A Better Way to End Unauthorized Immigration

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

There is nothing funnier than bequeathing a bankrupt third world country of nearly half a billion people by mid 21st century to future generations living a markedly lower standard of living because you refuse to defend our borders and our laws because you (and other white liberals) have white guilt issues.

Soooo,

Is there a difference between a bankrupt 3rd world country and a bankrupt first world country?

Just remember Camelot is not Camelot anymore, better treat people around the world better because MAYBE sooner than later we will need them...

Edited January 15, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Soooo,

Is there a difference between a bankrupt 3rd world country and a bankrupt first world country?

yes, the plumbing.

[peejay 327]

There is nothing funnier than bequeathing a bankrupt third world country of nearly half a billion people by mid 21st century to future generations living a markedly lower standard of living because you refuse to defend our borders and our laws because you (and other white liberals) have white guilt issues.

Soooo,

Is there a difference between a bankrupt 3rd world country and a bankrupt first world country?

Just remember Camelot is not Camelot anymore, better treat people around the world better because MAYBE sooner than later we will need them...

I have no problem with people from third world countries. I have a problem with people from third world countries that believe they are entitled to blatantly break our laws and expect to be embraced and rewarded repeatedly for doing so.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I have no problem with people from third world countries. I have a problem with people from third world countries that believe they are entitled to blatantly break our laws and expect to be embraced and rewarded repeatedly for doing so.

I agree. I follow the law or I am punished. Why should someone who breaks the law be rewarded? Or better yet, how about how many times I followed the law and was punished.

Edited January 15, 2009 by spookyturtle

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

I have no problem with people from third world countries. I have a problem with people from third world countries that believe they are entitled to blatantly break our laws and expect to be embraced and rewarded repeatedly for doing so.

I agree. I follow the law or I am punished. Why should someone who breaks the law be rewarded? Or better yet, how about how many times I followed the law and was punished.

i don't care if they are from 1st world, 2nd world, 3rd world countries, or freaking outer space. it's pretty obvious to follow the law wherever you go.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

I have no problem with people from third world countries. I have a problem with people from third world countries that believe they are entitled to blatantly break our laws and expect to be embraced and rewarded repeatedly for doing so.

I agree. I follow the law or I am punished. Why should someone who breaks the law be rewarded? Or better yet, how about how many times I followed the law and was punished.

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals? NA Because you are biased, they are the ones that are creating this problem, you want to get rid of this mess? It is easy, go after those who avoid paying extra by paying with cash to people under the table, don't pay for benefits and pocket all that money. Difference here is that the enforcement of all isn't existent and "some" Americans see just one side of the story, blame those 3rd world people, they are even taking advantage of those poor employers.

Edited January 15, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

I have no problem with people from third world countries. I have a problem with people from third world countries that believe they are entitled to blatantly break our laws and expect to be embraced and rewarded repeatedly for doing so.

I agree. I follow the law or I am punished. Why should someone who breaks the law be rewarded? Or better yet, how about how many times I followed the law and was punished.

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals? NA Because you are biased, they are the ones that are creating this problem, you want to get rid of this mess? It is easy, go after those who avoid paying extra by paying with cash to people under the table, don't pay for benefits and pocket all that money. Difference here is that the enforcement of all isn't existent and "some" Americans see just one side of the story, blame those 3rd world people, they are even taking advantage of those poor employers.

I agree employers of illegals should be prosecuted, but teh illegals can't exactly say "they made us do it, it was so easy" BS they knowingly break the law in more ways than just working illegally, the Identity theft, tax fraud stealing, driving illegally, so yes enforce the law on both sides.

I think the govt. should CUt OFF ALL BENEFITS to these illegal federal criminals.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals? NA Because you are biased, they are the ones that are creating this problem, you want to get rid of this mess? It is easy, go after those who avoid paying extra by paying with cash to people under the table, don't pay for benefits and pocket all that money. Difference here is that the enforcement of all isn't existent and "some" Americans see just one side of the story, blame those 3rd world people, they are even taking advantage of those poor employers.

oh i want the employers to get hefty fines for helping create this mess.

[mRx 16]

So to summarize this article, if we can directly regulate the economy of Mexico, and subsidize them with American's taxes so they can build up their economy, then we can have "free" trade with Mexico, thus hindering the dreaded illegal immigrants.

That's ridiculous.

Basically, let's redirect all our resources to Mexico, through direct subsidation funded by taxpayers, and make America's economy so miserable that no one wants to even cross the border.

Free trade would occur if we abolish NAFTA, which the OP even conceded that was exploitative and protective.

[Peikko 1,575]

You must not be able to read. Who said anything about the "might of the gun"

Me,

Instead of reaching a smart answer to the problems like illegal immigration, drugs etc, the government just says that it's against the law, you break the law you go to jail or get deported. They have been throwing in jail and deporting illegals for a long time and have that deterred them from coming? NA. There has to be an immigration reform that focuses in accommodating all these immigrants, keep a record, get rid of the bad apples since I know for a fact that not all of them are exemplar citizens and allow them to come work and go back to their country of origin as pleased, or stay if pleased as long as they behave.

