McKenzie -11yo Girl Field Stripping AR15

[Caladan 19]

Oh, and the other thing I forgot to mention: a lot of the time affirmative action is characterized as finding some UNQUALIFIED non-white person and giving them a job/scholarship/cookies over some qualified white guy, but in my experience, usually it's about reminding a hiring board or an admissions committee or a faculty search that there are QUALIFIED women/minorities who they may not have noticed.

[john & jean 37]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

an ar-15 isn't a handgun.

An AR-15 with a sear...now that's a proper huntin' weapon.

'Course it 'pends on whatcher huntin'.

maybe you mean an AUTOMATIC SEAR and SEAR DISCONNECT???

[Ling Ling 22]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

an ar-15 isn't a handgun.

An AR-15 with a sear...now that's a proper huntin' weapon.

'Course it 'pends on whatcher huntin'.

maybe you mean an AUTOMATIC SEAR and SEAR DISCONNECT???

eYep, class III is EGGxactly what I meant.

[john & jean 37]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

an ar-15 isn't a handgun.

An AR-15 with a sear...now that's a proper huntin' weapon.

'Course it 'pends on whatcher huntin'.

maybe you mean an AUTOMATIC SEAR and SEAR DISCONNECT???

eYep, class III is EGGxactly what I meant.

THEN YOU WILL NEED A FEW EXTRA MAGAZINES!!! love that brass rainbow

[Ling Ling 22]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

an ar-15 isn't a handgun.

An AR-15 with a sear...now that's a proper huntin' weapon.

'Course it 'pends on whatcher huntin'.

maybe you mean an AUTOMATIC SEAR and SEAR DISCONNECT???

eYep, class III is EGGxactly what I meant.

THEN YOU WILL NEED A FEW EXTRA MAGAZINES!!! love that brass rainbow

Reminds me of one of the VJers (maybe Charles) reminding me that tracers work in both directions.

Now that this thread is back on track....

I'm also reminded of a movie I saw, "Belly", where all these guys came in with active laser sights, and the guy they were looking for

was able to use the lasers to pinpoint where THEY were.

[john & jean 37]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

an ar-15 isn't a handgun.

An AR-15 with a sear...now that's a proper huntin' weapon.

'Course it 'pends on whatcher huntin'.

maybe you mean an AUTOMATIC SEAR and SEAR DISCONNECT???

eYep, class III is EGGxactly what I meant.

THEN YOU WILL NEED A FEW EXTRA MAGAZINES!!! love that brass rainbow

Reminds me of one of the VJers (maybe Charles) reminding me that tracers work in both directions.

Now that this thread is back on track....

I'm also reminded of a movie I saw, "Belly", where all these guys came in with active laser sights, and the guy they were looking for

was able to use the lasers to pinpoint where THEY were.

probably CHARLES! yes any light souce can be a tactile disadvantage!!

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

Reminds me of one of the VJers (maybe Charles) reminding me that tracers work in both directions.

Now that this thread is back on track....

I'm also reminded of a movie I saw, "Belly", where all these guys came in with active laser sights, and the guy they were looking for

was able to use the lasers to pinpoint where THEY were.

they do. and try to look unimportant, the enemy may be low on ammo.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

Dang! this damn thread is still alive?

Didn't bother to read all the subsequent pages but seriously peeps it's just a girl shooting a gun! by this very same reason we were about to elect a woman as VP whose resume included hunting moose and being a hockey mom as highlights!

Elect President who used to be a hollywood actor...check!

Elect President who believes on the saying "C's get degrees" check!

Elect President who thinks a cigar isn't just good for smoking...check!

Come on! there has to be at least more important qualities that pulling a damn trigger...

Edited January 3, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

The second amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting.

[Tahoma 2,292]

While that may be true, I'd have to say that those conditions are partly the fault of African Americans themselves.

That's like saying it's the nail's fault that the hammer hit it.

Black people have not asked to be discriminated against, pre-judged, or hated because of the color of their skin.

No, I'm not being racist.

OK...so you're not a racist...just spewing racist rhetoric.

Within the African American community there seems to be a sub-culture revolving around "self-defeatism." In other words, if a black man is educated and becomes successful, he's often criticized as "selling out" or being an "Uncle Tom." If the same black man does neither of the above and remains in impoverished surroundings, he and others there tend to shift the blame to individuals who "have a better life."

