American men meeting Russian women in ........America?????

[Brad and Vika 129]

K1, would you mind sharing your works on Sov/Af and Rus/Chech?

I was knee-deep in online studies before the "global war on terror" shut down most of the unbiased websites. Now, I simply can't accept the "fair and balanced" news we see from around the world. I went so far as to order a few books with "Jihad" in the title before running out of resources. After I stopped working for Uncle Sam I realized ordering books about mujahideen wasn't such a good idea since we no longer observe the 4th Amendment. Hopefully sometime in the near future we'll be able to exercise our 1st Amendment Rights again too.

Anyway.... putting the tin-foil hat back in it's case.

If you'd be willing to share I'll PM you with an E-mail address.

So now you are on the same government list as the rest of us subversives - welcome to the club. I want to add my voice to Slim's here, asking for access to your article on the Chechen conflict, and any research that is an easy read. My Russian is pretty poor though, so English language stuff only for me please.

Edited January 30, 2009 by Brad and Vika

[K1researcher 0]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

Alot of interesting stuff in regards to Chechnya....US backed Mujadheen, Russians and Chechnyan's torchering Chechnyan's, and now you have journalist in Russia being killed off like fly's and the Kremlin is always pointing the finger at Chechnyan mafia...how convienent for Putin. Let's not forget that a significant number of Chechnyan dissendents living outside Chechnya...all enemy's of Kadrov.

What alot of Americans don't realize is that the real trouble in regards to Russia is ...Ukraine. If Russia gets it's way in regards to a pro Kremlin government in Ukraine, it could lead to further Russifcation of Ukraine later on. Putin has made threats in regards to the Crim, and Belarus has lost their language all together due to Russfication.

[Brad and Vika 129]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

Alot of interesting stuff in regards to Chechnya....US backed Mujadheen, Russians and Chechnyan's torchering Chechnyan's, and now you have journalist in Russia being killed off like fly's and the Kremlin is always pointing the finger at Chechnyan mafia...how convienent for Putin. Let's not forget that a significant number of Chechnyan dissendents living outside Chechnya...all enemy's of Kadrov.

What alot of Americans don't realize is that the real trouble in regards to Russia is ...Ukraine. If Russia gets it's way in regards to a pro Kremlin government in Ukraine, it could lead to further Russifcation of Ukraine later on. Putin has made threats in regards to the Crim, and Belarus has lost their language all together due to Russfication.

That is true - educated Belarussians speak Russian, even at home. There is also a tendency to try and find ways to characterize yourself as "ethnic Russian" there, through ancestry, etc. My ex-partners there all spoke fluent Russian, and preferred it over their native tongue. Some of the younger ones can't even speak Belarussian fluently, although they understand it fine.

[slim 1,530]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

Sounds like some good reading, I'll be standing by.

Alot of interesting stuff in regards to Chechnya....US backed Mujadheen, Russians and Chechnyan's torchering Chechnyan's, and now you have journalist in Russia being killed off like fly's and the Kremlin is always pointing the finger at Chechnyan mafia...how convienent for Putin. Let's not forget that a significant number of Chechnyan dissendents living outside Chechnya...all enemy's of Kadrov.

Good thing we don't have anything like that here! It would really suck if our government could do whatever they wanted and then blame it on someone else.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

Sounds like some good reading, I'll be standing by.

Alot of interesting stuff in regards to Chechnya....US backed Mujadheen, Russians and Chechnyan's torchering Chechnyan's, and now you have journalist in Russia being killed off like fly's and the Kremlin is always pointing the finger at Chechnyan mafia...how convienent for Putin. Let's not forget that a significant number of Chechnyan dissendents living outside Chechnya...all enemy's of Kadrov.

Good thing we don't have anything like that here! It would really suck if our government could do whatever they wanted and then blame it on someone else.

