The Right Wing's Latest Argument Against Public Health Care -- We'd Like It Too Much

[William33 110]

It's Christmas.....Let's not argue, ok?

[mox 298]

It's Christmas.....Let's not argue, ok?

LOL! What forum do you think you're in?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Ok well I can see it's pointless to engage with you at all on any subject. Best of luck to you.

It wasnt pointless, its just that the points were way to sharp for your dull argument. One more thing,be careful what you wish for.

It's Christmas.....Let's not argue, ok?

Comon Willie! Its a debate thats all! Sheesh. Do somethin important!

[mox 298]

It wasnt pointless, its just that the points were way to sharp for your dull argument.

Yes, the "your position is stupid because it's all about me and my pain" argument is whatchacall razor sharp and always teh win.

One more thing,be careful what you wish for.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I really don't care either. Have fun.

[William33 110]

Ok well I can see it's pointless to engage with you at all on any subject. Best of luck to you.

It wasnt pointless, its just that the points were way to sharp for your dull argument. One more thing,be careful what you wish for.

It's Christmas.....Let's not argue, ok?

Comon Willie! Its a debate thats all! Sheesh. Do somethin important!

I am Dude! I am prepping for Christmas dinner and drinking Gentleman Jack! A gift from a co-worker.

Meanwhile, posting here.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

It wasnt pointless, its just that the points were way to sharp for your dull argument.

Yes, the "your position is stupid because it's all about me and my pain" argument is whatchacall razor sharp and always teh win.

One more thing,be careful what you wish for.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I really don't care either. Have fun.

I see I made my point! Back to the herd son!

Ok well I can see it's pointless to engage with you at all on any subject. Best of luck to you.

It wasnt pointless, its just that the points were way to sharp for your dull argument. One more thing,be careful what you wish for.

It's Christmas.....Let's not argue, ok?

Comon Willie! Its a debate thats all! Sheesh. Do somethin important!

I am Dude! I am prepping for Christmas dinner and drinking Gentleman Jack! A gift from a co-worker.

Meanwhile, posting here.

Right-on Willie sippin a little 8 year VO myself! ching ching!

[Empress of Groovy 373]

She died in her home just after coming home from a public health facility! She collapsed on her mother from massive internal bleeding, but of course the anti-biotics they gave her for it, didnt help!

Have some STRAW,man.

That's terribly sad, but that sort of thing happens in the U.S. all the time. A major difference between many countries and the U.S. is that here, not only are grieving family members dealing with the loss of a loved one, but also medical bills. If we're going to pull from anecdotes, my stepmother was paying medical bills related to my dad's esophageal cancer care for years after he died. This was 10 years ago, and they had what they thought was decent insurance through my stepmother's employer. I can only imagine what equivalent expenses would be now. Much of the bills were from repeated emergency room visits for complications from chemo, and a staph infection that he picked up in the hospital. He died after 14 months of aggressive chemo and radiation treatments, and terrible suffering. This, in the most glorious (and expensive) healthcare system in the world! Imagine receiving bills from the hospital that failed to save your spouse. Or indeed your child? A good friend of mine lost her 8-year-old son to cancer in 1994 after three heartbreaking years of illness and deterioration, and she would have gone bankrupt from medical expenses had it not been for the help of her family and numerous local charities (only one still exists). Should parents of critically ill children have to hold bake sales for their children's treatment? Here they do. What kind of society allows for this? One that has deluded itself into thinking that people should simply fend for themselves and that whatever is being charged in the free market is somehow fair. And people who blindly believe that our system is superior simply because it's more expensive.

Private, for-profit care does not equal better care, it equals more expensive care that suits few at the literal and figurative expense of many. This system f*cks many more people than it helps, as compared with universal systems that are free at the point of care.

[mox 298]

This system f*cks many more people than it helps, as compared with universal systems that are free at the point of care.

Exactly.

I was unemployed for 2 months awhile back, and had NO health insurance. I could have purchased COBRA, but being unemployed and having no income it was, er, sorta out of my price range. Had me or my family suffered anything requiring hospitalization, we'd have been completely screwed. We should be expecting more from a country that considers itself the most modern civilization in the free world.

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[Empress of Groovy 373]

It's Christmas.....Let's not argue, ok?

Well, it seems that many of us agree that this is a crazy request!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Dieing in line, wating to get care is good? Just like Carol's mom did. Now thats disgusting!

