Israeli assault targets symbols of Hamas power

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not.

Then you just proved that Israel is a terrorist state.

Palestinian civilians gets killed because Hamas uses them as human shields. Period.

[MandR 0]

When are the Hamas going to realize it's not in their best intrest to ** with Israel?!!!

It's like poking a Kodiac bear with a stick... all you do is piss 'em off!

Are you saying that Hamas' rockets which killed no Israelis warrented killing over 300 Palestinians? How many Palestinian lives are worth one Israeli life?

HUH ???

You did just say that no Israelis were or have been killed by hamas' rockets attacks. You really need to do some updated reading and research on that incorrect statement.

How many Israelis died from Hamas' rockets that were launched before Israel started this slaughter of Palestinians? Please provide your source.

HERE YOU GO................. Read away

Israelis Killed

Apparently your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

Again, how many Israelis were killed by Hamas' ROCKET ATTACKS for which Israel is supposedly relatiating against? I did not ask how many Israeli's have been killed since the year 2000 by any other means. I am not even referring to rocket attacks before the peace agreement was broken. I'm talking about how many Israelis were killed as a result of what the Israeli government is now retaliating for.

I'll wait.

Ah.... you need to be more clear in your statements. Your last sentance is NOW asking for something totaly different from what was previously asked. The question has now done a 360.

Now I'll answer the new question. In the period of December 19 (the end of the So Called Peace Treaty) until this past weekend (roughly 1 week) no Israeli's have been killed. But is is only a matter of time.

BUT, as I have stated before, is Israel supposed to just sit back and do nothing each and every day that rockets / missiles are launched into Israel from Gaza since December 19......... I DON'T THINK SO.

Edited December 30, 2008 by MandR

[Pooky 3,680]

Ah, the delicious irony of the situation.

How many people on here realise that the state of Israel was founded on the back of terrorism? My father was serving with the Royal Air Force in Palestine when the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in 1946.

Who was their leader at the time? One Menacham Begin, future Prime Minister of Israel.

Hamas would do well to learn from the Israelis themselves how to progress from terrorism, because terrorism alone will get them nowhere.

To be fair, the target of so-called Israeli terrorism was the British military. The King David Hotel was being used as a command station for the British there and the Israelis called in (several times, I might add) to warn of the impending attack. The British didn't listen -- they didn't consider the Israelis to be much of a threat. So the King David Hotel was blown up.

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not. If this weren't true, then every action taken in war since the beginning of time were acts of terrorism. I don't agree with that idea, but perhaps some might think that way.

I would respectfully disagree. Whether the target is civilian or military, any violence perpetrated by an organisation which does not constitute a nation's or state's military, can be defined as an act of terrorism. If the act is carried by a nation's military, it is an act of war.

The whole of the "troubles", when British soldiers were murdered in Ulster, were terrorist acts. The attack on the USS Cole was a terrorist act. The Boston Tea Party was not so much an act of terrorism, as this is a more modern-day expression, than an act of rebellion. As was the storming of the Bastille in France.

And to be fair also, 15 of the 91 dead in the King David Hotel bombing were Jews. Later on, when the Irgun offered to join with the Hagganah, with a boatload of weapons and ammunition, the Hagganah sank the boat, with the loss of more Jewish lives. Leader of the Hagganah at the time? One Yitzhak Rabin, also future Prime Minister of Israel. Hamas and Fatah, anyone?

[doodlebugg 10]

When are the Hamas going to realize it's not in their best intrest to ** with Israel?!!!

It's like poking a Kodiac bear with a stick... all you do is piss 'em off!

Are you saying that Hamas' rockets which killed no Israelis warrented killing over 300 Palestinians? How many Palestinian lives are worth one Israeli life?

HUH ???

You did just say that no Israelis were or have been killed by hamas' rockets attacks. You really need to do some updated reading and research on that incorrect statement.

How many Israelis died from Hamas' rockets that were launched before Israel started this slaughter of Palestinians? Please provide your source.

HERE YOU GO................. Read away

Israelis Killed

Apparently your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

Again, how many Israelis were killed by Hamas' ROCKET ATTACKS for which Israel is supposedly relatiating against? I did not ask how many Israeli's have been killed since the year 2000 by any other means. I am not even referring to rocket attacks before the peace agreement was broken. I'm talking about how many Israelis were killed as a result of what the Israeli government is now retaliating for.

I'll wait.

Ah.... you need to be more clear in your statements. Your last sentance is NOW asking for something totaly different from what was previously asked. The question has now done a 360.