You watch a lot of TV don't you? Guess what, so do a lot of Black youth. There may now be a handful of Black owned TV stations, but not nearly as much as the White owned TV stations. It's the White owned TV stations that first started PROMOTING this idea of the "sell-out". Take the "Jeffersons" show for example.

George Jefferson is a successful dry cleaner, but at every instance he's made to look like a jive talking, jive walking, buffoon or as you would say a "sell-out".

This image has been promoted so much, that not only does White America believe it, but so does Black America.

Believe it or not, my parents and the parents of my friends didn't teach us about the "sell-out". That was taught to us by the media. We were taught to be as successful as we could be...and that there's no shame in speaking proper English, or studying, or pulling your pants up, or wearing a belt, or having career aspirations that don't include gold rims and a fabulous crib.

If anything is defeatist, it is the media that surrounds us, educates us, and changes our reality for the worse.

I think that if the African American community wishes to raise their overall standard of living, they need to heavily promote education, professional success and responsibility. There's nothing inherently inferior about African Americans. They can succeed just as well as any other group if they work hard at it.

Thank you for your non racist opinion that there's nothing "inherently inferior".

So you really believe that the Black community does not promote education, professional success, and responsibility?

Perhaps you have no idea what it means to be disenfranchised. Perhaps you have no idea what it means to come from a family where you will be the first college graduate from your family. Perhaps you have no idea what it means to come from a family where you may be the first homeowner, or first doctor, or first lawyer.

Perhaps you have no idea that only within the last 100 years have Black people been able to own property. Only within the last 60 years have Black people had the opportunity to attend the same quality of education as their White counterparts.

Your last line is the best, and speaks volumes of truth. "They can succeed just as well as any other group if they work hard at it".

The Black community has known this for years, and are still saddened (but not defeated) that we have to work harder just to arrive at the same goals as other groups.

No, this isn't some "Horatio Alger" mindset. Doing what I suggest is hard work and not everyone will make it. There's no guarantee in life (except for death and taxes, of course). However, if success is actively aimed for, I can't help but see more succeeding than those who don't. It's certainly worth a shot.

Here's a guarantee....if you take one group of people and allow them to work, prosper, will & inherit money, become educated, vote & be elected, for 300 years....

and you take another group during the same time period, but literally hold them back with chains for the first 200 years, make them work for free, do not allow them to prosper or become educated or have any political power....and then expect them to simply compete at the same level because you say it's equal now....it will not happen. I'm not saying anyone needs handouts or welfare, but that as long as you throw away the history that created the disparity, and as long as you buy into the media's representation, we will all move forward at a very slow pace.

All I wanted to say -- and perhaps I hit a few nerves in the process -- was that there is no difference between African Americans and any other group when it comes to what can be achieved. Maybe it's more difficult for some black people due to certain circumstances, but that doesn't mean they can't become successful in the end.

Please understand that I was not attempting to be racist, but merely speak on how highly capable one group of people can be, despite some issues in this nation's history. If you still believe I'm doing nothing more than "spewing racist rhetoric," then there's no point in trying to convince you otherwise.

If you acknowledge that racism, discrimination, or prejudice exists, then minorities, as individuals, and, therefore, minorities as groups, do not have the same chances as everyone else. If one person in a group is discriminated against, then the entire group is affected. I know of whites who would not ever consider hiring a minority. I know minorities who have not received promotions that they unquestionably deserved. I have heard with my own ears unmistakable racist rantings from many many people. If African Americans "work hard at it", and yet face racism, discrimination, or prejudice...how does that give them "the same chances as everyone else"...either individually or as a group?

If the "certain circumstances" (that you don't seem to want to talk about) happen to be discrimination, how can you say that everyone has the same chances to succeed? If any minority (as an individual or as a group) has to work harder because of discrimination to "become successful in the end", is that your idea of a level playing field?

Legally-speaking, everyone has the same rights, privileges and opportunities in the U.S. Whether or not everyone can make use of those is a different matter. In addition, I'm very much against the idea of self-inflicted victimization. That goes for any race, color, ethnicity or religion. If you want something to happen, you go out and do it. Waiting for the right opportunity to "fall into your lap" is highly unlikely.

How does a person have "the same opportunities" if you discriminate against them? If you discriminate against them, they just lost an opportunity. They lost the opportunity for a job, a raise, a promotion, an apartment...and on and on and on...

