Mother watched toddler die in agony

[Mags 112]

Isn't justice getting what you deserve? I know the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" thing, but when you do something that horrible I think you deserve more than jail time. Death penalty isn't the answer either because you're just putting them out of their misery of jail.

Imo, justice is about getting punished for a crime. What that shouldn't entail is inflicting a bloodthirsty act on the guilty perpetrator. Send them to jail, remove their ability to live in society, free, but don't rip them apart from top to bottom, skin them and burn them.

Humans should have progressed enough in evolution to be beyond that. Sadly, I don't think they ever will whilst the "eye for an eye" train of thought exists.

But I will ask this - if people genuinely think that the perpetrators should have these acts performed on them, then they should be able to do the act themselves should the need arise. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who would say "yeah, I'd do it, no problem!" but in reality I'd bet that faced with the task of performing such an act they'd balk.

I dunno. What about the experiments they've done where people think they're inflicting pain and yet the majority of people continued until they're told the person has passed out or passed away.

I guess I just think that the majority of people who support the "hang 'em high" response are all mouth, no trousers! It really takes a "special" type of person to be able to inflict that kind of pain (and ultimately death) onto another human.

I've no doubt there would be volunteers, but it's easier to type "skin him/her alive" than actually do the deed yourself.

Humans really make me sad.

[Amby 490]

Isn't justice getting what you deserve? I know the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" thing, but when you do something that horrible I think you deserve more than jail time. Death penalty isn't the answer either because you're just putting them out of their misery of jail.

Imo, justice is about getting punished for a crime. What that shouldn't entail is inflicting a bloodthirsty act on the guilty perpetrator. Send them to jail, remove their ability to live in society, free, but don't rip them apart from top to bottom, skin them and burn them.

Humans should have progressed enough in evolution to be beyond that. Sadly, I don't think they ever will whilst the "eye for an eye" train of thought exists.

But I will ask this - if people genuinely think that the perpetrators should have these acts performed on them, then they should be able to do the act themselves should the need arise. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who would say "yeah, I'd do it, no problem!" but in reality I'd bet that faced with the task of performing such an act they'd balk.

I dunno. What about the experiments they've done where people think they're inflicting pain and yet the majority of people continued until they're told the person has passed out or passed away.

I guess I just think that the majority of people who support the "hang 'em high" response are all mouth, no trousers! It really takes a "special" type of person to be able to inflict that kind of pain (and ultimately death) onto another human.

I've no doubt there would be volunteers, but it's easier to type "skin him/her alive" than actually do the deed yourself.

Humans really make me sad.

I understand what you're saying

[alienlovechild 75]

Imo, justice is about getting punished for a crime. What that shouldn't entail is inflicting a bloodthirsty act on the guilty perpetrator. Send them to jail, remove their ability to live in society, free, but don't rip them apart from top to bottom, skin them and burn them.

Yes, it's far better to pack in them into human warehouses and watch them tear each other apart- now that's evolution.

But I will ask this - if people genuinely think that the perpetrators should have these acts performed on them, then they should be able to do the act themselves should the need arise. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who would say "yeah, I'd do it, no problem!" but in reality I'd bet that faced with the task of performing such an act they'd balk.

So you would work in a prison as a guard to show your convictions against the death penalty and deal with the consequences? By the way, you're right. Many people are hesitant to vote for the death penalty, they don't want the responsibility. However, you will find individuals who'd love to execute people like the parents in this story.

Edited January 14, 2009 by alienlovechild

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Isn't justice getting what you deserve? I know the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" thing, but when you do something that horrible I think you deserve more than jail time. Death penalty isn't the answer either because you're just putting them out of their misery of jail.

Imo, justice is about getting punished for a crime. What that shouldn't entail is inflicting a bloodthirsty act on the guilty perpetrator. Send them to jail, remove their ability to live in society, free, but don't rip them apart from top to bottom, skin them and burn them.