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not...our government has done alot of crappy things ...Iraq war, Vietnam...the list goes on and on and on. But after living in Russia...I worked there at Sakhalin Island, I got a good look into the Russian mindset.

Journalist who are critical of Putin are being picked off like fly's ...murdered. Chechnyan dissendents living abroad are getting mowed down at an alrarming rate...and if anyone here thinks last years presidential elections in Russia were actually fair and democratic...then they haven't a clue.

Ukraine is the key right now. If the pro western Ukrianian government can hold out...or atleast hold a majority of the seats, then Ukraine has a chance. If not, and the pro Kremlin party in Ukriane wins the next elections, Ukraine will most likely go the way of Belarus....and it doesn't get any worse in Europe than Belarus. Belarus is run by a dictator who can't even speak his own country's langauge due to his Russification in school, politics, and work. Belarus is the last hold out in Europe when it comes to communism, and those people have little freedom left if any. It's a ####### government that runs Belarus.

[mox 298]

Good thing we don't have anything like that here! It would really suck if our government could do whatever they wanted and then blame it on someone else.

[Brad and Vika 129]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

Sounds like some good reading, I'll be standing by.

Alot of interesting stuff in regards to Chechnya....US backed Mujadheen, Russians and Chechnyan's torchering Chechnyan's, and now you have journalist in Russia being killed off like fly's and the Kremlin is always pointing the finger at Chechnyan mafia...how convienent for Putin. Let's not forget that a significant number of Chechnyan dissendents living outside Chechnya...all enemy's of Kadrov.

Good thing we don't have anything like that here! It would really suck if our government could do whatever they wanted and then blame it on someone else.

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not...our government has done alot of crappy things ...Iraq war, Vietnam...the list goes on and on and on. But after living in Russia...I worked there at Sakhalin Island, I got a good look into the Russian mindset.

Journalist who are critical of Putin are being picked off like fly's ...murdered. Chechnyan dissendents living abroad are getting mowed down at an alrarming rate...and if anyone here thinks last years presidential elections in Russia were actually fair and democratic...then they haven't a clue.

Ukraine is the key right now. If the pro western Ukrianian government can hold out...or atleast hold a majority of the seats, then Ukraine has a chance. If not, and the pro Kremlin party in Ukriane wins the next elections, Ukraine will most likely go the way of Belarus....and it doesn't get any worse in Europe than Belarus. Belarus is run by a dictator who can't even speak his own country's langauge due to his Russification in school, politics, and work. Belarus is the last hold out in Europe when it comes to communism, and those people have little freedom left if any. It's a ####### government that runs Belarus.

Those of us who know Slim a little are betting money on sarcasm. Most USCs here probably agree with your comments on Ukraine and Belarus, if they follow the issues. I will warn you though that there are a fair number of rabid Putinists who watch this forum, and negative commentary about the Russian government will draw three types of fire: 1) You aren't one of us, and cannot understand, 2) You haven't done enough research, and the ever popular 3) What is strongest is rightest and criticism will not be tolerated. See any thread dealing with the Georgian conflict - several posters refused to acknowledge that Ossetia is even within the sovereign borders of Georgia. There may even be sparks from this humble post. You are warned!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

Sounds like some good reading, I'll be standing by.

Alot of interesting stuff in regards to Chechnya....US backed Mujadheen, Russians and Chechnyan's torchering Chechnyan's, and now you have journalist in Russia being killed off like fly's and the Kremlin is always pointing the finger at Chechnyan mafia...how convienent for Putin. Let's not forget that a significant number of Chechnyan dissendents living outside Chechnya...all enemy's of Kadrov.

Good thing we don't have anything like that here! It would really suck if our government could do whatever they wanted and then blame it on someone else.

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not...our government has done alot of crappy things ...Iraq war, Vietnam...the list goes on and on and on. But after living in Russia...I worked there at Sakhalin Island, I got a good look into the Russian mindset.

