Israel shells near UN school, killing at least 30

[doodlebugg 10]

This is a no-win situation. I know the middle east groups like to use human shields. There's no way around it.

How many Hamas militants did the doctor in the video see? How many Hamas militants were in the school?

[mawilson 2,133]

This is a no-win situation. I know the middle east groups like to use human shields. There's no way around it.

How many Hamas militants did the doctor in the video see? How many Hamas militants were in the school?

17.5

[Amby 490]

This is a no-win situation. I know the middle east groups like to use human shields. There's no way around it.

How many Hamas militants did the doctor in the video see? How many Hamas militants were in the school?

17.5

I hate when I'm presented with half a body

[Niels Bohr 72]

This is a no-win situation. I know the middle east groups like to use human shields. There's no way around it.

How many Hamas militants did the doctor in the video see? How many Hamas militants were in the school?

I have no idea. The fact remains that there are groups that are not with HAMAs military, but, are fighting on their own claiming to be HAMAs militant. Same with the Israel.

[HAL 9000 96]

This is a no-win situation. I know the middle east groups like to use human shields. There's no way around it.

How many Hamas militants did the doctor in the video see? How many Hamas militants were in the school?

I have no idea. The fact remains that there are groups that are not with HAMAs military, but, are fighting on their own claiming to be HAMAs militant. Same with the Israel.

This is another thing to consider. Even pro-war nutjobs within the Zionist fringe could provoke IDF into firing from gunships by impersonating Hamas. End result is that more innocent Palestinians would suffer the wrath of guided missiles.

[alienlovechild 75]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

We already are already at war in two theaters for nearly 8 years in case you've forgotten. I'll bet you didn't lose too much sleep while Hamas has been giving Israel a free rocket show for months.

By the law, the rules of war say soldiers have the option to shoot at normally protected sites such as hospitals, schools and religious structures if they are taking fire from them. The Palestinians will use anything as a haven. See Church of the Nativity as an example.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/2167925.stm

[mawilson 2,133]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

Where was your outrage when Hamas was targeting Israeli civilians?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

Where was your outrage when Hamas was targeting Israeli civilians?

Most people are outraged by it, I would imagine.

But again its hard to justify military action that kills hundreds of people, further destroys an already broken infrastructure in response to primitive rocket attacks that have killed a relative handful of people.

Its not about what victims deserve the most outrage, but rather having a sense of reasonable perspective.

[Craneman 2]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

Where was your outrage when Hamas was targeting Israeli civilians?

Random 60mm rockets versous F18s with 500lb bombs in civilian neighborhoods, bring on the nukes.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

There's a difference between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel may hit civilians from time to time (such as in this story), but they don't intend to kill civilians. It happens, but then again, civilian causalities are always present in war. The U.S. armed forces (and every other military in the world) has unintentionally caused civilian deaths. That's sad, but it's a fact of warfare.

The Palestinians, by contrast, purposefully set out to murder civilians. A "good day" is when as many Israelis as possible are killed in shopping centers, schools, discos, and of course, their homes. Once again, the primary difference here is that the Palestinian nutjobs fully intend to commit wholesale slaughter. Their acts are not one of human or computer miscalculation (as is the case with the Israelis).

Think of it this way -- is it in Israel's best interest to shoot at civilians? No, it's not. Doing so merely gains the Palestinians support through sympathy all around the world. Contrast that with the Palestinians, who don't give a damn what the world's perception is of them and look to the surrounding Middle Eastern countries for support. They're combined hatred of Israel (and by extension, Jews) is what fuels them and public acceptance is a moot point.

[alienlovechild 75]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

There's a difference between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel may hit civilians from time to time (such as in this story), but they don't intend to kill civilians. It happens, but then again, civilian causalities are always present in war. The U.S. armed forces (and every other military in the world) has unintentionally caused civilian deaths. That's sad, but it's a fact of warfare.