Now I'll answer the new question. In the period of December 19 (the end of the So Called Peace Treaty) until this past weekend (roughly 1 week) no Israeli's have been killed. But is is only a matter of time.

BUT, as I have stated before, is Israel supposed to just sit back and do nothing each and every day that rockets / missiles are launched into Israel from Gaza since December 19......... I DON'T THINK SO.

Reread my original question.

How many Israelis died from Hamas' rockets that were launched before Israel started this slaughter of Palestinians? Please provide your source.

Maybe someone sitting near you who understands how to comprehend English can help?

[desert_fox 32]

ok read what i just typed

Egypt kicked Israel butt in 6 days to buddy in 1973 or did you forget that ???!!!!!

and they were crying and begging usa to ask Egypt to stop the war and we kicked their butts forever and they can't even think to attack Egypt no more

Yes, I read it, but it's so wrong, it's actually funny

It's a view of many Egyptians that they were the victors of that war. I don't get it either but my husband feels the same way in terms of who won.

Arabs are under impression that they won all the wars against Israel

....and all the Detroit Lions need is a few more victories like they have had the past season and they will be the Super Bowl champs.

[doodlebugg 10]

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not.

Then you just proved that Israel is a terrorist state.

Palestinian civilians gets killed because Hamas uses them as human shields. Period.

Palestinians are now being massacred because Israel is bombing the ####### out of the most densly populated area in the world. Had they instead, gone in and done a ground attack they would have lowered the innocent casualties profoundly.

[desert_fox 32]

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not.

Then you just proved that Israel is a terrorist state.

Palestinian civilians gets killed because Hamas uses them as human shields. Period.

Palestinians are now being massacred because Israel is bombing the ####### out of the most densly populated area in the world. Had they instead, gone in and done a ground attack they would have lowered the innocent casualties profoundly.

That is how not to win a decisive victory. The idea is to make the other guy die for his country and not die for your own. You soften up the targets with air strikes before you send in ground forces. This was learned right after they invented airplanes.

[doodlebugg 10]

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not.

Then you just proved that Israel is a terrorist state.

Palestinian civilians gets killed because Hamas uses them as human shields. Period.

Palestinians are now being massacred because Israel is bombing the ####### out of the most densly populated area in the world. Had they instead, gone in and done a ground attack they would have lowered the innocent casualties profoundly.

That is how not to win a decisive victory. The idea is to make the other guy die for his country and not die for your own. You soften up the targets with air strikes before you send in ground forces. This was learned right after they invented airplanes.

You are talking about human lives here. Where is the victory in killing so many innocents? The lack of value of human life is just disgusting.

[HAL 9000 96]

Ah, the delicious irony of the situation.

How many people on here realise that the state of Israel was founded on the back of terrorism? My father was serving with the Royal Air Force in Palestine when the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in 1946.

Who was their leader at the time? One Menacham Begin, future Prime Minister of Israel.

Hamas would do well to learn from the Israelis themselves how to progress from terrorism, because terrorism alone will get them nowhere.

Indeed very ironic.

Ditto. And there is much more unpleasant and forgotten history involved in the UN/British/Palestinian/Israeli issue...history that is necessary to help us put into context what is going on there right now.

Sadly, the spoils of war go to the victors always. History notwithstanding.

[HAL 9000 96]

Ah, the delicious irony of the situation.

How many people on here realise that the state of Israel was founded on the back of terrorism? My father was serving with the Royal Air Force in Palestine when the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in 1946.

Who was their leader at the time? One Menacham Begin, future Prime Minister of Israel.

Hamas would do well to learn from the Israelis themselves how to progress from terrorism, because terrorism alone will get them nowhere.

Indeed very ironic.

I fail to see the "irony". If you're going to claim that Israel was "founded on the back of terrorism",

then so was the US and lots of other countries. One could argue that the Boston Tea Party was an

act of terrorism. So friggin what? That was then, this is now. The rules have changed.

Do I condone such actions then as an apologetic act of revisionism? Do I condone them now? HINT: nope on both accounts.

What is incredibly ironic is how shortsighted many people can be about the very origins of nations and what they glorify in remembering such things when faced with repeating history on a larger scale 'when the rules have changed.'

[desert_fox 32]

You are talking about human lives here. Where is the victory in killing so many innocents? The lack of value of human life is just disgusting.

The victory is that you accomplish your objective....i.e. make the enemy stop launching rockets into Israel. Did you just fall off a turnip truck or something??