When you discriminate against a person, how has the victim of your discrimination inflicted it upon themselves? You are the one who is discriminating. You have refused to rent your apartment to them based on their race, creed, or color, etc. You knew that they were perfectly qualified to rent that apartment, yet you took that opportunity away from them because you didn't like the color of their skin. How did your discrimination increase their opportunities?

How does a person have "the same opportunity" if they "want something to happen", and they go out to "do it", and you discriminate against them? Haven't you just taken away one of their opportunities? If you would never hire an African American under any circumstances, how is that equal opportunity? Haven't you just taken away one of their opportunities?

Do you even acknowledge that there are people in this country who discriminate, or who are racist?

Edited January 3, 2009 by pangga

[DeadPoolX 9]

So how long ago were Jews slaves in the USA?

Can I change my name, and then have nobody know that I'm Black?

Personally, I haven't let the random circumstance of my birth define who I am. I employ Black, White, Asian, and Hispanic professionals. My best friend is a Jewish guy married to a Black Muslim woman. I don't have the capacity to discriminate. I am not a victim, I don't need handouts from anyone.

My whole point is, the playing field is not level for most Blacks in America, because people such as yourself have no idea about the disadvantages that have to be overcome, including the disadvantage of people such as yourself thinking that Blacks just don't try hard enough.

The point isn't who has been victimized more by this country or wherever. I was merely trying to get you to understand that as a victimized group, African Americans are far from alone in this world. Just so you know, as a child I had rocks thrown at me and was physically attacked on a semi-regular basis simply for being Jewish. They'd often chant "stupid kike" while doing this. So yes, there is discrimination against Jews. Living in the U.S. fails to suddenly undo centuries upon centuries of hate.

I'm happy that you're not a victim and don't need any handouts. That's a very good thing. However, I specifically disagree with your statement saying: "I don't have the capacity to discriminate." Of course you do and we all discriminate every single day of our lives. Discrimination comes in many more varieties than simply "he's black and I'm white." That's an extremely narrow viewpoint.

People of all races, ethnicity and religions are discriminated against all the time. Discrimination doesn't even have to be about those, as well. Say an incredibly poor, uneducated man who has virtually no manners attempts to date your daughter. You may not like the situation or him, correct? You'd prefer your daughter go out with someone else, whether it be that person has more money, was better educated or perhaps has better manners. Whatever. The point is you don't particularly care for him. That is discrimination. You're discriminating against an individual. Discrimination does not have to mean: "I hate this person because he's a different race! Hang him!"

We each discriminate in situations ranging from what food we like to how we chose our spouses. Discrimination can actually be a good thing in some cases. You've discriminated in favor of your wife. Maybe you like her intelligence or smile or physique or some combination thereof. You've discriminated against other women and for your wife. If you didn't have the ability to discriminate, you'd see every other woman as your wife's equal and therefore, she'd cease to be special to you. I'm sure this isn't the case. I'm sure you love your wife. But love is a form of discrimination, as well.

How is love discriminatory? Well, let's say you have a child. Your kid and another kid both injure themselves on the playground at school during recess. Which child do you care about more? Which child do you have a vested interest in? Which child would you rather see come out fine? I'm hoping you'd say your own kid. If you do, there's nothing to be ashamed about in your discrimination for your family. It simply makes sense.

Discrimination comes in all sorts of flavors. You cannot state you lack the capacity to discriminate when every single human being in the world does and often discriminates without even consciously realizing it.

Do you even acknowledge that there are people in this country who discriminate, or who are racist?

Of course. This country is far from unique. However, I feel that those who purposefully discriminate against different groups (which includes more than African Americans) have lessened. If you wish to stand here and tell me how every white man is a secret member of the KKK or some such nonsense, go ahead. That's untrue, but if it makes you happy, be my guest.

I'd prefer to view the situation in a more positive light and think about how minorities have made their situation better over the years. I know you like being negative, so have fun.

Edited January 3, 2009 by DeadPoolX

[Old Dominion 26]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

an ar-15 isn't a handgun.

The first video showed her firing a pistol.

[Ling Ling 22]

So how long ago were Jews slaves in the USA?

Can I change my name, and then have nobody know that I'm Black?

Personally, I haven't let the random circumstance of my birth define who I am. I employ Black, White, Asian, and Hispanic professionals. My best friend is a Jewish guy married to a Black Muslim woman. I don't have the capacity to discriminate. I am not a victim, I don't need handouts from anyone.