Humans should have progressed enough in evolution to be beyond that. Sadly, I don't think they ever will whilst the "eye for an eye" train of thought exists.

But I will ask this - if people genuinely think that the perpetrators should have these acts performed on them, then they should be able to do the act themselves should the need arise. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who would say "yeah, I'd do it, no problem!" but in reality I'd bet that faced with the task of performing such an act they'd balk.

That gets lost on a lot of people I think, that some poor (or sadistic) ####### has to actually do it themselves.

There's a lot of emotional transference that goes on in cases like this. While certainly a terrible, heinous crime was committed (and one justifying a severe punishment) - what I don't understand is why people get so bloodthirsty and start gloating about which (usually medieval) punishment the perpetrators deserve.

I can understand that reaction from the point of view of a member of the victim's family (though clearly not in this case), but most people simply aren't that close to it to warrant that sort of mindless, psychotic anger.

Imo, justice is about getting punished for a crime. What that shouldn't entail is inflicting a bloodthirsty act on the guilty perpetrator. Send them to jail, remove their ability to live in society, free, but don't rip them apart from top to bottom, skin them and burn them.

Yes, it's far better to pack in them into human warehouses and watch them tear each other apart- now that's evolution.

But I will ask this - if people genuinely think that the perpetrators should have these acts performed on them, then they should be able to do the act themselves should the need arise. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who would say "yeah, I'd do it, no problem!" but in reality I'd bet that faced with the task of performing such an act they'd balk.

So you would work in a prison as a guard to show your convictions against the death and deal with the consequences? By the way, you're right. Many people are hesitant to vote for the death penalty, they don't want the responsibility. However, you will find individuals who'd love to execute people like the parents in this story.

Sadists and/or psychopaths.

[Bassi and Zainab 1]

Isn't justice getting what you deserve? I know the whole "two wrongs don't make a right" thing, but when you do something that horrible I think you deserve more than jail time. Death penalty isn't the answer either because you're just putting them out of their misery of jail.

Imo, justice is about getting punished for a crime. What that shouldn't entail is inflicting a bloodthirsty act on the guilty perpetrator. Send them to jail, remove their ability to live in society, free, but don't rip them apart from top to bottom, skin them and burn them.

Humans should have progressed enough in evolution to be beyond that. Sadly, I don't think they ever will whilst the "eye for an eye" train of thought exists.

But I will ask this - if people genuinely think that the perpetrators should have these acts performed on them, then they should be able to do the act themselves should the need arise. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who would say "yeah, I'd do it, no problem!" but in reality I'd bet that faced with the task of performing such an act they'd balk.

That gets lost on a lot of people I think, that some poor (or sadistic) ####### has to actually do it themselves.

There's a lot of emotional transference that goes on in cases like this. While certainly a terrible, heinous crime was committed (and one justifying a severe punishment) - what I don't understand is why people get so bloodthirsty and start gloating about which (usually medieval) punishment the perpetrators deserve.

I can understand that reaction from the point of view of a member of the victim's family (though clearly not in this case), but most people simply aren't that close to it to warrant that sort of mindless, psychotic anger.

I think it's because it's a child. That's is personal for most people. It's painful to think of a child being tortured because children are the last bastion of humanity. They are all that is good about human. To defile a child is to challenge all that is good about humanity. Think about prisons where they actually have to separate child molesters from the general population because their crime is considered most heinous by a group of their own peers. Murders look down on child molesters!

[tmma 467]

Imo, justice is about getting punished for a crime. What that shouldn't entail is inflicting a bloodthirsty act on the guilty perpetrator. Send them to jail, remove their ability to live in society, free, but don't rip them apart from top to bottom, skin them and burn them.

Yes, it's far better to pack in them into human warehouses and watch them tear each other apart- now that's evolution.