[HAL 9000 96]

Ah, the delicious irony of the situation.

How many people on here realise that the state of Israel was founded on the back of terrorism? My father was serving with the Royal Air Force in Palestine when the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in 1946.

Who was their leader at the time? One Menacham Begin, future Prime Minister of Israel.

Hamas would do well to learn from the Israelis themselves how to progress from terrorism, because terrorism alone will get them nowhere.

To be fair, the target of so-called Israeli terrorism was the British military. The King David Hotel was being used as a command station for the British there and the Israelis called in (several times, I might add) to warn of the impending attack. The British didn't listen -- they didn't consider the Israelis to be much of a threat. So the King David Hotel was blown up.

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not. If this weren't true, then every action taken in war since the beginning of time were acts of terrorism. I don't agree with that idea, but perhaps some might think that way.

The USS Liberty did not have that benefit I suppose.

[Pooky 3,680]

Ah, the delicious irony of the situation.

How many people on here realise that the state of Israel was founded on the back of terrorism? My father was serving with the Royal Air Force in Palestine when the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in 1946.

Who was their leader at the time? One Menacham Begin, future Prime Minister of Israel.

Hamas would do well to learn from the Israelis themselves how to progress from terrorism, because terrorism alone will get them nowhere.

To be fair, the target of so-called Israeli terrorism was the British military. The King David Hotel was being used as a command station for the British there and the Israelis called in (several times, I might add) to warn of the impending attack. The British didn't listen -- they didn't consider the Israelis to be much of a threat. So the King David Hotel was blown up.

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not. If this weren't true, then every action taken in war since the beginning of time were acts of terrorism. I don't agree with that idea, but perhaps some might think that way.

The USS Liberty did not have that benefit I suppose.

If the US did not take react against Israel for this incident, then the logical conclusion is that the USS Liberty was not completely "honest" either. If I wanted an intelligence agency on my side, providing me information, it would be Mossad. If the USS Liberty was attacked and the USA did not respond, something about the situation was not "kosher".

And if you think the US is one-sided when it comes to Israel, think back to the Yom Kippur war in 1973, when it was President Nixon who advised President Brezhnev of the Soviet Union that Israel had tactical nuclear weapons live and ready to go, should the Egyptian army set one foot on Israeli soil.

Edited December 30, 2008 by Pooky

[DeadPoolX 9]

The difference I see here is that terrorism against a military target is not terrorism at all. The military is fair game while civilians are not.

Then you just proved that Israel is a terrorist state.

I did no such thing. Hamas is both using Palestinians as shields and recruiting them to do perform suicide bombings against Israel. A civilian is no longer a civilian when they take up arms.

I would respectfully disagree. Whether the target is civilian or military, any violence perpetrated by an organisation which does not constitute a nation's or state's military, can be defined as an act of terrorism. If the act is carried by a nation's military, it is an act of war.

The whole of the "troubles", when British soldiers were murdered in Ulster, were terrorist acts. The attack on the USS Cole was a terrorist act. The Boston Tea Party was not so much an act of terrorism, as this is a more modern-day expression, than an act of rebellion. As was the storming of the Bastille in France.

And to be fair also, 15 of the 91 dead in the King David Hotel bombing were Jews. Later on, when the Irgun offered to join with the Hagganah, with a boatload of weapons and ammunition, the Hagganah sank the boat, with the loss of more Jewish lives. Leader of the Hagganah at the time? One Yitzhak Rabin, also future Prime Minister of Israel. Hamas and Fatah, anyone?

Yes, some Jews were killed in the King David Hotel bombing. They were all warned of the impending strike. If no one bothered to listen, then that's their fault.

As I said before, attacks against the military are not acts of terrorism. Whether or not a country has condoned the acts (which the Palestinians have done and so do other Arab nations) is irrelevant. The military is designed to fight and therefore recognizes the risk of being attacked at any time.

[AlHayatZween 2]

The victory is that you accomplish your objective....i.e. make the enemy stop launching rockets into Israel.

Israel has been pounding the hell out of Palestine-Gaza-Hamas-Whoever you want to name the target--through military offensives (or defensives), through cutting off gas, electricity, food, and medical supplies--and have the rockets stopped being launched into Israel?

Even with the overwhelming military might of one dominant power, one cannot just beat the enemy into submission... at least not in the case of Palestine... all it breeds is more pain, more resistance, more opposition, and in this case, more rocket launches...

There are no clean hands in this conflict.