VISA DENIED 2ND TIME!!!

[chiquita 0]

Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.

Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.

I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.

Paula

let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.

[morocco4ever 63]

Make sure your fiancee/husband is very careful about being pushy to show your evidence. There are differences in what you can get away with, with demanding the CO's to look at your evidence. The worst of the CO in Morocco will probably find ways to deny you if you piss her off. But instead use tricks to get your evidence out there. 1) Make sure you have folders and make sure they are clearly marked what evidence you have in them. 2) When the CO asks a question, then make sure your fiancee/husband digs out the evidence that goes along with it. For example if they are asked how do you communicate. He or she should say we communicate by phone, online and by snail mail. At the very same time he should be grabbing the phone bills, the copies of the e-mails and instant message print outs. That question from the CO asks for evidence and is your chance so they will not take offense later when in their mind it's not the time to show since they didn't ask for it. In short you have to know how to play the game to interview these CO's based on their personalities and what you can get away with. So practice and prepare what you will do for questions you know you will get then it's a habit and you will do fine.

Going to be with your fiancee/husband during their interview is good advice but I do not feel it is 100% necessary since some Consulates do not let you go in with them. Plus you probably have limited vacation time and money to make the trip at the last minute and the CO's realize this. If you have all the other proof and how you present it most likely will be enough. But if you can afford the time off and the money and feel better go to the interview, it sure can't hurt either. But do not skip all the other more important prep work to make your interview successful. Do not come out of the interview regretting you took the short cut and didn't practice and prepare, you will only have yourself to blame if you fail. Do not only blame CO for your case being denied if you didn't do your work. I am not saying the CO is always right, but it's not their fault to see through your dumb mistakes and approve you anyway just because you are nicer than the last couple that failed their interview just like you did. I know some people will get offended because they were denied, but I ask them to be honest with their cases and take their own blame if they messed up.

I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.

Paula

let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.

Chi,

Don't let Paula ruffle your feathers. Some people claim to know all of the answers but really have no clue what they are talking about. She doesn't know any of us personally and although we know she really doesn't understand the situation, there is no changing her mind. All we can do is just keep telling our stories, getting the word out there, helping those that fall into our shoes, and stay strong until our loved ones get here.

You have a vast knowledge of the laws and how the system works, and I plan on using your strategy when my time comes. As far as anyone elses advice, well we just have to weed through them for the good and the bad, and take into account who has been there before, and who hasn't.

[gimygirl 0]

let me tell ya, you piss me off! you must be a CO to say the things you say.

nice attitude!! paula offered sound advice that, frankly, anyone on this entire board could use when prepping for their interview. it's a shame that you can't keep emotions out of this and had to reply in such a derogatory fashion.

[Jenn! 918]

I only offer my advice because all the work I did paid off with a visa from Morocco and it has helped other couples get their visas from Morocco also. In fact every couple I and my husband helped has gotten their visa. And I hope my advice helps others.

Paula

Just curious - what do you mean by this exactly? Are you an immigration attorney? How are you helping couples get visas?

[Private 1]

I would think that the culture in Morocco is one that is put in to consideration. I am not sure, But maybe you should try another visa. One thing that I say one this trend and I plan on doing is visiting more than once. AI am muslim and a wedding is a big deal, so to not have one would bring about a question I think. I am not sure and I am learning from you experince, I am engaged to a Moroccoan and I am scared to death that there will be problems. But can you tell how many times you been to Morocco, and the conditions you meet. i meet my fiance through my friend who is his cousin. We have been chating and emailing. We want to get maaried and I am going to meet him. But I am sure I will have a hard time. I am thining of just going over there and marrying him legally, so that we can do the K-3 but I dont know. And do you have to do the K-3 at the Embassy?

[desert_fox 32]

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

[Bosco 1]

Our case was approved as easy as pie. My husband was asked about his work and asked only to explain what my job title meant. I don't go on to assume that we somehow prepared our case better than anyone else.

He didn't go to the interview with a sectioned off binder, I wasn't there, I had only been to Morocco once, and the I-129F I had submitted was very slim in comparison to one I have read about on here. We got lucky... whatever.. but I would never claim or imply we somehow did it better than someone else.

The consulate is NOT doing what they are supposed. One only has to look at the protocols they are supposed to follow to know they are not in adherance. Whether or not there may be some justification for returning these cases is actually an entirely separate issue. None of these couples have been given the opportunity to overcome their petitions being returned at the consulate level and that ALONE is wrong.

Rebecca

[sarah and hicham 3]

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.