My whole point is, the playing field is not level for most Blacks in America, because people such as yourself have no idea about the disadvantages that have to be overcome, including the disadvantage of people such as yourself thinking that Blacks just don't try hard enough.

The point isn't who has been victimized more by this country or wherever. I was merely trying to get you to understand that as a victimized group, African Americans are far from alone in this world. Just so you know, as a child I had rocks thrown at me and was physically attacked on a semi-regular basis simply for being Jewish. They'd often chant "stupid kike" while doing this. So yes, there is discrimination against Jews. Living in the U.S. fails to suddenly undo centuries upon centuries of hate.

I'm happy that you're not a victim and don't need any handouts. That's a very good thing. However, I specifically disagree with your statement saying: "I don't have the capacity to discriminate." Of course you do and we all discriminate every single day of our lives. Discrimination comes in many more varieties than simply "he's black and I'm white." That's an extremely narrow viewpoint.

People of all races, ethnicity and religions are discriminated against all the time. Discrimination doesn't even have to be about those, as well. Say an incredibly poor, uneducated man who has virtually no manners attempts to date your daughter. You may not like the situation or him, correct? You'd prefer your daughter go out with someone else, whether it be that person has more money, was better educated or perhaps has better manners. Whatever. The point is you don't particularly care for him. That is discrimination. You're discriminating against an individual. Discrimination does not have to mean: "I hate this person because he's a different race! Hang him!"

We each discriminate in situations ranging from what food we like to how we chose our spouses. Discrimination can actually be a good thing in some cases. You've discriminated in favor of your wife. Maybe you like her intelligence or smile or physique or some combination thereof. You've discriminated against other women and for your wife. If you didn't have the ability to discriminate, you'd see every other woman as your wife's equal and therefore, she'd cease to be special to you. I'm sure this isn't the case. I'm sure you love your wife. But love is a form of discrimination, as well.

How is love discriminatory? Well, let's say you have a child. Your kid and another kid both injure themselves on the playground at school during recess. Which child do you care about more? Which child do you have a vested interest in? Which child would you rather see come out fine? I'm hoping you'd say your own kid. If you do, there's nothing to be ashamed about in your discrimination for your family. It simply makes sense.

Discrimination comes in all sorts of flavors. You cannot state you lack the capacity to discriminate when every single human being in the world does and often discriminates without even consciously realizing it.

Do you even acknowledge that there are people in this country who discriminate, or who are racist?

Of course. This country is far from unique. However, I feel that those who purposefully discriminate against different groups (which includes more than African Americans) have lessened. If you wish to stand here and tell me how every white man is a secret member of the KKK or some such nonsense, go ahead. That's untrue, but if it makes you happy, be my guest.

I'd prefer to view the situation in a more positive light and think about how minorities have made their situation better over the years. I know you like being negative, so have fun.

1. You very well know we're speaking of prejudicial discrimination of groups, but choose to define and discuss judicial discrimination of individuals. Possibly the first sign of a failed point of view comes into light when the response goes off topic or on a tangent.

2. You infer upon me words and ideas which are in no way attributable to me, ie. "Secret member of KKK" and others. This is another tactic in argument that is common, to infer or insinuate fantastic ideas aka "putting words in someone else's mouth".

3. Your argument further fails when you project such nonsense as "you like being negative". This is a common tactic when losing an argument, project

or claim that the opposed view is simply negative.

Prejudicial discrimination continues to exists both covertly and overtly.

At the end of the day, the issue is that prejudicial discrimination of minorities, in combination with historical disenfranchisement, puts said minority

in a lesser position for success than their majority counterparts. These statements of fact are only negative to those who choose to ignore reality in lieu of having to admit their contribution to the situation, or a fear to release their misbeliefs fed by the media and/or family tradition.

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

How did this thread get so warped? As for me, I think it should be against the law for anyone under 18 years old to be using a handgun....period. Handguns have nothing at all to do with hunting for food, to start with. Did someone say she was being taught all this because of fear of being attacked by a minority or what?

an ar-15 isn't a handgun.

The first video showed her firing a pistol.

my bad - the first time i read the op, the only youtube link showing up was the ar-15 one.

eta: although i don't see anything wrong with a kid firing a revolver or semi auto pistol under close competent supervision.

Edited January 3, 2009 by charles!

[Tahoma 2,292]

So how long ago were Jews slaves in the USA?

Can I change my name, and then have nobody know that I'm Black?