I think "evolution" would be eliminating them from the gene pool. They are a proven danger to the species. They need to go. That's evolution. Although if they tear eachother apart in the warehouse, that's fine with me also.

Edited January 14, 2009 by tmma

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This case its about a child - yes. But the reaction I'm talking about isn't limited to children, or indeed to this particular case.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Although if they tear eachother apart in the warehouse, that's fine with me also.

The problem with that is that isn't always the worst of the worst who got caught up in it.

Its entirely possible to be jailed for something relatively innoccuous and be subjected to a world that most people here can't even conceive of.

[tmma 467]

Although if they tear eachother apart in the warehouse, that's fine with me also.

The problem with that is that isn't always the worst of the worst who got caught up in it.

Its entirely possible to be jailed for something relatively innoccuous and be subjected to a world that most people here can't even conceive of.

I see what you are saying, but still no sympathy here for inmates.....Sorry, must be a Texan thing. I hear our warehouses are the worst in the nation......

[alienlovechild 75]

Although if they tear eachother apart in the warehouse, that's fine with me also.

The problem with that is that isn't always the worst of the worst who got caught up in it.

Its entirely possible to be jailed for something relatively innoccuous and be subjected to a world that most people here can't even conceive of.

Judging by the usual comments by people who want to disembowel the scumbag of the day article, very few care what happens to anybody (aside from family members) in jail. And the people more likely to look for the well-being of prisoners aren't likely to apply for jobs as prison guards.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

mags, just think of it as really being voted off the island.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Although if they tear eachother apart in the warehouse, that's fine with me also.

The problem with that is that isn't always the worst of the worst who got caught up in it.

Its entirely possible to be jailed for something relatively innoccuous and be subjected to a world that most people here can't even conceive of.

I see what you are saying, but still no sympathy here for inmates.....Sorry, must be a Texan thing. I hear our warehouses are the worst in the nation......

I dunno man - it doesn't seem to me that the hardened cons are the ones who end up on the receiving end of this stuff. Poor old Uncle Leo - in prison for tax evasion is more likely to find himself sexually assaulted, or beaten to within an inch of his life than the folks who perpetrate the worst crimes.

I don't know about you - but I find stuff like this very hard to justify. Its easy to be gung-ho about justice - until you are on the wrong side of it.

Edited January 14, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Although if they tear eachother apart in the warehouse, that's fine with me also.

The problem with that is that isn't always the worst of the worst who got caught up in it.

Its entirely possible to be jailed for something relatively innoccuous and be subjected to a world that most people here can't even conceive of.

Judging by the usual comments by people who want to disembowel the scumbag of the day article, very few care what happens to anybody (aside from family members) in jail. And the people more likely to look for the well-being of prisoners aren't likely to apply for jobs as prison guards.

I'm sure my wife's uncle (25+ years in Corrections) has an opinion on that score.

Likely, there is an established culture within Corrections - as well as in the jails. But certainly its not an easy job to do.

[tmma 467]

Although if they tear eachother apart in the warehouse, that's fine with me also.

The problem with that is that isn't always the worst of the worst who got caught up in it.

Its entirely possible to be jailed for something relatively innoccuous and be subjected to a world that most people here can't even conceive of.

I see what you are saying, but still no sympathy here for inmates.....Sorry, must be a Texan thing. I hear our warehouses are the worst in the nation......

I dunno man - it doesn't seem to me that the hardened cons are the ones who end up on the receiving end of this stuff. Poor old Uncle Leo - in prison for tax evasion is more likely to find himself sexually assaulted, or beaten to within an inch of his life than the hardened cons who perpetrate the worst crimes.

I don't know about you - but I find stuff like this very hard to justify. Its easy to be gung-ho about justice - until you are on the wrong side of it.

Then the answer is clear-stay on the right side of it.

P.S I'm not a man.

[Donna A 4]

i feel so sorry for that little girl. she didnt deserve that.

now the parents do deserve what they get. they were not innocent in any way.