Journalist who are critical of Putin are being picked off like fly's ...murdered. Chechnyan dissendents living abroad are getting mowed down at an alrarming rate...and if anyone here thinks last years presidential elections in Russia were actually fair and democratic...then they haven't a clue.

Ukraine is the key right now. If the pro western Ukrianian government can hold out...or atleast hold a majority of the seats, then Ukraine has a chance. If not, and the pro Kremlin party in Ukriane wins the next elections, Ukraine will most likely go the way of Belarus....and it doesn't get any worse in Europe than Belarus. Belarus is run by a dictator who can't even speak his own country's langauge due to his Russification in school, politics, and work. Belarus is the last hold out in Europe when it comes to communism, and those people have little freedom left if any. It's a ####### government that runs Belarus.

Those of us who know Slim a little are betting money on sarcasm. Most USCs here probably agree with your comments on Ukraine and Belarus, if they follow the issues. I will warn you though that there are a fair number of rabid Putinists who watch this forum, and negative commentary about the Russian government will draw three types of fire: 1) You aren't one of us, and cannot understand, 2) You haven't done enough research, and the ever popular 3) What is strongest is rightest and criticism will not be tolerated. See any thread dealing with the Georgian conflict - several posters refused to acknowledge that Ossetia is even within the sovereign borders of Georgia. There may even be sparks from this humble post. You are warned!

LOL...I'm used to it. I post alot on topix.com in the Belarusian, Ukraine, and Russia forums...and I guess I'm a Russophobe for the most part. I get a laugh from the Russophile's though...they crack me up. "strength of Russia 's military > indoor plumbing" is always their motto. They always manage to point out that Stalin is Georgian...even though Russians voted him the third greatest Russian of all time...and he would have been voted #1 if the media hadn't begged Russians not to vote for him when he was running #1 in the polls...for 3 months straight I might add. Stalin...the killer of over 20,000,000 people.

Here's a good link down below that pretty much sums up the current government in Russia. It's a short one page article.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2163481.ece

From The TimesJuly 30, 2007

Textbooks rewrite history to fit Putin’s vision

Tony Halpin in Moscow

*continued in above link....

[Brad and Vika 129]

sure guys .. BUT Sof/Afhgan paper is a couple months from being done its rather large.

Chechen paper I should have finished in the next month or so .. This particular article stresses the UN fears of interference with Russia and their basic impotence when it comes to Russian except during the Tajikistan and Georgia when Russia was at its weakness. I will warn that I come from a military acedamey education so do not expect any sympathies for chechens of afghans ;-)

While i back all fats up i have been accused of being a tad nationalistic towards Russia in the past. hehe But I have no prob sharing I will let you all know when these are done.

Sounds like some good reading, I'll be standing by.

Alot of interesting stuff in regards to Chechnya....US backed Mujadheen, Russians and Chechnyan's torchering Chechnyan's, and now you have journalist in Russia being killed off like fly's and the Kremlin is always pointing the finger at Chechnyan mafia...how convienent for Putin. Let's not forget that a significant number of Chechnyan dissendents living outside Chechnya...all enemy's of Kadrov.

Good thing we don't have anything like that here! It would really suck if our government could do whatever they wanted and then blame it on someone else.

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not...our government has done alot of crappy things ...Iraq war, Vietnam...the list goes on and on and on. But after living in Russia...I worked there at Sakhalin Island, I got a good look into the Russian mindset.

Journalist who are critical of Putin are being picked off like fly's ...murdered. Chechnyan dissendents living abroad are getting mowed down at an alrarming rate...and if anyone here thinks last years presidential elections in Russia were actually fair and democratic...then they haven't a clue.

Ukraine is the key right now. If the pro western Ukrianian government can hold out...or atleast hold a majority of the seats, then Ukraine has a chance. If not, and the pro Kremlin party in Ukriane wins the next elections, Ukraine will most likely go the way of Belarus....and it doesn't get any worse in Europe than Belarus. Belarus is run by a dictator who can't even speak his own country's langauge due to his Russification in school, politics, and work. Belarus is the last hold out in Europe when it comes to communism, and those people have little freedom left if any. It's a ####### government that runs Belarus.

