VISA DENIED 2ND TIME!!!

[chiquita 0]

My friends' husband was once again denied a visa!!!!!!!

Over a year ago he was denied a K3 due to the validity of the relationship....ie she is older than him. Her petition was returned to CIS and was reaffirmed!!!

He interviewed for the I-130 yesterday and was told by the CO he did not provide enough evidence of the marriage!!! How can this be?

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the CO give this particular petition a chance to be over come since it is an immigrant one? They have been married over 2 years now.

Any information would be greatly appreciated, especially if it is legal.

chi

[~*Dorothy*~ 2]

Sorry to hear about your friend's misfortune...That is a devastating news for the couple but I am sure she still has some legal recourses to fight this decision...At this point she must seriously look into appeal and get a professional legal advice...My prayers are with her and her husband...

[lostinlove228 0]

You friend should consult with a lawyer. That is the best advise

[CrystalDream 0]

Hi Chiquita -- I am so sorry to hear the bad news! Remember, there is always hope and perhaps an attorney could help.

I was wondering -- what country is your friend's husband from?

Also you mentioned she is older than him? I would be interested to know their ages.

I hope everything will be ok!

Crystal

[babybunny 2]

oh man. I am sorry for your friend. I pray they can get this matter resolved.

[chiquita 0]

The country is Morocco and there is about a 10 year or maybe more age difference.

[iceyspots 0]

were the interviewed by the wicked wench ?

and was it the same person the first and second time?

and was it actually "denied" this time, or just given a 221(g) and sent back to the United States for intention to revoke?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

Edited June 9, 2006 by szsz

[iceyspots 0]

In Morocco the specific concern is fraud.

It is true that a large age gap is a red flag, but the CO must take into consideration all evidence that is put forth. In many cases, Casa is not doing that. They do have challenges to face considering they are a high fraud post, but they are not handling them in the proper way.

[Together4ever 1]

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

It seems the key to get through this process as smoothly as possible is building an extremely strong case. It takes a lot of forethought, which sometimes is just not possible, but I think almost every couple has a "red flag" or 2. I think if you're able to anticipate those and provide enough support to show they are not issues, then they are no longer viewed as such. This case being discussed in this thread is heart breaking and I pray they can find a way through this.

You know, we had not planned on having a big wing-ding wedding. We are quiet simple people and just want the ceremony for what it is. But we are left feeling we must make a bigger deal out of it then we want to just have to the darn PROOF to present when needed. Love is a difficult thing to prove on paper... grrr.

[chiquita 0]

were the interviewed by the wicked wench ?

and was it the same person the first and second time?

and was it actually "denied" this time, or just given a 221(g) and sent back to the United States for intention to revoke?

No, the women are new since we were denied last year. The first time it was Nick Snyger, older guy.

I just spoke with my friend, the CO asked about 50 questions and then said she did not believe that he married her because he loved her. The CO said she believes he married her to get a green card!!!!!!!!!!

CO wanted to know why his wife's family never came to visit Morocco!!

Husband asked what do you need from us, we will try to get it.

CO said she had enough proof of the relationship, she just doesn't believe it.

Co gave a 221g letter with nothing marked on it. No Ap, no further review, nothing.

My advice to friend:

Send e mail to Casa asking what does the letter mean.

Call Casa tomorrow and ask what does the 221g letter mean.

Follow up with representatives, which she did.

Any other suggestions?

[chiquita 0]

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

Like I just posted, the CO said she does not believe the husband loves the wife, he only wants a green card.

There are many many couples denied visas in Morocco when the women is older. I am one of them!!! So is my friend. There are quite a few of us. If you beleive what Rabat says, then please call them back and ask them why Casa denies most of these couples??? It started happening in 05. The reason given? "Denied due to the validity of the relationship".

Denial because of no wedding??? Where is the law that says one has to have a wedding for a valid relationship???

My husband had a 5 minute interview wherein the CO said "I need more info from America" making my husband think our file was not complete and he just needed to get some paperwork form the NVC. Liar. Our case has since been reaffirmed by CIS. My friend suffered the same fate and her case was reaffrimed as well.

We both had lots of proof of our relationships. The problem was the CO didn't want to see it. The CO just denied the visa and returned the case saying we did not establish a valid relationship.

So now we are at my friends second interview after proving to CIS that she and her husband have a real marriage and still they get the run around from Casa!!!!!!!

In Morocco the specific concern is fraud.

It is true that a large age gap is a red flag, but the CO must take into consideration all evidence that is put forth. In many cases, Casa is not doing that. They do have challenges to face considering they are a high fraud post, but they are not handling them in the proper way.

I understand that. But they must have proof of fraud. This case was deneid last year (K3) reaffirmed by CIS and sent back to DOS to take action on...ie issue visa and yet Casa once again says...we don't believe it!!!

The CO MUST??????? The CO does what they want!!! Not only does the CO have the first set of evidence form the couple they have the evidence sent in from CIS and more collected from the couple since then.

This now is regarding an immigrant case which just can't be sent back, it must be shown why they won't issue the visa.

