VISA DENIED 2ND TIME!!!

[zyggy 9]

Why did you say "boy toy"?

The fox has a little bit of a flair for the dramatic.... for better or worse..

[Jenn! 918]

So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...

I actually don't think that it says that much at all in Morocco. The type of fraud that the consulate there is on the lookout for is usually of the kind where the USC does not know that she is being duped. Her presence would do little to change the CO's view of the Moroccan beneficiary's intentions.

[desert_fox 32]

Why did you say "boy toy"?

Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.

Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.

[zyggy 9]

So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...

I actually don't think that it says that much at all in Morocco. The type of fraud that the consulate there is on the lookout for is usually of the kind where the USC does not know that she is being duped. Her presence would do little to change the CO's view of the Moroccan beneficiary's intentions.

Maybe, but it does indicate the USC"s intentions doesn't it... and it takes two to tango... just takes 50% of the perceived problem out of the equation..

Edited June 21, 2006 by zyggy

[Jenn! 918]

Why did you say "boy toy"?

Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.

Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.

I'm pretty sure Sarah knows what "boy toy" means. I think what surprised her was that in your first post, there was the implication that all male beneficiaries from the ME/NA are boy toys. After reading your subsequent posts, you clarified what you meant.

So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...

I actually don't think that it says that much at all in Morocco. The type of fraud that the consulate there is on the lookout for is usually of the kind where the USC does not know that she is being duped. Her presence would do little to change the CO's view of the Moroccan beneficiary's intentions.

Maybe, but it does indicate the USC"s intentions doesn't it... and it takes two to tango... just takes 50% of the perceived problem out of the equation..

Maybe I'm naive about the USC female's usual intentions, but I just don't think that the consulate could care less if you are there. Sure, it helps convince them that the USC wasn't just paid to sponsor a foreign fiance, but I don't think that is what concerns them in Morocco. I think the perceived problem is that the beneficiary is the one with bad intentions. The USC being there says nothing about the beneficiary's intentions.

You could be right. Thankfully it's no longer an issue for us, but in light of everything going on in Casablanca in the past 6 months, I think to make a special trip just for the interview is wasted effort.

[Bosco 1]

Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.

Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.

Not my dream I wouldn't find a relationship with a man significantly younger than me even remotely appealing (and a 20 year difference would land me in jail).

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.

Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.

I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.

Paula

let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.

Odd, indeed. I don't find anything remotely annoying in Paula's post.

Edited June 21, 2006 by diadromous mermaid

[Together4ever 1]

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

Based on your logic no visas should be issued for any people in relationships period. Do you see the holes in this???? Following your own logic would also invalidate your own relationship. As far as "boy toys" goes... thanks for the laugh.

Where do these people come from????

[sarah and hicham 3]

Why did you say "boy toy"?

Oh pleeeeeeeez........every womans dream....a real boy toy.

Dont tell me that you have never heard the expression. I have a real good friend that specializes in them. Her average length of a relationship is about two weeks.

What's a "real" boy toy?

[desert_fox 32]

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

Based on your logic no visas should be issued for any people in relationships period. Do you see the holes in this???? Following your own logic would also invalidate your own relationship. As far as "boy toys" goes... thanks for the laugh.

Where do these people come from????

But....My wife (then fiancee) received her visa....no problem...because we didnt have these kinds of issues. You must be in denial if you believe and any of the problems that I listed wont cause a problem. These threads are full of nothing but problems. Isnt is obvious to you yet when there are going to be red flags??? I see them every time I read of these posts. Since Im not emotionally involved, its relatively easy to see the problem. Older christian woman meets young good looking muslim while on vacation...he pays more attention to her than she has ever had in her life.....etc.....you fill in the blanks. I see it every time I go to Jamaica, and several other places that I have been. Young men that want to get out of their country and into the US.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I don't think that the term "boy toy" is appropriate here. Since your friend has one every two weeks that seems like that would not apply to ANYONE on this website since we are all either ENGAGED or MARRIED indicating a relationship that lasts longer than 2 weeks.

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

Based on your logic no visas should be issued for any people in relationships period. Do you see the holes in this???? Following your own logic would also invalidate your own relationship. As far as "boy toys" goes... thanks for the laugh.

Where do these people come from????