The Palestinians, by contrast, purposefully set out to murder civilians. A "good day" is when as many Israelis as possible are killed in shopping centers, schools, discos, and of course, their homes. Once again, the primary difference here is that the Palestinian nutjobs fully intend to commit wholesale slaughter. Their acts are not one of human or computer miscalculation (as is the case with the Israelis).

Think of it this way -- is it in Israel's best interest to shoot at civilians? No, it's not. Doing so merely gains the Palestinians support through sympathy all around the world. Contrast that with the Palestinians, who don't give a damn what the world's perception is of them and look to the surrounding Middle Eastern countries for support. They're combined hatred of Israel (and by extension, Jews) is what fuels them and public acceptance is a moot point.

I wish I said that first.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

There's a difference between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel may hit civilians from time to time (such as in this story), but they don't intend to kill civilians. It happens, but then again, civilian causalities are always present in war. The U.S. armed forces (and every other military in the world) has unintentionally caused civilian deaths. That's sad, but it's a fact of warfare.

The Palestinians, by contrast, purposefully set out to murder civilians. A "good day" is when as many Israelis as possible are killed in shopping centers, schools, discos, and of course, their homes. Once again, the primary difference here is that the Palestinian nutjobs fully intend to commit wholesale slaughter. Their acts are not one of human or computer miscalculation (as is the case with the Israelis).

Think of it this way -- is it in Israel's best interest to shoot at civilians? No, it's not. Doing so merely gains the Palestinians support through sympathy all around the world. Contrast that with the Palestinians, who don't give a damn what the world's perception is of them and look to the surrounding Middle Eastern countries for support. They're combined hatred of Israel (and by extension, Jews) is what fuels them and public acceptance is a moot point.

That's a false argument though. You can't drop a bomb on a densely populated area without having already had to rationalise the likely outcome. We're not talking "Whoops, I accidentally dropped a pile of plates here" - rather its "I deliberately dropped that pile of plates in order to break the specific one that I don't like".

Military planners generally factor in civilian casualties when planning operations (i.e. this is what we anticipate) - a UK friend of mine used to work for the MOD as a statistician doing precisely that. That of course is different from the commander who makes a decision that killing 10, 20, 30+ people via airstrike is acceptable in order to take out a single high profile individual.

What a person's original intent was, they still go through more or less the same process of rationalisation.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

There's a difference between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel may hit civilians from time to time (such as in this story), but they don't intend to kill civilians. It happens, but then again, civilian causalities are always present in war. The U.S. armed forces (and every other military in the world) has unintentionally caused civilian deaths. That's sad, but it's a fact of warfare.

The Palestinians, by contrast, purposefully set out to murder civilians. A "good day" is when as many Israelis as possible are killed in shopping centers, schools, discos, and of course, their homes. Once again, the primary difference here is that the Palestinian nutjobs fully intend to commit wholesale slaughter. Their acts are not one of human or computer miscalculation (as is the case with the Israelis).

Think of it this way -- is it in Israel's best interest to shoot at civilians? No, it's not. Doing so merely gains the Palestinians support through sympathy all around the world. Contrast that with the Palestinians, who don't give a damn what the world's perception is of them and look to the surrounding Middle Eastern countries for support. They're combined hatred of Israel (and by extension, Jews) is what fuels them and public acceptance is a moot point.

That's a false argument though. You can't drop a bomb on a densely populated area without having already had to rationalise the likely outcome. We're not talking "Whoops, I accidentally dropped a pile of plates here" - rather its "I deliberately dropped that pile of plates in order to break the specific one that I don't like".

Military planners generally factor in civilian casualties when planning operations (i.e. this is what we anticipate) - a UK friend of mine used to work for the MOD as a statistician doing precisely that. That of course is different from the commander who makes a decision that killing 10, 20, 30+ people via airstrike is acceptable in order to take out a single high profile individual.

What a person's original intent was, they still go through more or less the same process of rationalisation.

