Repeal IMBRA petition...

[Chuckles 0]

But hey, what's a few abused, raped, tortured, and/or murdered women compared to the gutwrenching, heartbreaking inconvenience of filling out an extra form?

Wow. Thats really a mean thing to say. Thanks for saying I advocate all these rapes and murders for me.

[noBS 0]

Imbra2005 where's your timeline? Why are you here on VJ?

IMBRA2005 is a likely a paid shill attempting damage control in our forums. Aren't you IMBRA2005? You are so smooth, and right on message aren't you? IMBRA2005 posted the same examples (are they even real ???) in a different thread on this forum. IMBRA2005 is in fact here to do public relations.

Prove me wrong IMBRA2005? Or will you admit it?

IMBRA2005 and their ilk didn't expect the hue and outcry as their legislation is now eating like acid through the lives of innocent people. IMBRA2005 is now terrified that their legislation has turned into a public relations nightmare. They are now in our forum trying to put out the fire.

It is obvious that the IMBRA legislation was written, and has been implemented, in such a way as to cause maximum damage to innocent petitioners. One more subjective measure by which the interviewing consulate can misunderstand something and delay or deny you your life with your loved one.

The law throws out the baby with the bath water. It is a wrecking ball, impacting every good decent American petitioner (and their fiancee) that is now in its path.

Now you have passed legislation discrimating against American seeking foriegn spouses. What's next? Legislation for age difference? Race difference? Religious difference? What about americans on Match.COM? YAHOO! Personals?

IMBRA is the result of one more special interest group taking away the freedoms of 99.999% percent of people because of sensationalised, exceedingly rare examples. What of the statistics that marriages to forieners have a 70-80% success rate by some reports? I guess you felt threatened by that statistic didn't you?

Nobody wants to see another human abused, and we all seek full disclosure. But IMBRA is NOT the answer.

Thanks to IMBRA2005 we will be lucky if a fiance visa now can be obtained in less than two years.

[Chuckles 0]

Parts of IMBRA I feel are useful as stated in my previous posts.

But before I can talk to someone I need to submit my personal history?

Another question. Why can convicted (let me highlight that) CONVICTED rapists and murders have the right to marry without restriction? Why do so many men with violent histories not have their motives scrutinized the the government before they are allowed to marry?

I don't care about a few more forms. I would very gladly fill them out AT THE TIME OF K1 FILING if it were required of me, but it is not. IMBRA does not apply to me, I applied well before Mar. 6, so please do not suggest my views are based on my dis-satisfaction to filling out a few forms.

[dalegg 143]

I think IMBRA rules should only apply if you are planning on abusing your foreign spouse. Everybody else should get to go around.

[Imbra2005 0]

Imbra2005 where's your timeline? Why are you here on VJ?

IMBRA2005 is a likely a paid shill attempting damage control in our forums. Aren't you IMBRA2005? You are so smooth, and right on message aren't you? IMBRA2005 posted the same examples (are they even real ???) in a different thread on this forum. IMBRA2005 is in fact here to do public relations.

Prove me wrong IMBRA2005? Or will you admit it?

IMBRA2005 and their ilk didn't expect the hue and outcry as their legislation is now eating like acid through the lives of innocent people. IMBRA2005 is now terrified that their legislation has turned into a public relations nightmare. They are now in our forum trying to put out the fire.

It is obvious that the IMBRA legislation was written, and has been implemented, in such a way as to cause maximum damage to innocent petitioners. One more subjective measure by which the interviewing consulate can misunderstand something and delay or deny you your life with your loved one.

The law throws out the baby with the bath water. It is a wrecking ball, impacting every good decent American petitioner (and their fiancee) that is now in its path.

Now you have passed legislation discrimating against American seeking foriegn spouses. What's next? Legislation for age difference? Race difference? Religious difference? What about americans on Match.COM? YAHOO! Personals?

