ADC Condemns Gaza Attacks

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Family members and friends of MENA board members are in mortal danger. Is this really the time for sarcasm?

[~Jackie~ 30]

Sadly Rahma...for some it is

But maybe it is because they cannot possibly know or understand the severity of the situation. (or don't care and we can't change the world, just one perception at a time)

Jax

[Tsup2 0]

Hamas uses the civilian population as shields which is why there are civilian casualties. 6,000 rockets were deliberately fired at civilian population centers not military targets. Big difference there. Israel has to turn gaza in to a prison camp by sealing the border to protect its own citizens. Maybe someday the Palestinian people will stop supporting terrorists but I doubt it. You reap what you sew.

[Nothing1234 2]

Hamas uses the civilian population as shields which is why there are civilian casualties. 6,000 rockets were deliberately fired at civilian population centers not military targets. Big difference there. Israel has to turn gaza in to a prison camp by sealing the border to protect its own citizens. Maybe someday the Palestinian people will stop supporting terrorists but I doubt it. You reap what you sew.

First, you keep over looking the fact that the majority of us are NOT supporting Hamas but the innocent civilians that are dying (on all sides). I for one do not agree with the loss of one single life. You're generalization that all Palestinian people are supporting Hamas is incorrect. That's like assuming because we are Americans we all support Ole George and his crazy azzz tactics...NOT! Lastly, a large majority of military bases are surrounded by civilian population. If any country were attacked like this civilians would die or be injured as well. They live among the people and the people can't just pick up and move....for goodness sakes...where would they go, they are barricaded inside. Even if a country seals its borders....why cut off water, medical supplies and food? It's a vicious cycle.

I'm not denying the right for a country to protect its people but they need to treat others in a humane way. That's definately NOT happening.

[me_4_musa 1]

Hamas uses the civilian population as shields which is why there are civilian casualties. 6,000 rockets were deliberately fired at civilian population centers not military targets. Big difference there. Israel has to turn gaza in to a prison camp by sealing the border to protect its own citizens. Maybe someday the Palestinian people will stop supporting terrorists but I doubt it. You reap what you sew.

Hamas was not hiding in the home of the 5 young daughters that were killed in Gaza on Tuesday. Many of the casualties have been civilians who live around targets in the crowded populated strip.

I might of missed something can you please add a recent link where you read or heard that Hamas has been using the civilian population as shields in the past 3 days?

Thanks

[amal 4]

Hamas uses the civilian population as shields which is why there are civilian casualties. 6,000 rockets were deliberately fired at civilian population centers not military targets. Big difference there. Israel has to turn gaza in to a prison camp by sealing the border to protect its own citizens. Maybe someday the Palestinian people will stop supporting terrorists but I doubt it. You reap what you sew.

We can't blame anybody for this "take" on the situation as this is exactly how the American media portrays it. You can't be mad at someone for believing what they see on tv and read in the newspapers. The only ppl that honestly know what is going on are the actual people involved. I don't believe that the ME/NA news tells the whole truth and I don't believe that America tells the whole truth either. I think they all show what they want their population to see and believe.

It is crazy though coz I see what America is getting (naturally coz I'm here in America and happen to catch the news now and again) and then I see what countries in mena are getting and it is 2 totally different stories. When I look down the sidelines of both stories, I think I can kind of see the truth and though each side has their reasons for what they've done, it does not make right what either side has chosen to do. I do feel that Gaza being blown to smitherines is a bit far considering the things I stated in my aforeposted statements. It all sucks.

[chaishai 1]

Hamas uses the civilian population as shields which is why there are civilian casualties. 6,000 rockets were deliberately fired at civilian population centers not military targets. Big difference there. Israel has to turn gaza in to a prison camp by sealing the border to protect its own citizens. Maybe someday the Palestinian people will stop supporting terrorists but I doubt it. You reap what you sew.

Hamas was not hiding in the home of the 5 young daughters that were killed in Gaza on Tuesday. Many of the casualties have been civilians who live around targets in the crowded populated strip.

I might of missed something can you please add a recent link where you read or heard that Hamas has been using the civilian population as shields in the past 3 days?

