War Deserters told to leave Canada..

[desert_fox 32]

Of course "volunteers" are preferred. In this crappy economy, I would bet enlistment is up!! I have read articles and know personally of a few cases where soldiers were thinking of gettign out at the end of their contracts, but not now!!

That is basically why the services didnt want to draft...they wanted volunteers...more motivated. They raised the pay and benefits to make enlisting more attractive.

They always try to get you to re-enlist with bonuses. Actually not a bad life...retire after 20 years at age 40 and go out and get a real job and double dip.

I enjoyed my time in the AF, but wasnt interested in making it a career...besides if you arent rated (pilot), you cant get the top jobs and promotions.

[DeadPoolX 9]

And this: You dont know much about the military then....you make the other guy die for his country and you protect your buddies.

Not sure what you mean here?

He's paraphrasing General George S. Patton, which said something similar to the men he was commanding. It was a very inspirational speech for the time.

I fully realize how important it is for a soldier to be trained in certain ways. Boot camp and the military itself shouldn't be a vacation. However, making others feel like complete ####### -- while perhaps successful in some cases -- can't be the one and only method to producing a good soldier.

Maybe that works when signing up voluntarily. That person opted for it and should know what they're getting into. A civilian who's been forced into the military probably won't respond anywhere near as well, since they didn't volunteer to enter the service. Training really needs to be tailored to the trainees involved. That doesn't mean personal training for individuals, but perhaps a difference in how volunteers and draftees get trained. The mindset between those two groups could be staggering.

[Flames9_RN 358]

Oh I think a person would respond differently if it meant living or death,lol! Let's face it, a draft is very unlikely in the USA. if it were, something humongous//horrible would have had to happen!

Edited January 13, 2009 by flames9

[thetreble 19]

Oh I think a person would respond differently if it meant living or death,lol! Let's face it, a draft is very unlikely in the USA. if it were, something humongous//horrible would have had to happen!

We'd be leaving, that's for sure.

[Flames9_RN 358]

Funny how some enjoy freedom, but not willing to sacrifice for it. As it stands now, women can't be drafted.

[Jasman0717 9]

What happened to all those folks that went to Canada to dodge the Viet Nam draft

[thetreble 19]

Funny how some enjoy freedom, but not willing to sacrifice for it. As it stands now, women can't be drafted.

I do sacrifice myself every day, working hard and pushing money into this economy. That is my sacrifice that helps make the USA go round n' round. If it wasn't for working people, the country would not work.

Just because I don't wish to fight, it does not mean I don't "sacrifice" for my country. Let's get that straight.

Taking up arms is not the only way one can fight for freedom. Also, freedom in the 20th century? So many of our nations ARE free. We are fighting for freedom any more, we are fighting for greed, money, terrorism, etc. It is really no longer about freedom.

[Flames9_RN 358]

What happened to all those folks that went to Canada to dodge the Viet Nam draft

I'm not sure. A bit of info on WIKI on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_dodger

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Vietnam_War

[Sprailenes 47]

Funny how some enjoy freedom, but not willing to sacrifice for it. As it stands now, women can't be drafted.

I do sacrifice myself every day, working hard and pushing money into this economy. That is my sacrifice that helps make the USA go round n' round. If it wasn't for working people, the country would not work.

Just because I don't wish to fight, it does not mean I don't "sacrifice" for my country. Let's get that straight.

Taking up arms is not the only way one can fight for freedom. Also, freedom in the 20th century? So many of our nations ARE free. We are fighting for freedom any more, we are fighting for greed, money, terrorism, etc. It is really no longer about freedom.

Yes!

[DeadPoolX 9]

Funny how some enjoy freedom, but not willing to sacrifice for it. As it stands now, women can't be drafted.

I tend to think of that as sexist. I really do.

Women have fought for the right to be considered equal in all aspects of life, including the military, and yet... women aren't forced to sign up for the draft. We don't have a draft, obviously, but the point remains that if it was reinstated, women would not be considered as possible draftees.

Women weren't originally considered because of gender-based thinking at the time. It was assumed that men would be better at warfare while the women stayed home. Today, it's a little different and in most areas of life, a woman can do whatever a man can.

Because of this, I fail to see how women can demand equal rights without signing up for the draft, just like men. You can't be fully equal unless you take both the good and the bad.

[MrsCat 6]

Funny how some enjoy freedom, but not willing to sacrifice for it. As it stands now, women can't be drafted.

I tend to think of that as sexist. I really do.

Women have fought for the right to be considered equal in all aspects of life, including the military, and yet... women aren't forced to sign up for the draft. We don't have a draft, obviously, but the point remains that if it was reinstated, women would not be considered as possible draftees.

Women weren't originally considered because of gender-based thinking at the time. It was assumed that men would be better at warfare while the women stayed home. Today, it's a little different and in most areas of life, a woman can do whatever a man can.

Because of this, I fail to see how women can demand equal rights without signing up for the draft, just like men. You can't be fully equal unless you take both the good and the bad.

Well, as I understand it, sexual inequality is rampant in the US military. Typically, women who do serve are typically in support roles and not in active combat. Despite the fact that some women desire these positions. Military logic is just strange sometimes.

[Flames9_RN 358]

If a draft was called, does not necessarily mean it would be for "war" I don't want to go deeply into what an horrendous event it could be, everyone would like to sleep peacefully at night,lol

[Emancipation 2]

What happened to all those folks that went to Canada to dodge the Viet Nam draft

They are all still there.. and happy and healthy and enjoying a very quiet living. Canada has no issues with Vietnam draft dodgers.. and rightly so in this particular case!

Edited January 13, 2009 by Emancipation

[Flames9_RN 358]

What happened to all those folks that went to Canada to dodge the Viet Nam draft

They are all still there.. and happy and healthy and enjoying a very quiet living. Canada has no issues with Vietnam draft dodgers.. and rightly so in this particular case!

But were they allowed to return to the USA without any persecution??

[Emancipation 2]

What happened to all those folks that went to Canada to dodge the Viet Nam draft

They are all still there.. and happy and healthy and enjoying a very quiet living. Canada has no issues with Vietnam draft dodgers.. and rightly so in this particular case!

But were they allowed to return to the USA without any persecution??

I don't know any who WANTED to go back.. they are all hippies living in the back woods near where I grew up.. they love Canadian Communism!