Enforce immigration! deport everybody, make it a crime, don't give them the prize of LPR! that will NOT solve anything but try to cover the sun with a finger. There is not just 1 solution to the problem but many, the problem is reaching an agreement between those who have the power to change the law and working towards that unique goal. Currently there is not the intent to reach that common goal.

News flash: These are not immigrants...they are illegal aliens.

Would you really even give a rat's ####### about these people if 86% of illegal aliens weren't Hispanic and 57% from Mexico?

I'll give you 3 guesses to the answer and the first 2 don't count.

You and your stupid rhetoric about terms,

Call them as you wish, ILLEGALS, IMMIGRANTS, UNDOCUMENTED, ETC I give a sovereign rat's A$

Would you give a rat's A$ about these illegals if one of them hadn't beaten you when you were 12?

You have to have a reason, there HAS to be, you are too traumatized to be just feeding your anger from Fox News and Bill O'Reilly come on open up to us....

Gee...you must be clairvoyant. I'm impressed....not.

There's only room for one clairvoyant on VJ!

[peejay 327]

I have no problem with people from third world countries. I have a problem with people from third world countries that believe they are entitled to blatantly break our laws and expect to be embraced and rewarded repeatedly for doing so.

I agree. I follow the law or I am punished. Why should someone who breaks the law be rewarded? Or better yet, how about how many times I followed the law and was punished.

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals? NA Because you are biased, they are the ones that are creating this problem, you want to get rid of this mess? It is easy, go after those who avoid paying extra by paying with cash to people under the table, don't pay for benefits and pocket all that money. Difference here is that the enforcement of all isn't existent and "some" Americans see just one side of the story, blame those 3rd world people, they are even taking advantage of those poor employers.

The problem with your rant is that when ICE raids the workplace of these companies and actually do prosecute these crooks that knowingly hire the illegals, your buddies at LaRaza, MALDEF, LULAC, ACLU, SPLC, etc., etc. demand an end to the raids and complain when the illegal aliens get deported.

You don't want raids and prosecutions of employers...you want another amnesty for illegal aliens. That is where we sit after 7 illegal alien amnesties, 20+ years, and 15 to 20 more illegal aliens in our country.

As for blaming the illegals themselves? When people from third world countries double their populations every 25 to 30 years there is no way their country's economies will ever grow fast enough to accomodate that. Who's fault is that? It certainly isn't mine or the USA's fault.

It's not up to the USA to solve the third world's myriad of problems. It's not up to the USA to solve Mexico's problems.

But it is up to the USA to deal with Mexico's problems when it spills over into the USA and causes problems here. It is up to America to do what is in our best interests and whether it is fair to Mexicans that break our laws is not the first priority IMO.

Long term mass illegal immigration is not good for America or most Americans no matter how much some people try to slice it and dice it. Just because it occurrs doesn't mean it should.

[mawilson 2,133]

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals?

Yes.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals?

Yes.

The moment I see an article posted by peejay that focuses just on these crooks or I hear him ranting about the unfairness regarding the fact that these employers, who are breaking the law by the way, aren't in jail, I'll believe there isn't racism involved.

And about those who just want them to get a hefty fine, demand the same! throw them in jail, why pay a fine if they are breaking the law by consciously hiring illegal immigrants? do they deserve a better treatment because they are white collar executives like those from Tyson Foods? NO

Edited January 15, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

way their country's economies will ever grow fast enough to accomodate that. Who's fault is that? It certainly isn't mine or the USA's fault.

It's not up to the USA to solve the third world's myriad of problems. It's not up to the USA to solve Mexico's problems.

But it is up to the USA to deal with Mexico's problems when it spills over into the USA and causes problems here. It is up to America to do what is in our best interests and whether it is fair to Mexicans that break our laws is not the first priority IMO.

Long term mass illegal immigration is not good for America or most Americans no matter how much some people try to slice it and dice it. Just because it occurrs doesn't mean it should.

Exactly!

[mawilson 2,133]

You want to punish somebody? I don't hear any crying about those American businessmen that GIVE work to these people, do you want to put them in jail, call them criminals?

Yes.

The moment I see an article posted by peejay that focuses just on these crooks or I hear him ranting about the unfairness regarding the fact that the employers, who are breaking the law by the way, aren't in jail, I'll believe there isn't racism involved.

And about those who just want them to get a hefty fine, demand the same! throw them in jail, why pay a fine if they are breaking the law by consciously hiring illegal immigrants? do they deserve a better treatment because they are white collar executives like those from Tyson Foods? NO

Seems to be the case, unfortunately. Just look at Bernie Madoff - the ####### destroys countless lives,

steals 50 billion dollars - Billion with a 'B' - and the judge allows him to remain free on bail in his luxury

penthouse apartment.

Now if you went and robbed someone of (even) $100,000, you'd be locked up and the bail would be

set so high, you could never afford it.

Edited January 15, 2009 by mawilson