That's a straw man argument.

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute. Then, one attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]

She died in her home just after coming home from a public health facility! She collapsed on her mother from massive internal bleeding, but of course the anti-biotics they gave her for it, didnt help!

Have some STRAW,man.

But, this happens with many patients regardless of whether or not it is privately or publicly funded...

I guess if you see a loved one layin in a hallway blowing up like a balloon and then sent home with some penicillin, is healthcare then just hand-out pistols with every diagnosis.Just cuz thats what you experienced doesnt make it good or right. The shite happens mentality aint workin.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

What's the matter, you?! This is riveting!

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[William33 110]

She died in her home just after coming home from a public health facility! She collapsed on her mother from massive internal bleeding, but of course the anti-biotics they gave her for it, didnt help!

Have some STRAW,man.

That's terribly sad, but that sort of thing happens in the U.S. all the time. A major difference between many countries and the U.S. is that here, not only are grieving family members dealing with the loss of a loved one, but also medical bills. If we're going to pull from anecdotes, my stepmother was paying medical bills related to my dad's esophageal cancer care for years after he died. This was 10 years ago, and they had what they thought was decent insurance through my stepmother's employer. I can only imagine what equivalent expenses would be now. Much of the bills were from repeated emergency room visits for complications from chemo, and a staph infection that he picked up in the hospital. He died after 14 months of aggressive chemo and radiation treatments, and terrible suffering. This, in the most glorious (and expensive) healthcare system in the world! Imagine receiving bills from the hospital that failed to save your spouse. Or indeed your child? A good friend of mine lost her 8-year-old son to cancer in 1994 after three heartbreaking years of illness and deterioration, and she would have gone bankrupt from medical expenses had it not been for the help of her family and numerous local charities (only one still exists). Should parents of critically ill children have to hold bake sales for their children's treatment? Here they do. What kind of society allows for this? One that has deluded itself into thinking that people should simply fend for themselves and that whatever is being charged in the free market is somehow fair. And people who blindly believe that our system is superior simply because it's more expensive.

Private, for-profit care does not equal better care, it equals more expensive care that suits few at the literal and figurative expense of many. This system f*cks many more people than it helps, as compared with universal systems that are free at the point of care.

Fully agree with this philosophy. I have personal experience on this topic.

US healthcare is the best in the world (in terms of advanced medical treatment), if you can afford it. Even if you cannot afford it, credit is issued in some cases.

Irrespective of the overall outcome, financial culpability seems most important to these people (Doctors aside). The hospital will run you to ground for the money.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

She died in her home just after coming home from a public health facility! She collapsed on her mother from massive internal bleeding, but of course the anti-biotics they gave her for it, didnt help!

Have some STRAW,man.

That's terribly sad, but that sort of thing happens in the U.S. all the time. A major difference between many countries and the U.S. is that here, not only are grieving family members dealing with the loss of a loved one, but also medical bills. If we're going to pull from anecdotes, my stepmother was paying medical bills related to my dad's esophageal cancer care for years after he died. This was 10 years ago, and they had what they thought was decent insurance through my stepmother's employer. I can only imagine what equivalent expenses would be now. Much of the bills were from repeated emergency room visits for complications from chemo, and a staph infection that he picked up in the hospital. He died after 14 months of aggressive chemo and radiation treatments, and terrible suffering. This, in the most glorious (and expensive) healthcare system in the world! Imagine receiving bills from the hospital that failed to save your spouse. Or indeed your child? A good friend of mine lost her 8-year-old son to cancer in 1994 after three heartbreaking years of illness and deterioration, and she would have gone bankrupt from medical expenses had it not been for the help of her family and numerous local charities (only one still exists). Should parents of critically ill children have to hold bake sales for their children's treatment? Here they do. What kind of society allows for this? One that has deluded itself into thinking that people should simply fend for themselves and that whatever is being charged in the free market is somehow fair. And people who blindly believe that our system is superior simply because it's more expensive.

Private, for-profit care does not equal better care, it equals more expensive care that suits few at the literal and figurative expense of many. This system f*cks many more people than it helps, as compared with universal systems that are free at the point of care.

The ppl your talking about would get: Go home theres nothing we can do! Carols mom died of a simple intestinal bleed! She was misdiagnosed because of the fcking line of ppl waiting to be served!