Texas to challenge the U.S. citizenship of illegal immigrants' U.S.-born children.

[tallcoolone 102]

Getting down to business: Texas Legislature will have its hands full when it convenes Tuesday

12:00 AM CST on Monday, January 12, 2009

The Associated Press

IMMIGRATION

Debate has ebbed, but will it pick up?

Talk about illegal immigration has ebbed in the last year, but some Texas lawmakers aim to revive discussions by proposing more than a dozen bills that, among other things, would punish employers for hiring illegal workers and challenge the U.S. citizenship of illegal immigrants' U.S.-born children.

Other bills filed for the 2009 Legislature would require public schools to maintain records on students' immigration status, impose a fee on money wired to Latin America, require identification from voters at the polls, prohibit parole for illegal immigrants and create a state criminal trespassing charge for illegal immigrants enforced by local police.

Several of the proposals are similar to ones that were introduced in the last session but failed to make it out of committee because they were considered unconstitutional.

"In some ways, they follow an old pattern. A lot of bills will be introduced," said Muzaffar Chishti, director of the Migration Policy Institute at the New York University School of Law. "And they will be introduced again for the same political motivation by the same cast of characters. The issue is, 'Is it more likely that they'll get passed this time?' "

The Associated Press

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...n1.4b38e59.html

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How are they going to challenge the citizenship of illegal immigrant children? Presumably the automatic citizenship is a Federal law...

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

How are they going to challenge the citizenship of illegal immigrant children? Presumably the automatic citizenship is a Federal law...

This issue is brought up by all those state reps from east and north Texas every year, and it will fail the same way. Same ol' same ol'

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

They must like chest-beating in the Texas State Legislature.

[nighthawk 0]

How are they going to challenge the citizenship of illegal immigrant children? Presumably the automatic citizenship is a Federal law...

Paul, have one on me...You are right by gawd...The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution needs to be changed

in order to revoke citizenship to anyone born in this country. I am not a lawyer. I was taught this in grade school..Such

capricious racist tone of Texas in even saying that in public...

For one second, think. Do you know what it take to amend the 14th Amendment, the most cherished of all our legal

protections?

[almaty 19]

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texas...much ado about nothing

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

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texas...much ado about nothing

U r just jealous because the President is from here

Seriously, on terms of immigration there is a constant battle between the rich "cowboys" of the north against the representation of the south.

Edited January 13, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[almaty 19]

lol..you are right..but soon..the president is from my state of illinois

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

lol..you are right..but soon..the president is from my state of illinois

Payback time!

I'm afraid for TX, maybe Obama will break it into 2 states, or even worse give south TX to Mexico! This means I will have to start from 0 again!

[almaty 19]

lol..you are right..but soon..the president is from my state of illinois

Payback time!

I'm afraid for TX, maybe Obama will break it into 2 states, or even worse give south TX to Mexico! This means I will have to start from 0 again!

yes, it is a well known fact here..that texas is to have a large fence put around it

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

lol..you are right..but soon..the president is from my state of illinois

Payback time!

I'm afraid for TX, maybe Obama will break it into 2 states, or even worse give south TX to Mexico! This means I will have to start from 0 again!

yes, it is a well known fact here..that texas is to have a large fence put around it

The fence is a joke, I see it on a daily basis and the ways illegal immigrants sneak into the US are so intricate that a mere fence won't stop them. To me the fence does the same job that toupee does for a bald man, gives peace of mind even though he knows the problem won't go away miraculously.

Edited January 13, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[NickD 203]

They must like chest-beating in the Texas State Legislature.

Goes back to interpretation of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution printed here for your convenience.

"

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Came about because southern states were not considering slaves as US citizens, this amendment changes that. The slaves had a long history in this country, even before this country was formed. After this country was formed, the slave trade greatly decreased. And in view of the injustice in this country at the time, a slave owner not only owned he slaves he purchased, but all of their offspring as well, giving just cause for the passage of this amendment at the end of the civil war.

Now what this has to do with illegals coming here and having babies that are considered USCs', taking advantage or basically state supported education and Medicade, is well beyond my legal mind. It's up to the supreme court to make the correct interpretation.

Here is more on this subject: from http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...ssuecenters4608

"Anchor Babies: Part of the Immigration-Related American Lexicon

The term “anchor baby” may be unfamiliar to most Americans but it succinctly describes a troubling aspect of American immigration.