Personally, I haven't let the random circumstance of my birth define who I am. I employ Black, White, Asian, and Hispanic professionals. My best friend is a Jewish guy married to a Black Muslim woman. I don't have the capacity to discriminate. I am not a victim, I don't need handouts from anyone.

My whole point is, the playing field is not level for most Blacks in America, because people such as yourself have no idea about the disadvantages that have to be overcome, including the disadvantage of people such as yourself thinking that Blacks just don't try hard enough.

The point isn't who has been victimized more by this country or wherever. I was merely trying to get you to understand that as a victimized group, African Americans are far from alone in this world. Just so you know, as a child I had rocks thrown at me and was physically attacked on a semi-regular basis simply for being Jewish. They'd often chant "stupid kike" while doing this. So yes, there is discrimination against Jews. Living in the U.S. fails to suddenly undo centuries upon centuries of hate.

I'm happy that you're not a victim and don't need any handouts. That's a very good thing. However, I specifically disagree with your statement saying: "I don't have the capacity to discriminate." Of course you do and we all discriminate every single day of our lives. Discrimination comes in many more varieties than simply "he's black and I'm white." That's an extremely narrow viewpoint.

People of all races, ethnicity and religions are discriminated against all the time. Discrimination doesn't even have to be about those, as well. Say an incredibly poor, uneducated man who has virtually no manners attempts to date your daughter. You may not like the situation or him, correct? You'd prefer your daughter go out with someone else, whether it be that person has more money, was better educated or perhaps has better manners. Whatever. The point is you don't particularly care for him. That is discrimination. You're discriminating against an individual. Discrimination does not have to mean: "I hate this person because he's a different race! Hang him!"

We each discriminate in situations ranging from what food we like to how we chose our spouses. Discrimination can actually be a good thing in some cases. You've discriminated in favor of your wife. Maybe you like her intelligence or smile or physique or some combination thereof. You've discriminated against other women and for your wife. If you didn't have the ability to discriminate, you'd see every other woman as your wife's equal and therefore, she'd cease to be special to you. I'm sure this isn't the case. I'm sure you love your wife. But love is a form of discrimination, as well.

How is love discriminatory? Well, let's say you have a child. Your kid and another kid both injure themselves on the playground at school during recess. Which child do you care about more? Which child do you have a vested interest in? Which child would you rather see come out fine? I'm hoping you'd say your own kid. If you do, there's nothing to be ashamed about in your discrimination for your family. It simply makes sense.

Discrimination comes in all sorts of flavors. You cannot state you lack the capacity to discriminate when every single human being in the world does and often discriminates without even consciously realizing it.

Do you even acknowledge that there are people in this country who discriminate, or who are racist?

Of course. This country is far from unique. However, I feel that those who purposefully discriminate against different groups (which includes more than African Americans) have lessened. If you wish to stand here and tell me how every white man is a secret member of the KKK or some such nonsense, go ahead. That's untrue, but if it makes you happy, be my guest.

I'd prefer to view the situation in a more positive light and think about how minorities have made their situation better over the years. I know you like being negative, so have fun.

1. You very well know we're speaking of prejudicial discrimination of groups, but choose to define and discuss judicial discrimination of individuals. Possibly the first sign of a failed point of view comes into light when the response goes off topic or on a tangent.

2. You infer upon me words and ideas which are in no way attributable to me, ie. "Secret member of KKK" and others. This is another tactic in argument that is common, to infer or insinuate fantastic ideas aka "putting words in someone else's mouth".

3. Your argument further fails when you project such nonsense as "you like being negative". This is a common tactic when losing an argument, project

or claim that the opposed view is simply negative.

Prejudicial discrimination continues to exists both covertly and overtly.

At the end of the day, the issue is that prejudicial discrimination of minorities, in combination with historical disenfranchisement, puts said minority

in a lesser position for success than their majority counterparts. These statements of fact are only negative to those who choose to ignore reality in lieu of having to admit their contribution to the situation, or a fear to release their misbeliefs fed by the media and/or family tradition.

Ling Ling...thank you for your analysis of his avoidance techniques. I couldn't have said it better myself. His debate tactics certainly are simplistic and transparent...do not answer my questions, do not address my points, and instead, change the subject and invent stuff to attack me with. He full-well knows that he did not discuss my post # 145 because he then would have to admit that when people discriminate, it results in unequal opportunities for those who are discriminated against. I wonder why this is so difficult for him to admit this.