Thanks

lets not do the whole babe in the woods routine. the nature of this "operation" of theirs has been from a longer range, a bit different than their tried and true suicide missions. the hamas spokesman urged Palestinian groups to use "all available means" against Israel, including martyrdom operations" ie suicide bombings. i am sure you have seen that quote it was all over all news agencies yesterday.

[doodlebugg 10]

Hamas uses the civilian population as shields which is why there are civilian casualties. 6,000 rockets were deliberately fired at civilian population centers not military targets. Big difference there. Israel has to turn gaza in to a prison camp by sealing the border to protect its own citizens. Maybe someday the Palestinian people will stop supporting terrorists but I doubt it. You reap what you sew.

Are you really that heartless of a person? There are babies and toddlers that are being buried as we speak. What the ** did they ever do to reap this on their little bodies and upon their parents lives? Do you even care?

[allousa 1]

If this "mission" were truly against Hamas and only Hamas....WHY CLOSE THE BORDERS AND NOT ALLOW THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO BE THERE THE CHANCE TO GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is NOT a war! It is a massacre.

I challenge ANY OF YOU to spend ONE DAY in Gaza and see if you come back telling the same story.

[Nothing1234 2]

I remember back in University they required us to think about what our plan would be for Peace btw Israel and Palestine. Instead of arguing who's opinion is the right one...why not offer up your solution. *Sarcasm NOT welcome*

In 1993 it looked as though Israel and the Palestinians were close to reaching peace, but later the situation greatly deteriorated. If you were in charge of the negotiating team, how would you initiate a new round of talks? What would you do to correct the mistakes made in the 1990s? How would you bring the opposing sides back to the negotiating table, the compromises they would expect from each side, and strategies to prevent making the previous mistakes.

We were asked:

1) Take particular note of the Oslo peace process, the events leading up to the signing of the Oslo peace agreement, the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, and the escalation of violence.

2) Try to understand the following key points:

*By 1987, there was mounting frustration and anger among the Palestinians, who had been living in the West Bank and Gaza under Israeli occupation for 20 years. The Palestinians have a strong desire for their own independent state, and Israel is reluctant to withdraw from the land.

*As violence continued over the next couple of years, newly elected Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin decided that it was time to enter into peace negotiations with the Palestinian Liberation Organization, known as the PLO, under the leadership of Yasser Arafat.

*Rabin authorized secret negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians that took place in Oslo, Norway. The Israelis and the Palestinians negotiated an agreement, which was signed in Washington, D.C., on September 13, 1993.The agreement called for a withdrawal of Israel from the occupied land and a mutual cease-fire over a period of five years.

*The peace process was cut short when Rabin was assassinated in 1995. His successor, Benjamin Netanyahu, slowed the Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank, further fueling anger and mistrust between the two sides.

*In 1999, Netanyahu was defeated in his bid for reelection by Ehud Barak. President Bill Clinton brought Barak and Arafat to Washington in 2000 to try to renew the negotiations, but the attempt failed.

*Violence escalated in the region over the next several years. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon pursued an aggressive policy, in part because Palestinians have deployed suicide bombers. The two sides remained at a stalemate.

3) Think of the complexity of the situation. Realizing that the most skilled negotiators were unable to reach a solution that has led to lasting peace. Then try to develop a strategy that might work.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Wasn't Hamas democratically elected by these people? And the reason for the boarders being sealed was because of Hamas who gained control of Gaza since their election. Immediately after their election to represent their people some of the Palestinian leaders along with those governments that define Hamas as a terrorist organization such as Israel and the US all made statements they would not negotiate with Hamas. And wasn't it Hezbollah that Israel bombed in Lebanon, not Hamas, also defined as a terrorist organization by Israel and the US? In World Politics and War I recall that wars on terror are mostly urban and have tactical and stratigeic missions. The lines between military battle deaths and civilian battle deaths are often blurred because terrorist don't fight like the others.

The facts I've seen just in this thread are that there are 1.5 million people in Gaza. It is a heavily populated place.

Hamas commands 20,000 soldiers. That is 20,000 out of 1.5 million people who democratically elected a known terrorist organization into power, with what little power they do have. What did they think was going to happen? When you look at the power transition model knowing the US is the hegemon and Isreal and Egypt are both backed by the US and it only takes one vote to veto any UN resolution and the US happens to be that vote and we're the leaders of the world with the war on terror...well...really...what where they thinking?