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

It seems the key to get through this process as smoothly as possible is building an extremely strong case. It takes a lot of forethought, which sometimes is just not possible, but I think almost every couple has a "red flag" or 2. I think if you're able to anticipate those and provide enough support to show they are not issues, then they are no longer viewed as such. This case being discussed in this thread is heart breaking and I pray they can find a way through this.

You know, we had not planned on having a big wing-ding wedding. We are quiet simple people and just want the ceremony for what it is. But we are left feeling we must make a bigger deal out of it then we want to just have to the darn PROOF to present when needed. Love is a difficult thing to prove on paper... grrr.

I can't imgine having CIS reaffirm the case can be any stronger. They provided all the proof and still the CO says she doesn't believe he loves her. This is just her personal opinion, not a fact.

[Together4ever 1]

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

Like I just posted, the CO said she does not believe the husband loves the wife, he only wants a green card.

There are many many couples denied visas in Morocco when the women is older. I am one of them!!! So is my friend. There are quite a few of us. If you beleive what Rabat says, then please call them back and ask them why Casa denies most of these couples??? It started happening in 05. The reason given? "Denied due to the validity of the relationship".

Denial because of no wedding??? Where is the law that says one has to have a wedding for a valid relationship???

My husband had a 5 minute interview wherein the CO said "I need more info from America" making my husband think our file was not complete and he just needed to get some paperwork form the NVC. Liar. Our case has since been reaffirmed by CIS. My friend suffered the same fate and her case was reaffrimed as well.

We both had lots of proof of our relationships. The problem was the CO didn't want to see it. The CO just denied the visa and returned the case saying we did not establish a valid relationship.

So now we are at my friends second interview after proving to CIS that she and her husband have a real marriage and still they get the run around from Casa!!!!!!!

In Morocco the specific concern is fraud.

It is true that a large age gap is a red flag, but the CO must take into consideration all evidence that is put forth. In many cases, Casa is not doing that. They do have challenges to face considering they are a high fraud post, but they are not handling them in the proper way.

I understand that. But they must have proof of fraud. This case was deneid last year (K3) reaffirmed by CIS and sent back to DOS to take action on...ie issue visa and yet Casa once again says...we don't believe it!!!

The CO MUST??????? The CO does what they want!!! Not only does the CO have the first set of evidence form the couple they have the evidence sent in from CIS and more collected from the couple since then.

This now is regarding an immigrant case which just can't be sent back, it must be shown why they won't issue the visa.

Did they specifically indicate that the denial was because that she is older than he is? My husband, who is also in Morocco, was told by a friend that he was denied because his wife is much oder than he is. I'm also quite a bit older than my husband, so I was very concerned to hear of this. I called the embassy in Rabat and the USCIS to ask if that was a valid basis for denial. They said it is not and that there must be more to it.

Later, the couple involved was told that the denial was because they hadn't had a wedding. Well, we didn't have a wedding either, but this is my second marriage, and I didn't have a wedding the first time, as well. So, now we've got a big age gap and no wedding . . . bummer!

I suppose that they have to have something to go by for evidence, especially when the couple is living apart. But the process seems to allow for the interjection of stereotypes and personal prejudices. I know several interracial marriages that sailed thru immigration, so they don't seem to care about race. I know lots of them where the man was much older than the woman, so that seems to be ok. Who knows?

Anyway, enough rambling. Don't be surprised if they come back with some other excuse for the denial. In the meantime, your friend should contact their representatives in Congress. With all the haranging about immigration in the news, legislators are becoming very sensitive to legal applicants because they don't want to be viewed as hypocrites if they support amnesty for illegals or as two-faced if they don't.

It seems the key to get through this process as smoothly as possible is building an extremely strong case. It takes a lot of forethought, which sometimes is just not possible, but I think almost every couple has a "red flag" or 2. I think if you're able to anticipate those and provide enough support to show they are not issues, then they are no longer viewed as such. This case being discussed in this thread is heart breaking and I pray they can find a way through this.

You know, we had not planned on having a big wing-ding wedding. We are quiet simple people and just want the ceremony for what it is. But we are left feeling we must make a bigger deal out of it then we want to just have to the darn PROOF to present when needed. Love is a difficult thing to prove on paper... grrr.

I can't imgine having CIS reaffirm the case can be any stronger. They provided all the proof and still the CO says she doesn't believe he loves her. This is just her personal opinion, not a fact.

See, this is what galls me. It states in the "laws" governing the Consuls that they CANNOT make a judgement based on personal opinion. They have to have proof to back it up. But how do you take them to task on it?

[morocco4ever 63]

This is really pissing me off! Okay, so tell me. Was the I-130 or the I-129F re-affirmed? I don't think they can send it back to the CIS a second time, but if it was the other one I bet they can. Just another stupid loop hole.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I don't really know what to say I cannot imagine the devastation that they are experiencing. I am so sorry I truly wish them the best. I hope that there is something that can be done about this for them. Don't lose hope.

Sarah