? It is easy, go after those who avoid paying extra by paying with cash to people under the table, don't pay for benefits and pocket all that money. Difference here is that the enforcement of all isn't existent and "some" Americans see just one side of the story, blame those 3rd world people, they are even taking advantage of those poor employers.

I agree that the business owners are also at fault and should be held accountable. But two wrongs still doesn't make it right.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Again - the act of being an illegal alien is not a criminal offence.

Its only considered "criminal" if you evade deportation proceedings, or subsequently return (illegally).

Exactly! It's a civil violation.

oh it's not that big a deal then.

Who cares about civil violations. Tear down the fence/.

[peejay 327]

Again - the act of being an illegal alien is not a criminal offence.

Its only considered "criminal" if you evade deportation proceedings, or subsequently return (illegally).

Exactly! It's a civil violation.

oh it's not that big a deal then.

Who cares about civil violations. Tear down the fence/.

Yeah...after 15 to 20 million illegal aliens what's 40 million more? After all...the US treasury and the US taxpayer has endless resources to feed, house, educate, medicate, and incarcerate the huddled masses yearning to be free throughout the world. Didn't you get the memo yet?

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Unfortunately the USA wasn't a modern welfare state when those words were etched on Lady Liberty and the US taxpayer didn't have the world digging into their pockets. And this is the 21st century...not the 19th or 20th century. But I digress. Why let rhetoric interfere with reality. Carry on.

Edited January 16, 2009 by peejay

[Peikko 1,575]

Again - the act of being an illegal alien is not a criminal offence.

Its only considered "criminal" if you evade deportation proceedings, or subsequently return (illegally).

Exactly! It's a civil violation.

But that doesn't count all the other harm to America / Americans and all the other illegal sh*t your pets do once they cross the border illegally. That is just the beginning of the story you don't want to hear about or to even come to grips with. It goes on and on. Let us count the ways. But I digress, you just don't want to deal with reality.

BTW...what's up with your moniker MariaBonita? In Houston it has an unsavory connotation. I'm not sure if you're aware or maybe that's the point? Maybe it's just a sick joke? I'm confused. Enlighten us.

http://www.chron.com/news/bonita.html

Seems VJ members can get away with all kinds of personal attacks these days.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

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You're right, I'm partially correct; they are undocumented immigrants. That's the proper term for them. The fact that you don't like it, does not make the term any less real. But you can call them whatever goofy name you'd like, that still won't change what they are or who they are.

Thank you for bringing my point home. What ever candy coating or less harsh label you want to place they ARE Illegal Federal Criminal Aliens.

No, that's the goofy term you choose for them. But I repeat, it doesn't change who they are, or what they are: they are undocumented immigrants, and human beings. Feel free to call it PC, or touchy feely, or what ever the he!! you want, I don't give a rat's behind, really.

I agree labels aren't particularly important - but Undocumented Immigrant is more accurate (and neutral).

I kinda like "illegal aliens".

Makes me think of

We're from France!

Well thats funny, see those who advocate the invasion of illegal felons into the USA liek to justifty or downplay it by fooling htemselves into belief that Undocumented sounds better and is any different than the reality that they are illegal migrant criminlas, nothing legal about their existance in USA all they set out to do is violate the laws of our nation take what ever they can with out giving back, the problem is , it is like cancer it spreads and destroys everything it it's path just as the 3rd workld nation from which they invaed us from they do not care if what they leave behind so long as they take, take take, with no regards to the laws or those they harm.

Hold your horses there chief - I said that the labels aren't particularly important. They are pretty irrelevent actually, except as an indicator of individual attitudes. As far as that goes I prefer neutral phrases, rather than emotionally loaded ones that lead to accusations of irrationality, bias and at the worst case racism.

As far as that goes there isn't much reason for you to suppose that I support illegal immigration, I don't believe I have ever indicated anything to that fact.

I just prefer not to buy into the angry rhetoric, false accusations and factually incorrect statements.

[peejay 327]

Again - the act of being an illegal alien is not a criminal offence.

Its only considered "criminal" if you evade deportation proceedings, or subsequently return (illegally).

Exactly! It's a civil violation.

But that doesn't count all the other harm to America / Americans and all the other illegal sh*t your pets do once they cross the border illegally. That is just the beginning of the story you don't want to hear about or to even come to grips with. It goes on and on. Let us count the ways. But I digress, you just don't want to deal with reality.

BTW...what's up with your moniker MariaBonita? In Houston it has an unsavory connotation. I'm not sure if you're aware or maybe that's the point? Maybe it's just a sick joke? I'm confused. Enlighten us.

http://www.chron.com/news/bonita.html

Seems VJ members can get away with all kinds of personal attacks these days.

How so? For asking a question or pointing out a fact? If you have a problem with it, report it. Otherwise don't make unfounded accusations.

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't report anything, I don't believe in moderation. However, you did make a personal attack on MariaBonita. You had absolutely no grounding to suggest that she was in any way involved in anything pertaining to the activities from the link you provided - you just did it to stir up feelings of resentment against someone you don't agree with.

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Ok, we'll find out.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I think we should all leave and give the country back to the Indians.

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

Hold your horses there chief - I said that the labels aren't particularly important. They are pretty irrelevent actually, except as an indicator of individual attitudes. As far as that goes I prefer neutral phrases, rather than emotionally loaded ones that lead to accusations of irrationality, bias and at the worst case racism.

As far as that goes there isn't much reason for you to suppose that I support illegal immigration, I don't believe I have ever indicated anything to that fact.

I just prefer not to buy into the angry rhetoric, false accusations and factually incorrect statements.

Why be neutral that is your way of avoiding the reality of the issues brought on by illegal aliens. It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. it is about the laws of our nation, our future, security & prosparity of our nation.

Pull your head out your ####### no one said anything racist here.. as i said before round up all the Swedes & irish men too , all those Swedes that illegally cross into our border, steal ID, defraud the IRS and SS, drive illegally work illegally, refuse to pay taxes and take from social services that they contribute 0 into.

Oh wait my remarks are racist because why? majority of the Illegals who cross into our country and commikt the crimes cited are from where???

No one made any false accusations, the reality is out of your grasp, you can conitnue livng in your neutral little bubble, candy coat your neutral be everyones friend world.