But....My wife (then fiancee) received her visa....no problem...because we didnt have these kinds of issues. You must be in denial if you believe and any of the problems that I listed wont cause a problem. These threads are full of nothing but problems. Isnt is obvious to you yet when there are going to be red flags??? I see them every time I read of these posts. Since Im not emotionally involved, its relatively easy to see the problem. Older christian woman meets young good looking muslim while on vacation...he pays more attention to her than she has ever had in her life.....etc.....you fill in the blanks. I see it every time I go to Jamaica, and several other places that I have been. Young men that want to get out of their country and into the US.

Jamaica? This is the Middle East/North Africa forum. Welcome.

[desert_fox 32]

I don't think that the term "boy toy" is appropriate here. Since your friend has one every two weeks that seems like that would not apply to ANYONE on this website since we are all either ENGAGED or MARRIED indicating a relationship that lasts longer than 2 weeks.

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

Based on your logic no visas should be issued for any people in relationships period. Do you see the holes in this???? Following your own logic would also invalidate your own relationship. As far as "boy toys" goes... thanks for the laugh.

Where do these people come from????

But....My wife (then fiancee) received her visa....no problem...because we didnt have these kinds of issues. You must be in denial if you believe and any of the problems that I listed wont cause a problem. These threads are full of nothing but problems. Isnt is obvious to you yet when there are going to be red flags??? I see them every time I read of these posts. Since Im not emotionally involved, its relatively easy to see the problem. Older christian woman meets young good looking muslim while on vacation...he pays more attention to her than she has ever had in her life.....etc.....you fill in the blanks. I see it every time I go to Jamaica, and several other places that I have been. Young men that want to get out of their country and into the US.

Jamaica? This is the Middle East/North Africa forum. Welcome.

Good...then your job is to convince the US Consulate of that fact. Apparently, some have bee not so good at doing that.

[Jenn! 918]

I agree that the use of the term "boy toy" is not appropriate here because it implies that the USC female is using the beneficiary, while the kind of fraud you're talking about is the other way around.

Or else maybe you think the USC female deserves what she gets?????

[sarah and hicham 3]

I don't think that the term "boy toy" is appropriate here. Since your friend has one every two weeks that seems like that would not apply to ANYONE on this website since we are all either ENGAGED or MARRIED indicating a relationship that lasts longer than 2 weeks.

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

Based on your logic no visas should be issued for any people in relationships period. Do you see the holes in this???? Following your own logic would also invalidate your own relationship. As far as "boy toys" goes... thanks for the laugh.

Where do these people come from????

But....My wife (then fiancee) received her visa....no problem...because we didnt have these kinds of issues. You must be in denial if you believe and any of the problems that I listed wont cause a problem. These threads are full of nothing but problems. Isnt is obvious to you yet when there are going to be red flags??? I see them every time I read of these posts. Since Im not emotionally involved, its relatively easy to see the problem. Older christian woman meets young good looking muslim while on vacation...he pays more attention to her than she has ever had in her life.....etc.....you fill in the blanks. I see it every time I go to Jamaica, and several other places that I have been. Young men that want to get out of their country and into the US.

Jamaica? This is the Middle East/North Africa forum. Welcome.

Good...then your job is to convince the US Consulate of that fact. Apparently, some have bee not so good at doing that.

I will, thanks!

[kerewin21 2]

Instead of everyone focusing their energies on how the consulate doesn't have a right to do what they did (which by the way they do)... maybe everyone should be focusing their energies on solutions...

Zyggy, you make some good points, but I object to your opening statement. Does the consulate really have the right to ignore their own regulations? Their regulations say that, first of all, they are required to present, in writing, as detailed an explanation as possible detailing why the CO believes that the couple is not eligible for a visa. All the cases that have been sent back have gotten a piece of paper stating simply that the case is being sent back to DHS. That does not seem to me to be a detailed explanation.

Second of all, the rules say that the petitioner and beneficiary may present additional evidence attempting to refute the CO's decision prior to the petition's being sent back. Most of the Moroccan petitions, on the contrary, have been sent back the following day. It's pretty hard to present additional evidence when you don't know what the CO's objection is and they send the application back immediately.

As for "the fox," he's certainly not worth wasting any energy on.