VISA DENIED 2ND TIME!!!

[frndly1 1]

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

[chiquita 0]

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, chiquita. There's no need to insult people who have done nothing to hurt you. If you want to fight, fight to win, not to alienate.

[babybunny 2]

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.

you know that was a valid qustion chi. I know you are upset. VJ is a good source of support

I did not see anyone say anything offensive.

[chiquita 0]

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, chiquita. There's no need to insult people who have done nothing to hurt you. If you want to fight, fight to win, not to alienate.

I am not trying to insult anyone. It gets frustrating when the same questions keep being asked. Did he say anything wrong? I can only guess...no. He said he loves his wife and wants to be with her. He was hoping the bus he was on would just crash and kill him when he was on his way home from the consulate. My husband feels he is in exile. For what? Because there is an age difference.

I am just looking for laws to help them. I know they exist because I have read them. I was hoping someone had done some research lately and my have had the links handy.

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.

you know that was a valid qustion chi. I know you are upset. VJ is a good source of support

I did not see anyone say anything offensive.

I know shon, but that was already asked. I am looking to help them. he was asked about 50 questions. Some were so absurd! Like why hasn't your wife's family come to visit you. Come on. Dis he know his wife was married and divorced x amount of times. Yessssss, he knows all about her. They have known each other for a long time now, just like my husband and me.

No one has been offensive, I am sorry if it apears I have been offensive, that it not my intention at all, please forgive me. I just want to help them.

[AngelK96 0]

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, chiquita. There's no need to insult people who have done nothing to hurt you. If you want to fight, fight to win, not to alienate.

I am not trying to insult anyone. It gets frustrating when the same questions keep being asked. Did he say anything wrong? I can only guess...no. He said he loves his wife and wants to be with her. He was hoping the bus he was on would just crash and kill him when he was on his way home from the consulate. My husband feels he is in exile. For what? Because there is an age difference.

I am just looking for laws to help them. I know they exist because I have read them. I was hoping someone had done some research lately and my have had the links handy.

I think a lot of the questions being asked are purely innocent. I know I am not knowledgeable in this matter and maybe some others are not also. I think a lot of brainstorming as to why some people get denied their visas goes on here. I am pretty sure it's because they only want to help. We can only speculated as to what happen. I sincerely hope you find the information you are seeking. We got a 221g for lack of information and i know the feeling I felt was helplessness at that time.

Angel

[Bosco 1]

I know shon, but that was already asked. I am looking to help them. he was asked about 50 questions. Some were so absurd! Like why hasn't your wife's family come to visit you. Come on. Dis he know his wife was married and divorced x amount of times. Yessssss, he knows all about her. They have known each other for a long time now, just like my husband and me.

No one has been offensive, I am sorry if it apears I have been offensive, that it not my intention at all, please forgive me. I just want to help them.

Chi,

I don't think you have been offensive. I can imagine all I want but I don't know what it is like to be in your shoes or your friends, and I am sure hearing what happened to your friend is troubling for anyone who is waiting for a second interview.

As far as the questioning, I think it is normal human instinct to try to make sense of things, whatever it may be. We try to reason away things. I think this is why the questions come in about what the husband's may have said or did. The first place to look would be the interview since that is where the 221(g) was issued. I don't think anyone means to be hurtful -- they just want to "understand" and we understand by trying to come up with a reason. With that said, I can completely understand why hearing other people try to make sense of something as inexplicable as this embassy could wear you out as your situation is stressful enough (and I am sure you have all gone through every scenario in your own minds). While I wish this didn't happen to anyone, I am glad there are others who can relate to you and you to them, because it would be a whole lot worse if each of you had to face this alone.

I hope all of you can be reunited with your loved ones soon and don't have to go through this ####### a second time as your friend has unfortunately had to do.

Rebecca

[iceyspots 0]

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.

