Foreign Embassy forum is misnamed

[mox 298]

I like this too. In fact I can see this as a solution to about 95% of all thread moves.

[rebeccajo 14]

I like this too. In fact I can see this as a solution to about 95% of all thread moves.

I kind of doubt that. Unless you think most threads get moved from Regionals to other areas.

There's plenty of stuff mis-posted in the uppers.

[mox 298]

I like this too. In fact I can see this as a solution to about 95% of all thread moves.

I kind of doubt that. Unless you think most threads get moved from Regionals to other areas.

There's plenty of stuff mis-posted in the uppers.

I just think most thread moves are unnecessary.

[Marilyn. 340]

I like this too. In fact I can see this as a solution to about 95% of all thread moves.

I kind of doubt that. Unless you think most threads get moved from Regionals to other areas.

There's plenty of stuff mis-posted in the uppers.

I just think most thread moves are unnecessary.

really? I really don't think so.. most of the stuff is moved in the upper forums because it has been posted in the wrong places.. like someone asking a K1 question the Removal of conditions forum etc...

[mox 298]

I think there needs to be an overwhelming reason to move a thread, and most of the time I understand WHY a thread was moved, but I just don't think it was absolutely necessary. I think it's symptomatic of the overall organizer mentality that for whatever reason seems to pervade many within the organizer group.

The organizer problem in general is that they[1] seem to think that to keep their stripes they have to meet some kind of mental quota[2], and so they set out to look for threads to move. For example, this thread was moved out of the Off-Topic forum, despite the fact that the OP never asked for it to be moved, that it was certainly "Off Topic" by definition, and the reason for moving it was in fact not even a valid reason for moving ANY thread, let alone this thread. But this is the organizer mentality: instead of looking for a reason to keep a thread where it is, they look for a reason to move it, and sometimes need only the thinnest encouragement to do so. So this is why I say that even in the top-level forums there's a lot of unnecessary moving going on. It's just not necessary most of the time.

The funny[3] thing about all this is that right in the midst of over-organized forums, we have under-moderated forums. The current moderators are stretched to the limit, and it takes sometimes days for a moderator to investigate a report.[4] I don't believe the moderators are doing a bad job, I just think they're stretched too thin.

[1] Not all organizers of course, but many.

[2] I understand there is no actual quota, hence the "mental" qualifier.

[3] Not haha funny.[5]

[4] This is actually not the norm, they're usually pretty quick, but it's getting worse.

[5] Footnotes are fun.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

To piggyback on Mox's move-threading reasoning, here's another wrinkle. See this thread (in another forum):

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172388

And then look at posts #3 & #4 within it. I have requested that steps be taken to avoid such unnecessary confusion.

[rebeccajo 14]

mox,

I think you ought to take the problem you have with one or two people to them or the Captain instead of applying that kind of thinking to all the organizers.

A couple of other points before I go back to real work:

I'm an org and I wouldn't have moved that thread out of OT.

I'm an org and if I could get away with it I would jerk every thread out of the Regionals that is immigration related and put them where they belong. Threads and posts about certain regions DO belong in the general forums, and not the Regionals. Why? So that members can LEARN what goes on at the other consulates, etc. and get a reality check - meaning somebody whose stressing a London interview might calm down a whole lot if they read consistently about Manila.

[rebeccajo 14]

To piggyback on Mox's move-threading reasoning, here's another wrinkle. See this thread (in another forum):

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172388

And then look at posts #3 & #4 within it. I have requested that steps be taken to avoid such unnecessary confusion.

TBone -

Why doesn't that thread belong in traveling and working? (I presume you disagree that it should have been moved).

Or is it 'mbc' that you don't like?

Edited January 15, 2009 by rebeccajo

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Or is it 'mbc' that you don't like?

Apologies for lack of clarity. The move was appropriate; the "mbc" is my objection.

[rebeccajo 14]

Or is it 'mbc' that you don't like?

Apologies for lack of clarity. The move was appropriate; the "mbc" is my objection.

Well, I agree it's 'different', but it's just 'shorthand'. Does it really matter?

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Does it really matter?

