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[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Moderators for different forums!

Hey, now that's a novel idea!

Not gonna happen.

It should happen.

I know it should. But it's been talked about before and it never does.

I don't think the Captain like to give up any real control around here.

Sorry about that, but it's my honest opinion.

Hey, at least you're not disrespecting a moderator. That can get you a 24 hour suspension these days! The demi-gods may not be insulted.

[rebeccajo 14]

Moderators for different forums!

Hey, now that's a novel idea!

Not gonna happen.

It should happen.

I know it should. But it's been talked about before and it never does.

I don't think the Captain like to give up any real control around here.

Sorry about that, but it's my honest opinion.

Hey, at least you're not disrespecting a moderator. That can get you a 24 hour suspension these days! The demi-gods may not be insulted.

Funny that, you know.

How trying to have an adult conversation out in the open with somebody, rather than closed door PM's with someone who has the upper hand, can be considered disrespect - no?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Moderators for different forums!

Hey, now that's a novel idea!

Not gonna happen.

It should happen.

I know it should. But it's been talked about before and it never does.

I don't think the Captain like to give up any real control around here.

Sorry about that, but it's my honest opinion.

Hey, at least you're not disrespecting a moderator. That can get you a 24 hour suspension these days! The demi-gods may not be insulted.

Funny that, you know.

How trying to have an adult conversation out in the open with somebody, rather than closed door PM's with someone who has the upper hand, can be considered disrespect - no?

It's the equivalent of the President telling citizens that all dissent must be expressed in private. Public dissent will result in punitive measures.

[rebeccajo 14]

Moderators for different forums!

Hey, now that's a novel idea!

Not gonna happen.

It should happen.

I know it should. But it's been talked about before and it never does.

I don't think the Captain like to give up any real control around here.

Sorry about that, but it's my honest opinion.

Hey, at least you're not disrespecting a moderator. That can get you a 24 hour suspension these days! The demi-gods may not be insulted.

Funny that, you know.

How trying to have an adult conversation out in the open with somebody, rather than closed door PM's with someone who has the upper hand, can be considered disrespect - no?

It's the equivalent of the President telling citizens that all dissent must be expressed in private. Public dissent will result in punitive measures.

Kinda like that, yeah.

I believe in the concept of moderators. But I think they need real power and real support by Admin. I think you need different Mods with different proven levels of expertise patrolling different forums.

And I don't think a Mod should expect me to take a conversation with them to Private. That's a sledgehammer approach and I won't do it.

Oh - and while I'm on a tear, I don't think we need to make this place more complicated by adding more places to have to hunt for facts. I'm an Administrative Assistant by profession. We don't make our bread and butter by making it harder to find what we need to make our bosses happy. The KISS concept applies.

Let's all make VJ as big a beuruacracy as USCIS.

Seems rather stupid, doesn't it?

Edited January 11, 2009 by rebeccajo

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

And I don't think a Mod should expect me to take a conversation with them to Private. That's a sledgehammer approach and I won't do it.

[Old Dominion 26]

umm....rebeccajo sounds like a redneck's name. Billy Bob married her.

Nope.

My parents named me Rebecca JoAnn.

Rebecca for my grandmother and JoAnn because I guess it sounded good.

As a child I was called 'Becky Jo' and that is still what my family calls me.

My husband calls me Rebecca - most others call me Becca.

And his name is Robert Wesley. After his uncle Robert and John Wesley, the famous protestant.

He can trace his lineage to a Lord during mideval times in Ireland. I can trace mine to the American Revolution.

I only eat possum on days that end in "Y", I disdain the wearing of shoes, and I'm late getting down to DHHR to get my foodstamps renewed for January.

Firstly, you dont know me from anywhere, secondly i agree with him bc HE makes sense. Third, i think your only arguing with me now for the sake of wanting to argue. All i have to say is grow up, there are ppl that will agree with you and ppl who wont, the sooner you accept that, the better off you will be.

He made sense to YOU, when you THOUGHT he was advocating a buddy system for immigration, or when he EXPLAINED that it was for non-immigration?

How are those soup sandwiches coming along?

Damnit...somebody close this thread...it's circling the drain thanks to the hator-aid.

umm....rebeccajo sounds like a redneck's name. Billy Bob married her.

Personal attacks are against the TOS...i think you need to go back and read it again

Maybe not a nice observation via humor, but I wouldn't call it a personal attack.

Ling Ling - all I'm saying to you is that if you have really done that much good around here, then the good will follow you without advertising it.

Cute name, that. No offense intended. Who was your patriot ancestor>

[rebeccajo 14]

umm....rebeccajo sounds like a redneck's name. Billy Bob married her.

Nope.

My parents named me Rebecca JoAnn.

Rebecca for my grandmother and JoAnn because I guess it sounded good.

As a child I was called 'Becky Jo' and that is still what my family calls me.

My husband calls me Rebecca - most others call me Becca.

And his name is Robert Wesley. After his uncle Robert and John Wesley, the famous protestant.

He can trace his lineage to a Lord during mideval times in Ireland. I can trace mine to the American Revolution.

I only eat possum on days that end in "Y", I disdain the wearing of shoes, and I'm late getting down to DHHR to get my foodstamps renewed for January.

Firstly, you dont know me from anywhere, secondly i agree with him bc HE makes sense. Third, i think your only arguing with me now for the sake of wanting to argue. All i have to say is grow up, there are ppl that will agree with you and ppl who wont, the sooner you accept that, the better off you will be.

He made sense to YOU, when you THOUGHT he was advocating a buddy system for immigration, or when he EXPLAINED that it was for non-immigration?