An anchor baby is defined as an offspring of an illegal immigrant or other non-citizen, who under current legal interpretation becomes a United States citizen at birth. These children may instantly qualify for welfare and other state and local benefit programs. Additionally with the passage of the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, the child may sponsor other family members for entry into the United States when he or she reaches the age of twenty-one (See also Chain Migration). The sheer numbers are staggering. In Stockton, California (2003), 70 percent of the 2,300 babies, born in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies.

Interpreting the 14th Amendment In Parkland Memorial Hospital Dallas, the second busiest maternity ward in the United States, 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. That added up to 11,200 babies for which Medicaid kicked in 34.5 million dollars to deliver these babies, the feds another 9.5 million and Dallas taxpayers tossed in 31.3 million. The average illegal patient is 25 years and giving birth to her second anchor baby.

Reiniers, John. Hernando Today, "Anchor Babies." January 25, 2008.

According to the Constitution's 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868 to ensure citizenship for the newly emancipated African Americans, "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was incomplete. For example, Native Americans were excluded from American citizenship because of their tribal jurisdiction. Also not subject to American jurisdiction were foreign visitors, ambassadors, consuls, and their babies born here. In the case of illegal aliens, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Therefore, some Constitutional scholars argue that the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship. However, this issue has never been directly decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Price We Pay "Make no mistake, Americans are happy to welcome immigrants who follow our immigration laws and see a better lifer here. America is far more welcoming and tolerant of newcomers than any virtually any nation on earth. But our modern welfare state creates pervasive incentives for immigrants, incentives that cloud the issue of why people chose to come here. We cannot afford to open our pocketbooks to the rest of the world. We must end the pervasive incentives that encourage immigrants to come here illegally, including the anchor baby incentive. "

Representative Ron Paul Texas Straight Talk October 02, 2006

The nation's school system faces the economic burden of providing services to the millions of children born to illegal immigrants. In a 2004 United States General Accounting Office report, three states submitted their annual cost estimates of educating illegal children. The estimates provided ranged from 50 million dollars to 87.5 million in Pennsylvania and 932 million to 1.04 billion dollars in Texas.

FAIR estimates there are currently more than 425,000 children born to illegal aliens each year. This figure is based on the crude birth rate of the total foreign-born population (33 births per 1000) and the size of the illegal alien population (13 million in 2008). In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year and now count substantially more than half.

What Does This Mean?

Higher Taxes: The federal government has control over immigration law for the United States. By not correcting this mis-application of the 14^th Amendment, the funds that state and local governments must provide to anchor babies amounts to a virtual tax on U.S. citizens to subsidize illegal aliens.

Disrespect for the rule of law: Congress, by failing to act on legislation aimed at correcting the interpretation of citizenship by birth, in effect rewards law-breakers and punishes those who have chosen to follow the rules and immigrate legally.

The original intent of the 14^th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law and obtaining citizenship for their offspring, nor obtaining benefits at taxpayer expense. The United States is unusual in its offer to extend citizenship to anyone born on its soil. Other developed countries have changed their citizenship practice to eliminate the problems caused by the practice of birthright citizenship.[1] The anchor baby problem has grown to such large proportions that the United States can no longer afford to ignore it. The logical first step for correcting the problem is for Congress to adopt legislation clarifying the meaning of the 14^th amendment."

Our governor claims the major portion of his 5.6 billion debt is due to Medicade and education, practically all the babies born here from illegal parents I have heard about are on Wick and/or Medicade payments. This gives ample motivation for even very young illegal girls to become pregrant. Some as young as 13 years of age. Ha, as a USC of my state, don't get tempted by this, you will not only face statory rape charges, but lifetime child support of that child. But young illegal girls are easy.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

They must like chest-beating in the Texas State Legislature.

Goes back to interpretation of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution printed here for your convenience.

"

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Came about because southern states were not considering slaves as US citizens, this amendment changes that. The slaves had a long history in this country, even before this country was formed. After this country was formed, the slave trade greatly decreased. And in view of the injustice in this country at the time, a slave owner not only owned he slaves he purchased, but all of their offspring as well, giving just cause for the passage of this amendment at the end of the civil war.

Now what this has to do with illegals coming here and having babies that are considered USCs', taking advantage or basically state supported education and Medicade, is well beyond my legal mind. It's up to the supreme court to make the correct interpretation.

Here is more on this subject: from http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...ssuecenters4608

"Anchor Babies: Part of the Immigration-Related American Lexicon

The term "anchor baby" may be unfamiliar to most Americans but it succinctly describes a troubling aspect of American immigration.