Those of us who know Slim a little are betting money on sarcasm. Most USCs here probably agree with your comments on Ukraine and Belarus, if they follow the issues. I will warn you though that there are a fair number of rabid Putinists who watch this forum, and negative commentary about the Russian government will draw three types of fire: 1) You aren't one of us, and cannot understand, 2) You haven't done enough research, and the ever popular 3) What is strongest is rightest and criticism will not be tolerated. See any thread dealing with the Georgian conflict - several posters refused to acknowledge that Ossetia is even within the sovereign borders of Georgia. There may even be sparks from this humble post. You are warned!

LOL...I'm used to it. I post alot on topix.com in the Belarusian, Ukraine, and Russia forums...and I guess I'm a Russophobe for the most part. I get a laugh from the Russophile's though...they crack me up. "strength of Russia 's military > indoor plumbing" is always their motto. They always manage to point out that Stalin is Georgian...even though Russians voted him the third greatest Russian of all time...and he would have been voted #1 if the media hadn't begged Russians not to vote for him when he was running #1 in the polls...for 3 months straight I might add. Stalin...the killer of over 20,000,000 people.

Here's a good link down below that pretty much sums up the current government in Russia. It's a short one page article.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2163481.ece

From The TimesJuly 30, 2007

Textbooks rewrite history to fit Putin’s vision

Tony Halpin in Moscow

*continued in above link....

Interesting commentary on a political/social philosophy that often confounds us in the West. The thought that success and stability only come through the leadership of the very strongest elitists (I think we get that bit) and any sort of action against the population is excusable if it is done in the name of creating or maintaining a strong nation. I think we stop short (usually) of direct control of media, text books, etc to convey "official" state ideology.

[mox 298]

I think we stop short (usually) of direct control of media, text books, etc to convey "official" state ideology.

So I take it you haven't lived in the US over the last 8 years.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I think we stop short (usually) of direct control of media, text books, etc to convey "official" state ideology.

So I take it you haven't lived in the US over the last 8 years.

Don't mistake left or right leaning coverage for direct control. Remember that when Bush II took office, there was a HUGE outcry against the liberal bias in the media. The pendulum swung way to the right, and is now headed back to center (for a limited time).

In Belarus, the Office of the President of the Republic actually OWNS 100% of the newspaper monopoly. There is also state ownership and control to a slightly lesser degree of the text book printing monopoly and tv news. The former two were once clients of mine. Most private businesses are required to give a "golden share" of ownership to the government (meaning Lukashenko), in addition to taxes. Check out the official press releases from the Belarussian embassy, the stuff is an unbelievable departure from reality.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I think we stop short (usually) of direct control of media, text books, etc to convey "official" state ideology.

So I take it you haven't lived in the US over the last 8 years.

Don't mistake left or right leaning coverage for direct control. Remember that when Bush II took office, there was a HUGE outcry against the liberal bias in the media. The pendulum swung way to the right, and is now headed back to center (for a limited time).

In Belarus, the Office of the President of the Republic actually OWNS 100% of the newspaper monopoly. There is also state ownership and control to a slightly lesser degree of the text book printing monopoly and tv news. The former two were once clients of mine. Most private businesses are required to give a "golden share" of ownership to the government (meaning Lukashenko), in addition to taxes. Check out the official press releases from the Belarussian embassy, the stuff is an unbelievable departure from reality.

Ah good ol dictator Lukashenko....he's still thinks he can bring back the Soviet Union. Belarus....where else can you see statues of Lenin in almost every city you go to other than good ol repressive Belarus. Private industry there has been all but eliminated, the news there is like watching an old 1960 Soviet propoganda cartoon...which btw they run those old cartoons on a daily basis.