[gimygirl 0]

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.

sarah ... meet the fox!! he is always serious!!

[Jenn! 918]

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

Care to enlighten us as to who the "you" is there in your first statement? Sounds like you're addressing the entire ME/NA forum, or maybe just those of us with SOs from Morocco?

And many couples have a "a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences", not just those from ME/NA. What are you trying to say exactly?

[Bosco 1]

.....And just because a visa is approved doesn't make the case somehow legit. I know of a few women who found out their husband's real intentions once they got here. This consulate isn't that great at sniffing out fraud and obviously will erroneously deny visas to completely legitimate petitions as well.

Rebecca

[sarah and hicham 3]

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.

sarah ... meet the fox!! he is always serious!!

Thumbs down to that.

Desert Fox are you familiar with the Moroccan Consulate? You cannot generalize about Consulates because they are all a little different especially the one in Casablanca. I'm wondering if you have experienced filing through Morocco to say what you did? (I'm assuming not since under your name it says Spain).

[desert_fox 32]

.....And just because a visa is approved doesn't make the case somehow legit. I know of a few women who found out their husband's real intentions once they got here. This consulate isn't that great at sniffing out fraud and obviously will erroneously deny visas to completely legitimate petitions as well.

Rebecca

This pretty much reflects what I meant. The Consulate does not consider these to be valid relationships, and choses to send the petition back to the USCIS. You may not like my words, but iit's kind of hard to refute them based upon what is actually happening.

If your petition gets returned....its because they dont believe you or they dont believe your young spouse.

Look like the Consulate wont let you bring your boy toys to the US anymore.

Anytime you have a combination of age, religion, culture, or language differences, you will be raising a red flag. If these are contrary to the usual culture there, then they are not going to believe in the validity of your relationship. They are allowed to make subjective judgements like many of you are finding out.

They dont believe that many of these relationships are based on love, but based upon other motives. His motives or your motives.

I hope that your "boy toy" comment was not serious, seriously.

sarah ... meet the fox!! he is always serious!!

Thumbs down to that.

Desert Fox are you familiar with the Moroccan Consulate? You cannot generalize about Consulates because they are all a little different especially the one in Casablanca. I'm wondering if you have experienced filing through Morocco to say what you did? (I'm assuming not since under your name it says Spain).

nope...I only know what I read here, and what the logical conclusions are.

Dont get me wrong....if you have a valid relationship, then I hope you get approved...just be ready for a rough ride as they have been burned before and now want and need to be more convinced.

Not many young Morrocan men are married to women some 20 years older than they are. Its a RED flag!!!

[zyggy 9]

Instead of everyone focusing their energies on how the consulate doesn't have a right to do what they did (which by the way they do)... maybe everyone should be focusing their energies on solutions...

As you have all figured out, the consulate has every right to make subjective jodgements on the validity of a relationship. It help to know what the job of the CO is and what their position is. Their position is to keep people out of the US.. meaning that they only have to give out a visa to individuals who have proven without a doubt in their mind that they are eligible for it. However, they are not permitted to second guess the USCIS. Meaning that if evidence about the validity of the relation was presented to the USCIS and accepted by the USCIS, they have to find another way to send the petition back...

So the solution to the problem is to find out what would need to be provided to the Consular Officer in the form of physical, subjective evidence that would lead them to the conclusion that the marriage was not entered into for the purposes of subverting immigration laws. Unfortunately, there have been many many documented cases of people who have had significant age differences having problems with fradulaent marriages...

Keep in mind that every action that you do is being weighed by the consular officer. So even though the presence of the USC is not required, the mere statement that the USC is in the next room, outside the consulate, etc. means a lot to the CO in showing the the relationship is valid. There have been individuals who have brought their SO's US passport into the interview to show the CO that their SO was indeed in the country waiting for them... believe me.. it speaks volumes. As other have said, the CO's know that there was some sacrifice made on the part of the USC to be there. The fact that that sacrifice was made says a lot...

In addition, then comment made by several people here on what to do in the interview are right on... criticising them is completely misguided... and misses the point. The goal is to get your SO into the US to be with you.. you should be willing to jump through whatever hoops that would get you there. If that takes a big wedding ceremony because that is what the culture expects, then you do it.. if it's taking on the phone every day.. then you do it... if it takes making a gift to the family's mosque, you do it..

Keep your eye on the prize and you'll get there faster..

Edited June 21, 2006 by zyggy

[sarah and hicham 3]

Why did you say "boy toy"?