what the HECK is proof of ongoing relationship?!

[LilLoveBug 0]

I have been reading posts lately from people getting denied after multiple trips to see their fiancee, traveling all over with them, with plane tickets, thousands of emails, phone bills...if that isn't enough - WHAT IS GOOD ENOUGH PROOF OF ONGOING RELATIONSHIP?? Is there some "secret" proof we are all missing that carries more weight with the uscis/consulate??????? I, for one, am extremely confused!

Further, if you are living in the country of your fiancee, how do you have proof of ongoing relationship? You won't have emails and phone bills - other than photos, which obviously, the consulate doesn't give much weight to, what other forms of proof are there? What am I missing?

Confused

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[Dakine 26]

I have been reading posts lately from people getting denied after multiple trips to see their fiancee, traveling all over with them, with plane tickets, thousands of emails, phone bills...if that isn't enough - WHAT IS GOOD ENOUGH PROOF OF ONGOING RELATIONSHIP?? Is there some "secret" proof we are all missing that carries more weight with the uscis/consulate??????? I, for one, am extremely confused!

Further, if you are living in the country of your fiancee, how do you have proof of ongoing relationship? You won't have emails and phone bills - other than photos, which obviously, the consulate doesn't give much weight to, what other forms of proof are there? What am I missing?

Confused

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Proof of living with your fiance in her country is BIG! Photos are also BIG.

Believe it or not I've "heard" COs are looking to hear how much the bene LOVES their mate. Some benes [especially scammers] don't mention how much they love their mate!

Attending the interview is a big plus also.

Edited December 29, 2008 by Haole

[Sylvia_n_Joseph 3]

In some places the embassy is as just corrupt. There are rules about what is supposed to happen during the interview but some officers take it on themselves to readjudacate the petition. You can go to an interview with a relationship of several years, hundreds of pictures , thousands of dollars of phone bills and still not get approved. Lagos is by far the worse place for this behavior. It doesn't happen to everyone but it happens often enough. It really shows that that petitioners and benificaries are not treated equally and it is very dependant on where the benificary is, if he is younger than she and if both are the same race. Otherwise you are in for more problems.

[Dakine 26]

In some places the embassy is as just corrupt. There are rules about what is supposed to happen during the interview but some officers take it on themselves to readjudacate the petition. You can go to an interview with a relationship of several years, hundreds of pictures , thousands of dollars of phone bills and still not get approved. Lagos is by far the worse place for this behavior. It doesn't happen to everyone but it happens often enough. It really shows that that petitioners and benificaries are not treated equally and it is very dependant on where the benificary is, if he is younger than she and if both are the same race. Otherwise you are in for more problems.

Also goes by which countries have the most amount of scammers which Nigeria is one of the countries at the top of the list. Vietnam and Thailand are up there also.

[Sylvia_n_Joseph 3]

The Philipines is up there but because it is mostly older men after young woman so the visas are eazy there. Believe me it is not a fair system. I hear about more young woman from there using a man to get here and then they run off with someone else than I do of fake Nigerian relationships. If fraud was the real reason for extra issues then it would be happening there as often as it does to an older white woman wanting to bring her African mate.

[Dakine 26]

The Philipines is up there but because it is mostly older men after young woman so the visas are eazy there. Believe me it is not a fair system. I hear about more young woman from there using a man to get here and then they run off with someone else than I do of fake Nigerian relationships. If fraud was the real reason for extra issues then it would be happening there as often as it does to an older white woman wanting to bring her African mate.

Lots of fraud in the Philippines also. Mostly family in the US trying to get family in PI to the US.

Guys being scammed by GC hunters also. Good thing is most older guys have the bucks so the girls may end up without going on welfare in the US.

[hope2018 25]

The best thing I can tell you going through this is that your wife can show them that she is in fact wanting and willing to marry you she has to be confident a very sure about her realtionship with you the biggest amount of fraud cases come through HCMC. If you are really true and she can answer all there questions you should be fine we brought bags of info letters phone chats etc organized very well all they asked for was some pictures and asked her who was in the pictures and that was that. Good luck

[Jasman0717 9]

The Philipines is up there but because it is mostly older men after young woman so the visas are eazy there. Believe me it is not a fair system. I hear about more young woman from there using a man to get here and then they run off with someone else than I do of fake Nigerian relationships. If fraud was the real reason for extra issues then it would be happening there as often as it does to an older white woman wanting to bring her African mate.

What kind of ####### is this

[KimandRuss 0]

Please, lets try not to stereotype.

There are plenty of very real and very loving relationships even from higher fraud posts.

[william_wallace 8]

Please, lets try not to stereotype.

There are plenty of very real and very loving relationships even from higher fraud posts.

Talking of stereotypes, I've seen plenty Rednecks since I've been here

[gyi 1]

Some good questions about this proof stuff, When you applied for the Visa you had to follow strict legal requirements, which you met if your I-797 was approved, now enter the Consulates which have the same strict legal requirements for a denial but resort to a subjective standard ( how many visits, phone calls, one can get the idea) in many of these denials.

[Jasman0717 9]

Please, lets try not to stereotype.

There are plenty of very real and very loving relationships even from higher fraud posts.

Talking of stereotypes, I've seen plenty Rednecks since I've been here

What's a redneck

[Cham 3]

Please, lets try not to stereotype.

There are plenty of very real and very loving relationships even from higher fraud posts.

Talking of stereotypes, I've seen plenty Rednecks since I've been here

What's a redneck

here ya go examples of rednecks:

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rednecks are beer drinking hunters who watch nascar (car races) and love country music or rock

they yell YEEEEEHA a lot and have mullet haircuts..(not all beer drinking hunters or nascar watchers are rednecks but most are:))

now rednecks come from all regions and countries, NEVER hold a cheap beer or a gun near them as they will start to drool

[KimandRuss 0]

Some good questions about this proof stuff, When you applied for the Visa you had to follow strict legal requirements, which you met if your I-797 was approved, now enter the Consulates which have the same strict legal requirements for a denial but resort to a subjective standard ( how many visits, phone calls, one can get the idea) in many of these denials.

A very good point in that the uscis is not the ultimate deciding factor. Although, the visa is only applied for after the uscis approves the I-129f petition (I-797/NOA2). What you have with your NOA2 is merely an approved petition which then enables your fiance to apply for the visa.

Subjective standard is a very good way to explain how each Embassy decides whether or not a visa is approved. Those higher fraud posts will most likely look for any red flags they can find to dissprove the relationship (age difference, recent divorce, short courtship...etc, etc) ...and then make you jump through hoops. We can blame the CO, the Country, the system, even people on power trips... but ultimately it is those who have abused the system that make it so much harder for the rest of us.

Therefore, it's very important to provide any and all evidence of a bonafide relationship that you can, especially when dealing with these places. If your relationship is true and you are prepared and diligent in your efforts it's very likely you will succeed in bringing your loved one here...eventually.

[Conan 0]

I am getting nervous reading this. My fiance is 19 and from the Philippines and I am 29 and am from the USA. I have a lot of phone records but they are to her cell phone. Can she bring in the phone to prove it is her number? Should I be worried? What is the best way for her to pass the interview? We are planning to be together next year and will be devastated if she isn't approved.