How are those soup sandwiches coming along?

Damnit...somebody close this thread...it's circling the drain thanks to the hator-aid.

umm....rebeccajo sounds like a redneck's name. Billy Bob married her.

Personal attacks are against the TOS...i think you need to go back and read it again

Maybe not a nice observation via humor, but I wouldn't call it a personal attack.

Ling Ling - all I'm saying to you is that if you have really done that much good around here, then the good will follow you without advertising it.

Cute name, that. No offense intended. Who was your patriot ancestor>

I really don't know. My sister in the the Daughters of the American Revolution and she did the geneology work.

[mox 298]

I think it would be good to have teams dedicated to the maintenance of specific forums.

PI regional anyone? I don't even post there and I know what a complete sh*thole it's become because of the factions who sit back and break the TOS left and right, but because they're doing it in Tagalog they can do it with impunity. I've mentioned several times (and so have others) that all that's needed is a dedicated moderator who speaks Tagalog. It's a problem that's driven good people from this site, and yet there is an easy solution. Why does this continue to fester?

Hey lookit me all posting criticism and stuff without mentioning organizers! Go me!

[William33 110]

I think it would be good to have teams dedicated to the maintenance of specific forums.

PI regional anyone? I don't even post there and I know what a complete sh*thole it's become because of the factions who sit back and break the TOS left and right, but because they're doing it in Tagalog they can do it with impunity. I've mentioned several times (and so have others) that all that's needed is a dedicated moderator who speaks Tagalog. It's a problem that's driven good people from this site, and yet there is an easy solution. Why does this continue to fester?

Hey lookit me all posting criticism and stuff without mentioning organizers! Go me!

Just curious mox, do you speak/read tagalog?

If not, how can you be sure this actually occurs?

[mox 298]

Well first, I'm not the first person to bring this up. And although I do not speak Tagalog, I've made friends here who have spouses/fiancee's that speak Tagalog, and they no longer feel welcome in the PI forum because of the nastiness that goes on in Tagalog. It's possible they are lying to me, but I think it unlikely.

But I guess what I'd like to know is how the moderating team knows or doesn't know that it goes on? I'm not being snarky, I just think that the issue has been brought up enough that it should have at least generated some curiosity. Certainly there's a LOT of non-English speaking going on in that forum, don't you want to know if the TOS is being violated?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Certainly there's a LOT of non-English speaking going on in that forum, don't you want to know if the TOS is being violated?

there are moderators who care... and there are moderators for whom the Moderator badge is nothing more than a power trip.

[William33 110]

Well first, I'm not the first person to bring this up. And although I do not speak Tagalog, I've made friends here who have spouses/fiancee's that speak Tagalog, and they no longer feel welcome in the PI forum because of the nastiness that goes on in Tagalog. It's possible they are lying to me, but I think it unlikely.

But I guess what I'd like to know is how the moderating team knows or doesn't know that it goes on? I'm not being snarky, I just think that the issue has been brought up enough that it should have at least generated some curiosity. Certainly there's a LOT of non-English speaking going on in that forum, don't you want to know if the TOS is being violated?

A valid response and I believe what you have stated, having heard it before.

We do care when the TOS is violated, irrespective of the chosen language. None of the Mods speak Tagalog, therefore we must rely on "reports". If a thread is reported, we ask a trusted source to translate.

With that said, we really don't see too many reports....hmmmmm....Captain? A Tagalog speaking mod may be of use here, as mox suggested.

To A.J. : Love you too brother!!

[mox 298]

I don't think there's a single moderator here who doesn't care. I just think there needs to be some stronger leadership.

[Ling Ling 22]

Oh - and while I'm on a tear, I don't think we need to make this place more complicated by adding more places to have to hunt for facts. I'm an Administrative Assistant by profession. We don't make our bread and butter by making it harder to find what we need to make our bosses happy. The KISS concept applies.

Let's all make VJ as big a beuruacracy as USCIS.

Seems rather stupid, doesn't it?

Interesting that you see the idea of placing important information into a Wiki as bureaucracy. I guess it's a matter of perspective. As an Admin Asst,

I'm sure that (if you're anything like my assistants) once you've learned a task or where to find something, you like to keep it that way....and there's nothing wrong with that, IF it works for your organization....but that kind of strategy doesn't apply well everywhere.

My career experiences began in Groupware Architecture. That's a fancy name for software that enables geographically disparate people and teams to communicate and share information. It involved gathering requirements from the users, instead of making assumptions about what they need. It involved working with them to refine their requirements, so that my team of developers could create a seamless integration of their business needs with our technology. In other words, my goal was always to create a system where, if you already knew the business end, the technology wouldn't get in your way. Sounds simple, but this was years before the Internet.

Back to the topic of information repositories, a Wiki makes it very simple to find not only the information you're looking for, but the comfort of knowing that it's the latest posted version, instead of stumbling upon outdated information that's been "pinned" or posted somewhere in a thread as a static posting.

As for moderator teams assigned to forums, what do you have to say on the subject Capt?

[Captain Ewok 1,900]

Moderators for different forums!

Hey, now that's a novel idea!

Not gonna happen.

It should happen.

I know it should. But it's been talked about before and it never does.

I don't think the Captain like to give up any real control around here.

Sorry about that, but it's my honest opinion.

I am actually all for having moderators for smaller areas. The frustration in local mods is if a poster simply avoids a particular moderator by fleeing to a different forum which is why we have mainly global mods. That said, Sheriff Uling does have a few extra moderator powers in the Regional forums (can not ban or warn people but can remove / close / open threads there).

If local moderators however make more sense I am totally up to the idea.