Nobody thought Goldenheart's fiancé said anything wrong either, but he did. Sometimes people say strange things under pressure or coercion. They really do ask a lot of questions and just wait for you to slip up on something then they eat you alive with it. It's unfortunate but true.

Edited June 10, 2006 by iceyspots

[Sofiyya 1,687]

((((( Oh, honey))))), I'm 53 and my husband's 32, so if Casa discriminates on the basis of age, this will affect me too. Half of my family is married to immigrants, but none of us have the same circumstances or story to tell. I moved to Colorado to work for a relative's law firm and even she had to hire a lawyer to help with her husband's immigration issues!

We all care, or we wouldn't respond. The bottom line is, the process (using the word loosely) is bewildering to most of us. We're trying to be logical where logic doesn't count. You're probably beyond the realm of logic, so it all sounds like _______ to you. Please try to take it as it's meant, concern and caring for a process (using the word loosely) where we all feel powerless and somewhat abused but we don't have to feel alone.

Edited June 10, 2006 by szsz

[Together4ever 1]

Ameen.

[Isabel 0]

HI chiquita,

well I just read the messages here and hm what to say. Im sorry for what happened.

But to be realistic, were you in part at the interview? Or how can you tell what she said? How she reacted, if she might said something strange...that was a red flag? How can you know? Maybe she/he doesnt know it either. And if they already got denied another visa it is imaginable that the next interview would be harder as well...cos they need to convince the officer now that they indeed love each other etc.

Just to ask, why couldnt they repeal the first denial of the K3? That might have been a better choice instead of going further and trying to get the immigration visa? Sure finally they wanna get that but first off shoudlnt they try to get an approval for the K3?

Maybe im misinformed here, but that would be my try, cos for me it would be a red flag, why they just went on and went for the immigration visa.

Isabel

[AngelK96 0]

chiquita is trying to seek information now and if anyone has information to share it would be greatly appreciated !!!!

[babybunny 2]

HI chiquita,

well I just read the messages here and hm what to say. Im sorry for what happened.

But to be realistic, were you in part at the interview? Or how can you tell what she said? How she reacted, if she might said something strange...that was a red flag? How can you know? Maybe she/he doesnt know it either. And if they already got denied another visa it is imaginable that the next interview would be harder as well...cos they need to convince the officer now that they indeed love each other etc.

Just to ask, why couldnt they repeal the first denial of the K3? That might have been a better choice instead of going further and trying to get the immigration visa? Sure finally they wanna get that but first off shoudlnt they try to get an approval for the K3?

Maybe im misinformed here, but that would be my try, cos for me it would be a red flag, why they just went on and went for the immigration visa.

Isabel

thats valid point.

at this point all they can do is get this situation turned around. they need to seek the advise of an attorney.

[AngelK96 0]

thanks shon! If i am correct chiquita is looking for solutions! As i stated earlier any information is greatly appreciated!! Lets go VJ lets give this lady some solutions rather than questions.

Edited June 10, 2006 by angelk96

[chiquita 0]

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, chiquita. There's no need to insult people who have done nothing to hurt you. If you want to fight, fight to win, not to alienate.

Thanks for you concern, I really do appreciate it.

We do know why they were denied. The CO does not believe the husband loves the wife.

I am not trying to insult anyone. It gets frustrating when the same questions keep being asked. Did he say anything wrong? I can only guess...no. He said he loves his wife and wants to be with her. He was hoping the bus he was on would just crash and kill him when he was on his way home from the consulate. My husband feels he is in exile. For what? Because there is an age difference.

I am just looking for laws to help them. I know they exist because I have read them. I was hoping someone had done some research lately and my have had the links handy.

I think a lot of the questions being asked are purely innocent. I know I am not knowledgeable in this matter and maybe some others are not also. I think a lot of brainstorming as to why some people get denied their visas goes on here. I am pretty sure it's because they only want to help. We can only speculated as to what happen. I sincerely hope you find the information you are seeking. We got a 221g for lack of information and i know the feeling I felt was helplessness at that time.