IMBRA is the result of one more special interest group taking away the freedoms of 99.999% percent of people because of sensationalised, exceedingly rare examples. What of the statistics that marriages to forieners have a 70-80% success rate by some reports? I guess you felt threatened by that statistic didn't you?

Nobody wants to see another human abused, and we all seek full disclosure. But IMBRA is NOT the answer.

Thanks to IMBRA2005 we will be lucky if a fiance visa now can be obtained in less than two years.

All I've done is post the facts -- facts that are all a matter of public record and published in the Congressional Record -- in an effort to explain the rationale and reasoning that was behind the passage of a United States Statute (by the way, there are thousands of pages of studies in peer-reviewed academic journals that show that IMB marriages do have a higher incidence of abuse than others -- I have the data). I didn't attack anyone on this board, but I do find it interesting that the mere mention of these facts throws you into an uncontrollable rage, demonstrating precisely why this law was needed. I am just so thankful that my legal status in this country is not entirely dependent upon someone who angers so quickly at hearing inconvenient truths.

And by the way, did you know that six states currently have "little IMBRA" statutes of their own. At least one of them (Missouri) makes it a FELONY to give false information to a marriage broker with regard to background information.

[Chuckles 0]

I think IMBRA rules should only apply if you are planning on abusing your foreign spouse. Everybody else should get to go around.

Nice sarcasm, do you have a real point? And if so, what is it?

[bubba100 0]

Has anyone seen the whole "bill", law regarding the IMBRA? No wonder this law pass. It was a enacted into the Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005.

http://icreport.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?...major%20actions

[Imbra2005 0]

But before I can talk to someone I need to submit my personal history?

That's not what the law says. The law says that before you can purchase contact information from an international marriage broker (who profits from the transaction), the broker must obtain the "informed consent" of the person whose information you wish to buy. In order to "inform" that person, the broker must be able to give them your background information.

You can talk to whomever you want, whenever you want. Nobody is stopping you.

Edited June 9, 2006 by Imbra2005

[dalegg 143]

I think IMBRA rules should only apply if you are planning on abusing your foreign spouse. Everybody else should get to go around.

Nice sarcasm, do you have a real point? And if so, what is it?

No, I don't.

[almaty 19]

the law was made for the purpose...of a history, maybe limited of abuse by the usc, and the woman or possibly man did not know what they are getting into...it is written for this purpose and i support it..if it saves one person from being killed or physically abused then it served it's purpose...

[Chuckles 0]

But before I can talk to someone I need to submit my personal history?

That's not what the law says. The law says that before you can purchase contact information from an international marriage broker (who profits from the transaction), the broker must obtain the "informed consent" of the person whose information you wish to buy.

You can talk to whomever you want, whenever you want. Nobody is stopping you.

Ok, that is a good point. Of course the criminals will just bypass this law, there are so many holes in it. The others who will do this by the law have nothing to fear, but in the end, nothing has changed.

The only part of the law that will do anything useful is the USC background police check which I have stated I completely advocate. I fear that the USCIS will fail at implementing this without unnecessary further delays, but that is problem with the USCIS and not the law.

the law was made for the purpose...of a history, maybe limited of abuse by the usc, and the woman or possibly man did not know what they are getting into...it is written for this purpose and i support it..if it saves one person from being killed or physically abused then it served it's purpose...

I do agree with you... and I can't pretend to have any answers myself. But I mean... if they passed a law banning sharp-pointy sticks, wouldn't that save a few lives a year from people being impaled?

Anyway, like I said, I support parts of the law.

[Yodrak 7]

A Man of Action,

Note that the foreign visa applicant already gets investigated - numerous times and in numerous ways by the US authorities, and via the police reports from the country where they reside and any other country where they have lived for more than a year as an adult. And those investigations cover more ground than the limited scope of the IMBRA background check.

Yodrak

REMEMBER:

IMBRA only applies to US Males and US Females Only - only US Citizens

Only US Citizens are to be investigated.

