IDF unveils Hamas map seized in Gaza

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The designation of "terrorism" gets pretty fuzzy when it comes to situations like this.

Shooting rockets into Israel and conducting suicide bombings IS terrorism.

Fighting back against a military incursion into your territory isn't.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation - but that doesn't mean everything they do is a terrorist act.

So they are only a problem when they actually carry out an act of terrorism? While they are planning their acts, and trying to figure out ways to take Israel off the map, followed by the entire west, they are just nutjobs?

I think the threat they pose to Israel is vastly inflated. Hamas' actions towards Israel certainly do cause terror and mayhem towards Israel's its citizens and infrastructure but they simply don't have the capacity to "take Israel off the map", regardless of their declared goals.

The problem is that there is no progress on this issue, and it isn't purely the fault of the Palestinians. Hamas doesn't really have anything to lose doing what they do and they're driven as much by petty revenge as by ideology. Israel by contrast, never seems to have any other ideas on how to deal with this problem than roll tanks into civilian settlements and bomb them from the air and with artillery (passing the buck on the civilian casualties to Hamas). The idea seems to be to knock over the anthill every six months or so and give them a few months of breathing room - then the entire cycle repeats again.

Pointless. And stupid.

have another one

Edited January 9, 2009 by ={Rogue}=

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You keep that $hit to yourself. Otherwise I might end up like you:

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You keep that $hit to yourself. Otherwise I might end up like you:

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I think the threat they pose to Israel is vastly inflated. Hamas' actions towards Israel certainly do cause terror and mayhem towards Israel's its citizens and infrastructure but they simply don't have the capacity to "take Israel off the map", regardless of their declared goals.

The problem is that there is no progress on this issue, and it isn't purely the fault of the Palestinians. Hamas doesn't really have anything to lose doing what they do and they're driven as much by petty revenge as by ideology. Israel by contrast, never seems to have any other ideas on how to deal with this problem than roll tanks into civilian settlements and bomb them from the air and with artillery (passing the buck on the civilian casualties to Hamas). The idea seems to be to knock over the anthill every six months or so and give them a few months of breathing room - then the entire cycle repeats again.

Pointless. And stupid.

If Canada started lobbing inaccurate and low yield missiles across the US border indiscriminately the issue would not be, well they aren't doing 'too' much damage...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think the threat they pose to Israel is vastly inflated. Hamas' actions towards Israel certainly do cause terror and mayhem towards Israel's its citizens and infrastructure but they simply don't have the capacity to "take Israel off the map", regardless of their declared goals.

The problem is that there is no progress on this issue, and it isn't purely the fault of the Palestinians. Hamas doesn't really have anything to lose doing what they do and they're driven as much by petty revenge as by ideology. Israel by contrast, never seems to have any other ideas on how to deal with this problem than roll tanks into civilian settlements and bomb them from the air and with artillery (passing the buck on the civilian casualties to Hamas). The idea seems to be to knock over the anthill every six months or so and give them a few months of breathing room - then the entire cycle repeats again.

Pointless. And stupid.

If Canada started lobbing inaccurate and low yield missiles across the US border indiscriminately the issue would not be, well they aren't doing 'too' much damage...

Sure, but I think someone would question the sanity of the reprisals if the US started bombing Montreal and killing people in the hundreds.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Dont let the sympathizer change the subject!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

It would be ok as long as casualties were confined to French Canadians...

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

It would be ok as long as casualties were confined to French Canadians...

Its his game, he always answers a question with a question.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Store rockets in mosque = mosque goes BOOM.

simple math.... even for libdrools.

But how do you FEEL about it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Mosque goes boom even if there is a public festival going on outside.

Simple math indeed.

For psychopaths.

[doodlebugg 10]

Just blatant proof that Hamas uses civilian areas to target Israelis...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

Nice justification there for killing babies and children. No fear though, Olmert gave the finger to the UN and is now killing more babies and children. You can rest in peace knowing that there will be less babies and children each day of this insane war. That is if you can rest in peace knowing there's blood on your hands.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Just blatant proof that Hamas uses civilian areas to target Israelis...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

Nice justification there for killing babies and children. No fear though, Olmert gave the finger to the UN and is now killing more babies and children. You can rest in peace knowing that there will be less babies and children each day of this insane war. That is if you can rest in peace knowing there's blood on your hands.

how is there blood on that poster's hands?

[doodlebugg 10]

Just blatant proof that Hamas uses civilian areas to target Israelis...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

Nice justification there for killing babies and children. No fear though, Olmert gave the finger to the UN and is now killing more babies and children. You can rest in peace knowing that there will be less babies and children each day of this insane war. That is if you can rest in peace knowing there's blood on your hands.

Aren't they Israeli?

how is there blood on that poster's hands?

I meant to say your country's hands.

Edited January 9, 2009 by humpkinpumpkin

[MandR 0]

Nice justification there for killing babies and children. No fear though, Olmert gave the finger to the UN and is now killing more babies and children. You can rest in peace knowing that there will be less babies and children each day of this insane war. That is if you can rest in peace knowing there's blood on your hands.

It is very sad to see babies and children living in fear and dying on both sides.

However, as I've said before, war is war and unfortunately due to the idiotic savage decisions that Hamas has made over the years, randomly sending rockets into Israel for no rhyme or reason, Israel HAD to respond and they did and I hope they get to finish what they had planned. And trust me, they didn't just wake up one morning and say "Oh lets go get them".

The blood is on Hamas' hands, not anyone else......

Is Israel just supposed to sit back and say "Hit me with your best shot" day in and day out. No country in the world would let this happen to them and not respond.

If someone came to your house, stood at your front door with a cheap hand made gun and took a shot at your child and missed and you had a gun, wouldn't you grab it and shoot back ?????

Edited January 9, 2009 by MandR

[Yoink 7]

Just blatant proof that Hamas uses civilian areas to target Israelis...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull

Nice justification there for killing babies and children. No fear though, Olmert gave the finger to the UN and is now killing more babies and children. You can rest in peace knowing that there will be less babies and children each day of this insane war. That is if you can rest in peace knowing there's blood on your hands.

Aren't they Israeli?

how is there blood on that poster's hands?

I meant to say your country's hands.

Civilians die in war... and in Terrorism... you want a ratio of military personel to civilians from both sides? Please... just because I support Israel doesnt make me a monster that wants to see babies die. I support the big picture ideology which is the cessation of terrorism and the hope for a lasting peace. The devil is in the details and the execution (where babies die and soldiers are kidnapped, and Palestinean leadership continually refuse 2state options and peaceful measures)

Yes it is an insane war brought on by insane philosophy.. that being the mindset that one's people is somehow morally justified to completely destroy another... no swithing words there I mean Hamas' attitude toward Israel.

I dont care about overwelhming or disporportionate force. It is those measures that keep Terrorists from building enough military infrastructure to conduct their ultimate goals... I dont care if you are Egyptian, or Saudi or whomever, cause if Hamas is even 1% successful in their goal that is the end game in the middle east.