[doodlebugg 10]

Wasn't Hamas democratically elected by these people? And the reason for the boarders being sealed was because of Hamas who gained control of Gaza since their election. Immediately after their election to represent their people some of the Palestinian leaders along with those governments that define Hamas as a terrorist organization such as Israel and the US all made statements they would not negotiate with Hamas. And wasn't it Hezbollah that Israel bombed in Lebanon, not Hamas, also defined as a terrorist organization by Israel and the US? In World Politics and War I recall that wars on terror are mostly urban and have tactical and stratigeic missions. The lines between military battle deaths and civilian battle deaths are often blurred because terrorist don't fight like the others.

The facts I've seen just in this thread are that there are 1.5 million people in Gaza. It is a heavily populated place.

Hamas commands 20,000 soldiers. That is 20,000 out of 1.5 million people who democratically elected a known terrorist organization into power, with what little power they do have. What did they think was going to happen? When you look at the power transition model knowing the US is the hegemon and Isreal and Egypt are both backed by the US and it only takes one vote to veto any UN resolution and the US happens to be that vote and we're the leaders of the world with the war on terror...well...really...what where they thinking?

So it's ok for countries to have democracy ONLY if the US likes the outcome? BTW wasn't Fatah labeled a terrorist organization at one point? Why does the US talk to them and why don't they get sectioned off and starved?

[nunyab 0]

If this "mission" were truly against Hamas and only Hamas....WHY CLOSE THE BORDERS AND NOT ALLOW THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO BE THERE THE CHANCE TO GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is NOT a war! It is a massacre.

I challenge ANY OF YOU to spend ONE DAY in Gaza and see if you come back telling the same story.

that is what we call a "turkey shoot" you put them all in a confined area... no place to go makes them much easier targets to kill....... Isreal unfortunatly is going to get a retaliation out of desperation. When you have young men and woman that have no more reason to live suicide becomes a better option, then put on top of that the "bad guy" is just a literal stone's throw away suicde and taking out the "bad guy" seems like a more feasable way of going out. If they allowed aid to get in and give the people hope i guarantee you the myrtordom would decrease substancially. But Isreal wants their land back.

If you recal the Nazi's were not supported by all who lived in Germany that's how i feel for both sides the average person is subjected to the wiles of their military heads this is no longer a religious war there are jews in palestine and muslims in Isreal this is over land. I know and have dear Jewish friends that are grieving over this and I am a muslim with friends who cannot find their family as we speak who are grieving... this is all about military pride and land. IMHO

[nunyab 0]

Wasn't Hamas democratically elected by these people? And the reason for the boarders being sealed was because of Hamas who gained control of Gaza since their election. Immediately after their election to represent their people some of the Palestinian leaders along with those governments that define Hamas as a terrorist organization such as Israel and the US all made statements they would not negotiate with Hamas. And wasn't it Hezbollah that Israel bombed in Lebanon, not Hamas, also defined as a terrorist organization by Israel and the US? In World Politics and War I recall that wars on terror are mostly urban and have tactical and stratigeic missions. The lines between military battle deaths and civilian battle deaths are often blurred because terrorist don't fight like the others.

The facts I've seen just in this thread are that there are 1.5 million people in Gaza. It is a heavily populated place.

Hamas commands 20,000 soldiers. That is 20,000 out of 1.5 million people who democratically elected a known terrorist organization into power, with what little power they do have. What did they think was going to happen? When you look at the power transition model knowing the US is the hegemon and Isreal and Egypt are both backed by the US and it only takes one vote to veto any UN resolution and the US happens to be that vote and we're the leaders of the world with the war on terror...well...really...what where they thinking?

honestly Olivia the locations that were targeted had many civilian peoples located there... one was considered a "Hezbollah" hosptial bombed (this hospital was considered one of the best) woman and children died there during the '06 bombings. As we speak the isreali planes are flying very low over Lebanon children are waking up scared my friends little girls are so scared they cannot sleep any more. That's 12 yr olds with PSSD remember their uncles dying cause they were just out to check on the rest of the family.

Military intelligence and propoganda run hand in hand with the american media. We can spin anything

[nunyab 0]

Just watched the news and the pictures of the one body of the Isreali (horrible) but no coverage on the bodies in palestine awwwww propoganda alive and well in the U.S.