The remainder of the Planets Population are not affected.

....

Edited June 9, 2006 by Yodrak

[ccmkoho 0]

But hey, what's a few abused, raped, tortured, and/or murdered women compared to the gutwrenching, heartbreaking inconvenience of filling out an extra form?

Hey Pax,

Here's an idea. Let's open up the check for ALL those getting married domestic included. Why not? There are far more domestic abuse cases than those of international marriages. We can save lives!

Imbra2005, there's no statistical proof/study that says international women are abused at a higher rate than domestic relationships. Please point me to a non-biased statistical study if it exits. Don't try to justify your position by picking and choosing individual cases. And don't tell me that ####### that American men are looking for submissive women.

[Cristy 4]

the law was made for the purpose...of a history, maybe limited of abuse by the usc, and the woman or possibly man did not know what they are getting into...it is written for this purpose and i support it..if it saves one person from being killed or physically abused then it served it's purpose...

Exactly. I do understand that being stuck in limbo is frustrating but don't lose sight of the greater good this law will do.

[Imbra2005 0]

But hey, what's a few abused, raped, tortured, and/or murdered women compared to the gutwrenching, heartbreaking inconvenience of filling out an extra form?

Imbra2005, there's no statistical proof/study that says international women are abused at a higher rate than domestic relationships. Please point me to a non-biased statistical study if it exits. Don't try to justify your position by picking and choosing individual cases. And don't tell me that ####### that American men are looking for submissive women.

This should get you started, if you are actually seeking the facts. The entire report is at:

http://legalmomentum.org/legalmomentum/files/dvusc.pdf

There is a growing body of research data demonstrating that immigrant women are a

particularly vulnerable group of victims of domestic violence. They tend to have fewer

resources, stay longer in the relationship, and sustain more severe physical and emotional

consequences as a result of the abuse and the duration of the abuse than other battered

women in the United States (Abraham, 2000; Anderson, 1993; Ammar, Orloff, Dutton &

Hass, 2005; Ammar & Orloff, 2006; Bui, 2003; Hass, Dutton, & Orloff, 2000; Menjivar

& Salcido, 2002; Raj & Silverman, 2002; Raj & Silverman, 2003; Rodriguez, 2004;

Valdez, 2005; Warrier, 2002). In particular, research studies have found that abusers of

immigrant domestic violence victims actively use their power to control their wife’s and

children’s immigration status and threats of deportation as tools that play upon victim’s

fears so as to keep their abused spouses and children from seeking help or from calling

the police to report the abuse (American Bar Association,1994; Ammar, Orloff, Dutton &

Hass, 2005; Natarajan, 2003; Orloff, Dutton, Hass, & Ammar, 2003; Raj & Silverman,

2003; Ramos & Runner, 1999; Raj, Silverman, McCleary-Sills & Liu, 2005).

Although the lifetime prevalence of domestic violence in the U.S. in the general

population is estimated at 22.1% (Tjaden & Thoennes, 2000), the prevalence of domestic

violence for immigrant women has been reported as being much higher. In a study of

immigrant Latinas in Atlanta; Perilla, Bakerman, and Norris (1994) found that half of

them have sought out assistance for abuse. The Immigrant Women’s Task Force of the

Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights and Service (CIRRS, 1990) in their study of

immigrant Latina and Filipina women in the San Francisco Bay Area found that 34% of

Latinas and 20 % of Filipinas admitted experiencing domestic violence. More than half

(52%) of the battered Latina said they were still living with the abusive partner. Taken

together, studies of intimate partner violence prevalence in Latina, South Asian, and

Korean immigrant women report numbers that range from 30% to 50% (Dutton, Orloff &

Hass, 2000; Raj & Silverman, 2002ab; Rodriguez & Duran, 1995; Song, 1996).

Edited June 9, 2006 by Imbra2005