An anchor baby is defined as an offspring of an illegal immigrant or other non-citizen, who under current legal interpretation becomes a United States citizen at birth. These children may instantly qualify for welfare and other state and local benefit programs. Additionally with the passage of the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, the child may sponsor other family members for entry into the United States when he or she reaches the age of twenty-one (See also Chain Migration). The sheer numbers are staggering. In Stockton, California (2003), 70 percent of the 2,300 babies, born in San Joaquin General Hospital's maternity ward were anchor babies.http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...riendly=1#_edn1

Interpreting the 14th Amendment In Parkland Memorial Hospital Dallas, the second busiest maternity ward in the United States, 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. That added up to 11,200 babies for which Medicaid kicked in 34.5 million dollars to deliver these babies, the feds another 9.5 million and Dallas taxpayers tossed in 31.3 million. The average illegal patient is 25 years and giving birth to her second anchor baby.

Reiniers, John. Hernando Today, "Anchor Babies." January 25, 2008.

According to the Constitution's 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868 to ensure citizenship for the newly emancipated African Americans, "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was incomplete. For example, Native Americans were excluded from American citizenship because of their tribal jurisdiction. Also not subject to American jurisdiction were foreign visitors, ambassadors, consuls, and their babies born here. In the case of illegal aliens, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Therefore, some Constitutional scholars argue that the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship. However, this issue has never been directly decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Price We Pay "Make no mistake, Americans are happy to welcome immigrants who follow our immigration laws and see a better lifer here. America is far more welcoming and tolerant of newcomers than any virtually any nation on earth. But our modern welfare state creates pervasive incentives for immigrants, incentives that cloud the issue of why people chose to come here. We cannot afford to open our pocketbooks to the rest of the world. We must end the pervasive incentives that encourage immigrants to come here illegally, including the anchor baby incentive. "

Representative Ron Paul Texas Straight Talk October 02, 2006

The nation's school system faces the economic burden of providing services to the millions of children born to illegal immigrants. In a 2004 United States General Accounting Office report, three states submitted their annual cost estimates of educating illegal children. The estimates provided ranged from 50 million dollars to 87.5 million in Pennsylvania and 932 million to 1.04 billion dollars in Texas.

FAIR estimates there are currently more than 425,000 children born to illegal aliens each year. This figure is based on the crude birth rate of the total foreign-born population (33 births per 1000) and the size of the illegal alien population (13 million in 2008). In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year and now count substantially more than half.

What Does This Mean?

Higher Taxes: The federal government has control over immigration law for the United States. By not correcting this mis-application of the 14^th Amendment, the funds that state and local governments must provide to anchor babies amounts to a virtual tax on U.S. citizens to subsidize illegal aliens.

Disrespect for the rule of law: Congress, by failing to act on legislation aimed at correcting the interpretation of citizenship by birth, in effect rewards law-breakers and punishes those who have chosen to follow the rules and immigrate legally.

The original intent of the 14^th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law and obtaining citizenship for their offspring, nor obtaining benefits at taxpayer expense. The United States is unusual in its offer to extend citizenship to anyone born on its soil. Other developed countries have changed their citizenship practice to eliminate the problems caused by the practice of birthright citizenship.[1] The anchor baby problem has grown to such large proportions that the United States can no longer afford to ignore it. The logical first step for correcting the problem is for Congress to adopt legislation clarifying the meaning of the 14^th amendment."

Our governor claims the major portion of his 5.6 billion debt is due to Medicade and education, practically all the babies born here from illegal parents I have heard about are on Wick and/or Medicade payments. This gives ample motivation for even very young illegal girls to become pregrant. Some as young as 13 years of age. Ha, as a USC of my state, don't get tempted by this, you will not only face statory rape charges, but lifetime child support of that child. But young illegal girls are easy.

Could somebody read this thesis and give me a summary?

Thanks y'alls

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

lol..you are right..but soon..the president is from my state of illinois

Payback time!

I'm afraid for TX, maybe Obama will break it into 2 states, or even worse give south TX to Mexico! This means I will have to start from 0 again!

yes, it is a well known fact here..that texas is to have a large fence put around it

Why stop at fences? Perhaps they should just dig the entire State into a huge hole in the ground

Edited January 13, 2009 by Paul Daniels

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

lol..you are right..but soon..the president is from my state of illinois

Payback time!

I'm afraid for TX, maybe Obama will break it into 2 states, or even worse give south TX to Mexico! This means I will have to start from 0 again!

yes, it is a well known fact here..that texas is to have a large fence put around it

Why stop at fences? Perhaps they should just dig the entire State into a huge hole in the ground

noooo funnyyyy

I'm in Texas, at least if they do it they should let me know before so I can relocate, I live 10 mins away from NM