The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

here's free health care

link

[mox 298]

You've obviously never served.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You've obviously never served.

You and your Ilk, love to serve the word but not in a meaningful way. I so love you too! heh heh heh! I mean that too. Fkin jokes!

[mox 298]

You and your Ilk, love to serve the word but not in a meaningful way. I so love you too! heh heh heh! I mean that too. Fkin jokes!

Somebody needs a hug.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You and your Ilk, love to serve the word but not in a meaningful way. I so love you too! heh heh heh! I mean that too. Fkin jokes!

Somebody needs a hug.

Words dont pay the bills that your so adiment about payin!

[Danno 1,228]

I will agree with the premise of this threads title.

"The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much"

Any time people can get used to getting something free.. or even a sweet deal, they tend to not want to give it up.... well, Duh!

I'm quite sure the vast majority of people don't look so longingly at social healthcare because they get to be the one to pay more.

Every single person wants to pay a minimum in payment and be covered for everything.

By the same token, the Right-wing does not want the Govt to start paying everyones mortgage either... if the lefties passed that law, I am sure people would like it too much to stop it as well

If the question is: will our lower natures allow us to push the cost of medical attention onto others to pay?

See we are not even talking about setting up some "Extreme medical conditions" coverage law... n,n,noooo, we want a whole big program we can all ride on.

How is your ride gonna get paid for?

Could one of you -search engine wizards- find out the average profit per year for a healthcare insurance company, I thick we will see, if these companies worked "at-cost" not much would change.

[mox 298]

I will agree with the premise of this threads title.

"The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much"

Any time people can get used to getting something free.. or even a sweet deal, they tend to not want to give it up.... well, Duh!

I don't think that generality holds up too well in the context of social services. Fire services are free, but we don't burn our houses down to take advantage of emergency response. Police services are free, but we don't walk down dark alleys at night to get our free access to filing police reports. I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just don't think the analogy holds.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

You've obviously never served.

you're obviously wrong again.

[mox 298]

You've obviously never served.

you're obviously wrong again.

No, I'm definitely right. As always.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

You've obviously never served.

you're obviously wrong again.

No, I'm definitely right. As always.

you keep on thinking that.

[aidan80 9]

I will agree with the premise of this threads title.

"The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much"

Any time people can get used to getting something free.. or even a sweet deal, they tend to not want to give it up.... well, Duh!

I don't think that generality holds up too well in the context of social services. Fire services are free, but we don't burn our houses down to take advantage of emergency response. Police services are free, but we don't walk down dark alleys at night to get our free access to filing police reports. I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just don't think the analogy holds.

Not totally true it isn't free but it is a "sweet deal" compared to the current system! Fire/Police and where available EMS is not free. In the area where we live at least, I can't speak for everywhere.. they are paid for by taxes that we pay to either the City or County depending on which we live in. EMS in this place is a run by a private for profit company meaning we get sick/in an accident and need transported.. we get a bill from EMS. The same is not true for Fire or Police they won't bill us but we do pay for it one way or another and if you're somehow not paying.. someone else is paying for it.

But back on topic.. I agree 110% National Health Care is the way to go! Just stick the equivalent of VAT on everything say 15% - 18% and hide it so people don't see themselves paying for it... Bring in a flat tax so if you make X amount of money Y amount is pulled from your cheque before you ever get to see it.. no hiding from the government and no more not paying your taxes!!.. No more deductions no more filing and sending ####### into the IRS.. in fact I think they'd be downsizing the IRS!!!

[mox 298]

you keep on thinking that.

Okay then. In the meantime, until you've actually served I would thank you to stop hating on our troops. They keep pinkos like you safe in your bed at night.

[Danno 1,228]

I will agree with the premise of this threads title.

"The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much"

Any time people can get used to getting something free.. or even a sweet deal, they tend to not want to give it up.... well, Duh!

I don't think that generality holds up too well in the context of social services. Fire services are free, but we don't burn our houses down to take advantage of emergency response. Police services are free, but we don't walk down dark alleys at night to get our free access to filing police reports. I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just don't think the analogy holds.

What you are suggesting is that I and others are against things such as emergency services or....

enforcement of laws.

All these services perform a mutually beneficial service so a community might (or might not) choose to fund them.

Healthcare as it dreamed about is neither emergency nor a circumstance which directly impacts the rights or liberty of others.... unless you are talking about communicable type illnesses which

would hold a mutually beneficial aid to the general public.

Actually you could find "real examples" of existing big Govt... to justify More big Govt.

Care to take another swing at it?

[HAL 9000 96]

I will agree with the premise of this threads title.

"The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much"

Any time people can get used to getting something free.. or even a sweet deal, they tend to not want to give it up.... well, Duh!

I don't think that generality holds up too well in the context of social services. Fire services are free, but we don't burn our houses down to take advantage of emergency response. Police services are free, but we don't walk down dark alleys at night to get our free access to filing police reports. I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just don't think the analogy holds.

Not totally true it isn't free but it is a "sweet deal" compared to the current system! Fire/Police and where available EMS is not free. In the area where we live at least, I can't speak for everywhere.. they are paid for by taxes that we pay to either the City or County depending on which we live in. EMS in this place is a run by a private for profit company meaning we get sick/in an accident and need transported.. we get a bill from EMS. The same is not true for Fire or Police they won't bill us but we do pay for it one way or another and if you're somehow not paying.. someone else is paying for it.

But back on topic.. I agree 110% National Health Care is the way to go! Just stick the equivalent of VAT on everything say 15% - 18% and hide it so people don't see themselves paying for it... Bring in a flat tax so if you make X amount of money Y amount is pulled from your cheque before you ever get to see it.. no hiding from the government and no more not paying your taxes!!.. No more deductions no more filing and sending ####### into the IRS.. in fact I think they'd be downsizing the IRS!!!

Interesting second paragraph. Could you imagine many of our neo-con posters realizing they've been frolicking about a flat rate VAT all this time and then seeing it go into a solid NHS here with less overhead costs than the private mess we currently have?

Amazing...

[HAL 9000 96]

I will agree with the premise of this threads title.

"The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much"

Any time people can get used to getting something free.. or even a sweet deal, they tend to not want to give it up.... well, Duh!

I don't think that generality holds up too well in the context of social services. Fire services are free, but we don't burn our houses down to take advantage of emergency response. Police services are free, but we don't walk down dark alleys at night to get our free access to filing police reports. I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just don't think the analogy holds.

What you are suggesting is that I and others are against things such as emergency services or....

enforcement of laws.

All these services perform a mutually beneficial service so a community might (or might not) choose to fund them.

Healthcare as it dreamed about is neither emergency nor a circumstance which directly impacts the rights or liberty of others.... unless you are talking about communicable type illnesses which

would hold a mutually beneficial aid to the general public.

Actually you could find "real examples" of existing big Govt... to justify More big Govt.

Care to take another swing at it?

Crime prevention, fire fighting, et al, do not occur on a community-wide basis. Is it not the case where 911 response is actually pretty specific in location and instance? Hence, it is just as singularly beneficial as, say, healthcare. And ironically, tied into a community context makes it much cheaper in the long run for all services involved since many emergency services provided come because of health conditions.

Unless you know something the rest of us don't...