When he doesn't get what he wants from someone there...he takes it. Lucky for Lukashenko he gets his money from the Kremlin. Other money's come from his prostitution business ...he gets a cut of that from the pimps that fly out plane loads of young Belarusian women to Turkey and a few Arab countries. He gets a cut of just about everything there. He's nothing more than a mafiaso thug financially supported by Russia.

Belarus is listed in the top 10 of most censored countries. But good ol Russia is moving up on the list also. Putin has taken control of every major media source in Russia one way or another.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_...xKADFCdrS50bBAF

[Brad and Vika 129]

I think we stop short (usually) of direct control of media, text books, etc to convey "official" state ideology.

So I take it you haven't lived in the US over the last 8 years.

Don't mistake left or right leaning coverage for direct control. Remember that when Bush II took office, there was a HUGE outcry against the liberal bias in the media. The pendulum swung way to the right, and is now headed back to center (for a limited time).

In Belarus, the Office of the President of the Republic actually OWNS 100% of the newspaper monopoly. There is also state ownership and control to a slightly lesser degree of the text book printing monopoly and tv news. The former two were once clients of mine. Most private businesses are required to give a "golden share" of ownership to the government (meaning Lukashenko), in addition to taxes. Check out the official press releases from the Belarussian embassy, the stuff is an unbelievable departure from reality.

Ah good ol dictator Lukashenko....he's still thinks he can bring back the Soviet Union. Belarus....where else can you see statues of Lenin in almost every city you go to other than good ol repressive Belarus. Private industry there has been all but eliminated, the news there is like watching an old 1960 Soviet propoganda cartoon...which btw they run those old cartoons on a daily basis.

When he doesn't get what he wants from someone there...he takes it. Lucky for Lukashenko he gets his money from the Kremlin. Other money's come from his prostitution business ...he gets a cut of that from the pimps that fly out plane loads of young Belarusian women to Turkey and a few Arab countries. He gets a cut of just about everything there. He's nothing more than a mafiaso thug financially supported by Russia.

Belarus is listed in the top 10 of most censored countries. But good ol Russia is moving up on the list also. Putin has taken control of every major media source in Russia one way or another.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_...xKADFCdrS50bBAF

Back in the Yeltsin days, Lukashenko proposed a complete Union of Belarus with Russia. There was actually some speculation that because of Yeltsin's flaws, Uncle Sasha and the boys could have wound up running the whole thing (Stalin setting the precedent). When Putin took power, I understand that his government expressed delight at the wonderful opportunity for Russia to reunite with their brothers in Belarus, and would immediately proceed with annexation of this new, autonomous Russian republic. Guess who was almost out of a job. There has been a relative stall in "unification" since then.

When Belarus proposed (and announced publicly four years ago) that they would use Russia's ruble as their currency eventually, the response was reportedly "why would we allow that?" That having been said, Russia does seem to tolerate a fair amount of goofy policy from Belarus. When the price of gas and oil was increased, Belarus immediately agreed to the new price. They then increased the cost of transporting energy to Europe through Belarus by a roughly equivalent amount. Notice that the recent deal with Ukraine specifically prohibited an increase in transport costs through Ukraine.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Lukashenko likes to make threats to the west about a union of the two countries...Russia and Belarus that is. Putin on the other hand is biding his time. It's like the constrictor waiting to swallow the rabit.

Ukraine....if Obama doesn't realize that's the key right now he's nuts. Iraq means nothing on the scale of world affairs right now compared to Ukraine. Germany put the screws to Ukraine in regards to the NATO MAP program last year, and if Germany pulls that stunt again it's going to result in a seperate alliance with the US, Poland, the Baltic countries, and Ukraine. Right now Russia is trying to pull NATO apart at the seams, and it seems to be working.

Here's two good links worth reading if you have the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7861248.stm

http://www.kommersant.com/p838631/r_528/foreign_relations/ <---older article, but not all that old.