So... I guess the bombing strikes performed by both the USAAF and the RAF during WWII could be classified as terrorism?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

There's a difference between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel may hit civilians from time to time (such as in this story), but they don't intend to kill civilians. It happens, but then again, civilian causalities are always present in war. The U.S. armed forces (and every other military in the world) has unintentionally caused civilian deaths. That's sad, but it's a fact of warfare.

The Palestinians, by contrast, purposefully set out to murder civilians. A "good day" is when as many Israelis as possible are killed in shopping centers, schools, discos, and of course, their homes. Once again, the primary difference here is that the Palestinian nutjobs fully intend to commit wholesale slaughter. Their acts are not one of human or computer miscalculation (as is the case with the Israelis).

Think of it this way -- is it in Israel's best interest to shoot at civilians? No, it's not. Doing so merely gains the Palestinians support through sympathy all around the world. Contrast that with the Palestinians, who don't give a damn what the world's perception is of them and look to the surrounding Middle Eastern countries for support. They're combined hatred of Israel (and by extension, Jews) is what fuels them and public acceptance is a moot point.

That's a false argument though. You can't drop a bomb on a densely populated area without having already had to rationalise the likely outcome. We're not talking "Whoops, I accidentally dropped a pile of plates here" - rather its "I deliberately dropped that pile of plates in order to break the specific one that I don't like".

Military planners generally factor in civilian casualties when planning operations (i.e. this is what we anticipate) - a UK friend of mine used to work for the MOD as a statistician doing precisely that. That of course is different from the commander who makes a decision that killing 10, 20, 30+ people via airstrike is acceptable in order to take out a single high profile individual.

What a person's original intent was, they still go through more or less the same process of rationalisation.

So... I guess the bombing strikes performed by both the USAAF and the RAF during WWII could be classified as terrorism?

What does WW2 have to do with what I said?

[DeadPoolX 9]

Israel is targeting civilians. I hope all US citizens can sleep at night knowing that our administration is in full support of this.

There's a difference between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel may hit civilians from time to time (such as in this story), but they don't intend to kill civilians. It happens, but then again, civilian causalities are always present in war. The U.S. armed forces (and every other military in the world) has unintentionally caused civilian deaths. That's sad, but it's a fact of warfare.

The Palestinians, by contrast, purposefully set out to murder civilians. A "good day" is when as many Israelis as possible are killed in shopping centers, schools, discos, and of course, their homes. Once again, the primary difference here is that the Palestinian nutjobs fully intend to commit wholesale slaughter. Their acts are not one of human or computer miscalculation (as is the case with the Israelis).

Think of it this way -- is it in Israel's best interest to shoot at civilians? No, it's not. Doing so merely gains the Palestinians support through sympathy all around the world. Contrast that with the Palestinians, who don't give a damn what the world's perception is of them and look to the surrounding Middle Eastern countries for support. They're combined hatred of Israel (and by extension, Jews) is what fuels them and public acceptance is a moot point.

That's a false argument though. You can't drop a bomb on a densely populated area without having already had to rationalise the likely outcome. We're not talking "Whoops, I accidentally dropped a pile of plates here" - rather its "I deliberately dropped that pile of plates in order to break the specific one that I don't like".

Military planners generally factor in civilian casualties when planning operations (i.e. this is what we anticipate) - a UK friend of mine used to work for the MOD as a statistician doing precisely that. That of course is different from the commander who makes a decision that killing 10, 20, 30+ people via airstrike is acceptable in order to take out a single high profile individual.

What a person's original intent was, they still go through more or less the same process of rationalisation.

So... I guess the bombing strikes performed by both the USAAF and the RAF during WWII could be classified as terrorism?

What does WW2 have to do with what I said?

In WWII, the UK and the U.S. conducted bombing runs over Germany during the night and day. They were attempting to strike targets of military value, but they ended up killing many civilians instead (even when the intended target was blown up).

So if Israel's military actions are seen as "unwarranted" and "terrorism," the same would hold true for the allied forces in Europe during WWII.

You can't have it both ways. It's either terrorism or it's not.