If it confuses people, as it did the OP in that thread, yes. Edited January 15, 2009 by TBoneTX

[mox 298]

mox,

I think you ought to take the problem you have with one or two people to them or the Captain instead of applying that kind of thinking to all the organizers.

I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't applying it to all organizers. And I do have a problem with the behavior of more than one or two organizers, but some organizers provide better/easier to find examples of what I'm talking about than others.

By the way Ewok (or mods), why is it that some threads now just "disappear" when they are moved, rather than leaving the little "moved" stub like they used to? It doesn't seem to happen all the time, just sometimes.

I'm an org and if I could get away with it I would jerk every thread out of the Regionals that is immigration related and put them where they belong. Threads and posts about certain regions DO belong in the general forums, and not the Regionals. Why? So that members can LEARN what goes on at the other consulates, etc. and get a reality check - meaning somebody whose stressing a London interview might calm down a whole lot if they read consistently about Manila.

I'm an information #######, so I actually do educate myself up on what the other consulates do. I find it much easier to head over to the PI regional if I want to know about Manilla, rather than sorting through thread after thread that isn't what I'm looking for. I also use Search a lot, where it doesn't even matter what forum the thread is in. But I think most people don't give a flying whatsit about what Manilla is doing if they're going through Moscow. And why should they? They want to know about what pertains to them. The Moscow filer wants to head over to the Russia regional, and when they post "how long does it take from NVC to interview?" not have to deal with every single other filer on the planet who has an opinion on how stupid it is that Moscow has a 3 month wait while China has a 47 year wait, or whatever it is these days. I generally like having a big tent, but sometimes it needs to be more granular, and that's what regionals are great for.

[rebeccajo 14]

mox,

I think you ought to take the problem you have with one or two people to them or the Captain instead of applying that kind of thinking to all the organizers.

I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't applying it to all organizers. And I do have a problem with the behavior of more than one or two organizers, but some organizers provide better/easier to find examples of what I'm talking about than others.

By the way Ewok (or mods), why is it that some threads now just "disappear" when they are moved, rather than leaving the little "moved" stub like they used to? It doesn't seem to happen all the time, just sometimes.

I'm an org and if I could get away with it I would jerk every thread out of the Regionals that is immigration related and put them where they belong. Threads and posts about certain regions DO belong in the general forums, and not the Regionals. Why? So that members can LEARN what goes on at the other consulates, etc. and get a reality check - meaning somebody whose stressing a London interview might calm down a whole lot if they read consistently about Manila.

I'm an information #######, so I actually do educate myself up on what the other consulates do. I find it much easier to head over to the PI regional if I want to know about Manilla, rather than sorting through thread after thread that isn't what I'm looking for. I also use Search a lot, where it doesn't even matter what forum the thread is in. But I think most people don't give a flying whatsit about what Manilla is doing if they're going through Moscow. And why should they? They want to know about what pertains to them. The Moscow filer wants to head over to the Russia regional, and when they post "how long does it take from NVC to interview?" not have to deal with every single other filer on the planet who has an opinion on how stupid it is that Moscow has a 3 month wait while China has a 47 year wait, or whatever it is these days. I generally like having a big tent, but sometimes it needs to be more granular, and that's what regionals are great for.

Yeah, we know that's what you think.

I don't.

I'm sick of this.

[mox 298]

And we know you're sick of it because you keep telling us every time you jump back in. Physician heal thyself.

[rebeccajo 14]

And we know you're sick of it because you keep telling us every time you jump back in. Physician heal thyself.

Oh get over it, mox.

NOBODY else could possibly have a valid point other than you, could they?

Yesterday I stated that it would really be refreshing if people (including you) could just step back and hear what I have been saying. You obviously can't do that because you're so fixated on how you think things should be. You're in your little comfort zone and you like it that way.

Don't talk to me about healing myself. I don't see ANY effort on your part. NONE.

I was a member here when we had no Regional Forums. The site worked and it worked well. I've said we only need Regional Divisions when it comes to the consular phase of this process. By the example you yourself gave above, the pertinent question was about that part of the process.

Seems to me you can't even see the forest for protecting your trees.

Edited January 15, 2009 by rebeccajo