Angel

Does any one know if the husband may have said something to trigger this CO's deision?

I feel for this person.

What does that matter? This case was reaffirimed by USCIS for DOS to take action on, yet they gave the infamous 221g letter with nothing marked and verbably saying she doesn't beleive he loves his wife after being married for more than 2 years. If that is not abuse of power, I sure don't know what is. The CO is to be VERY clear in why they will not issue a visa in the case of immigrants. Yet Casa has a history for not following the laws.

I don't understand why the ppl here don't get it...why does it have to be that the couple did something wrong??????????? I know in our case and most of the denied cases the couples did nothing wrong. The problem is the CO....age difference....denied!!! Period! Case sent back to USCIS.

This is the same problem I ran into last year when I first shared what happened to us. Everyone figured we did something wrong and those who were issued visas did the right thing. I guess most will never understand until it happens to them. I am so glad there is a group to go to for support, cuz it isn't here.

Nobody thought Goldenheart's fiancé said anything wrong either, but he did. Sometimes people say strange things under pressure or coercion. They really do ask a lot of questions and just wait for you to slip up on something then they eat you alive with it. It's unfortunate but true.

What did GH fiancee say that was wrong? Did i miss that part?

GH fiancee mentioned the religious ceremony the next day AFTER he was put in jail.

COERCION (forcing of somebody to do something: the use of force or threats to make somebody do something against his or her will) IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!

((((( Oh, honey))))), I'm 53 and my husband's 32, so if Casa discriminates on the basis of age, this will affect me too. Half of my family is married to immigrants, but none of us have the same circumstances or story to tell. I moved to Colorado to work for a relative's law firm and even she had to hire a lawyer to help with her husband's immigration issues!

We all care, or we wouldn't respond. The bottom line is, the process (using the word loosely) is bewildering to most of us. We're trying to be logical where logic doesn't count. You're probably beyond the realm of logic, so it all sounds like _______ to you. Please try to take it as it's meant, concern and caring for a process (using the word loosely) where we all feel powerless and somewhat abused but we don't have to feel alone.

I understand what you are saying. I never meant to imply that no one cared.

i am not beildered or beyond logic at all. That happened last year when we were first denied. I have since had our case reaffirnmed and feel very positive about it.

I am just trying to get the law and guidelines to help this couple. We are not powerless in this situation. At least i don't feel that way. I fought back and I won.

HI chiquita,

well I just read the messages here and hm what to say. Im sorry for what happened.

But to be realistic, were you in part at the interview? Or how can you tell what she said? How she reacted, if she might said something strange...that was a red flag? How can you know? Maybe she/he doesnt know it either. And if they already got denied another visa it is imaginable that the next interview would be harder as well...cos they need to convince the officer now that they indeed love each other etc.

Just to ask, why couldnt they repeal the first denial of the K3? That might have been a better choice instead of going further and trying to get the immigration visa? Sure finally they wanna get that but first off shoudlnt they try to get an approval for the K3?

Maybe im misinformed here, but that would be my try, cos for me it would be a red flag, why they just went on and went for the immigration visa.

Isabel

No I was not part of the interview. why would I need to be there to help this couple? Their case was reaffrimed by USCIS and sent back to DOS for action. That means issue the visa. But in this case the CO said she just cant believe the husband loves her. How does her believe system enter into this judgement? The relationship was proved and now USCIS was asking DOS to issue the visa. Plain and simple.

A k3 (non immigrant)visa is no longer valid once the CO denies it. It not our choice it is the law.

In oder to even file for a K3 one has to file for the I-130 Immigrant first. Once a K3 is denied the DOS and USCIS thereafter only uses the I-130 Immigrant to review.

I am hoping you understand now. All I was hoping to get was the law and guidelines for them.

chiquita is trying to seek information now and if anyone has information to share it would be greatly appreciated !!!!

THANK YOU!