Our Gay rights trump your Religious rights

[Danno 1,228]

It's a continuing trend.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/d...hts-case/print/

Tuesday, December 30, 2008

N.J. panel faults church group in gay rights case

ASSOCIATED PRESS

MOUNT LAUREL, N.J. (AP) | A church group that owns beachfront property discriminated against a lesbian couple by not allowing them to rent the locale for their civil union ceremony, a New Jersey department ruled Monday in a case that has become a flash point in the nation's gay rights battle.

The New Jersey Division on Civil Rights said its investigation found that the refusal of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to rent the oceanfront spot to the couple for their ceremony in March 2007 violated the public accommodation provisions of the state's Law Against Discrimination.

While the ruling is decisively in favor of the couple, Harriet Bernstein and Luisa Paster, it does not end the case.

An administrative law judge still must decide on a remedy for the parties.

"What this case has always been about from my clients' perspective has been equality," said Larry Lustberg, the attorney for the couple. He said they will seek an order that requires the pavilion to be "open to all on an equal basis."

Brian Raum, an attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund, a Scottsdale, Ariz.-based group that represents the Methodist organization, Camp Meeting Association, said his clients would keep pushing back against being forced to allow civil unions on the property.

"Our position is the same," he said. "A Christian organization has a constitutional right to use their facilities in a way that is consistent with their beliefs."

Meanwhile, the parties in the dispute are awaiting a ruling from the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on whether the issue should be decided in the division on civil rights or in federal courts. A lower federal court has ruled that the state could consider the case.

The dispute has become a rallying point for both sides in the political battle over gay unions.

Supporters of gay rights say the discrimination shows that New Jersey's 2-year-old civil unions law falls short of its intent to give gay couples the same legal rights as married couples.

Earlier this month, a state commission headed by J. Frank Vespa-Papaleo, the director of the Division on Civil Rights and the author of Monday's ruling, recommended that the state start performing gay marriages.

Opponents of gay marriage cite the case as a prime example of their contention that granting same-sex couples legal status, whether in the form of marriage or civil unions, will cause states to interfere with religious freedoms.

"It's something we have to be careful about," Mr. Raum said. "As the rights of same-sex couples increase, the tendency is to have it conflict with the First Amendment rights of religious organizations."

[Chica Yeyé 41]

And it will continue - get used to it.

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The New Jersey Division on Civil Rights said its investigation found that the refusal of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to rent the oceanfront spot to the couple for their ceremony in March 2007 violated the public accommodation provisions of the state's Law Against Discrimination.

If you had a restaurant you couldn't stop a gay couple or a Muslim couple from eating there either.

It's not about gay marriage, which I know you're against.

It's about discriminating against people in places of public accommodation. That's against the law.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

**'s.

[Amby 490]

I like the gays better than the religious nuts

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I like the gays better than the religious nuts

Hmmmmmm.....the closet door is opening

[Amby 490]

I like the gays better than the religious nuts

Hmmmmmm.....the closet door is opening

haha it's not dark in my closet

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

#######?

I like the gays better than the religious nuts

Hmmmmmm.....the closet door is opening

haha it's not dark in my closet

are you in there lighting spooky's farts?

[Amby 490]

#######?

I like the gays better than the religious nuts

Hmmmmmm.....the closet door is opening

haha it's not dark in my closet

are you in there lighting spooky's farts?

unfortunately spooky decided to join me and that's why i had to open the door

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The New Jersey Division on Civil Rights said its investigation found that the refusal of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to rent the oceanfront spot to the couple for their ceremony in March 2007 violated the public accommodation provisions of the state's Law Against Discrimination.

If you had a restaurant you couldn't stop a gay couple or a Muslim couple from eating there either.

It's not about gay marriage, which I know you're against.

It's about discriminating against people in places of public accommodation. That's against the law.

Yep.

[mawilson 2,133]

The New Jersey Division on Civil Rights said its investigation found that the refusal of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to rent the oceanfront spot to the couple for their ceremony in March 2007 violated the public accommodation provisions of the state's Law Against Discrimination.

If you had a restaurant you couldn't stop a gay couple or a Muslim couple from eating there either.

You couldn't? I thought restaurants had the right to refuse service to anybody.

[Amby 490]

yeah like on family guy where peter decides he doesn't want any people in wheelchairs

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The New Jersey Division on Civil Rights said its investigation found that the refusal of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to rent the oceanfront spot to the couple for their ceremony in March 2007 violated the public accommodation provisions of the state's Law Against Discrimination.

If you had a restaurant you couldn't stop a gay couple or a Muslim couple from eating there either.

You couldn't? I thought restaurants had the right to refuse service to anybody.

Not for those reasons though.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The New Jersey Division on Civil Rights said its investigation found that the refusal of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to rent the oceanfront spot to the couple for their ceremony in March 2007 violated the public accommodation provisions of the state's Law Against Discrimination.

If you had a restaurant you couldn't stop a gay couple or a Muslim couple from eating there either.

It's not about gay marriage, which I know you're against.

It's about discriminating against people in places of public accommodation. That's against the law.

Then why can you get shut off at a bar if you've had too much to drink? That's discrimination against drunks. Drunks are people too, just like gays and religeous fanatics.

[mawilson 2,133]

The New Jersey Division on Civil Rights said its investigation found that the refusal of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association to rent the oceanfront spot to the couple for their ceremony in March 2007 violated the public accommodation provisions of the state's Law Against Discrimination.

If you had a restaurant you couldn't stop a gay couple or a Muslim couple from eating there either.

You couldn't? I thought restaurants had the right to refuse service to anybody.

Not for those reasons though.

Do they even need a reason? They can ask you to leave, and that's that.