going for K3 interview after K1 interview denied Vietnam

[bryonm4 0]

Is there any safeguards? The first interview for the K1 they said she failed because she couldn't awnser several questions (the only question she couldnt awnser was the name of the college I went to) My lawyer and I asked her the other questions they said she got wrong before the interview and she awnsered them easily. If they were going to fail her on the questions then they would have failed her after the interview not ask for more proof , a chonology and when she handed it to them they then failed her after translating it and not asking another single question. Can I have a lawyer there or tape it because I don't trust the consulet? Here is what im afraid of say I spend the rest of my savings and go out there marry her hire a lawyer file for a CR-1 then fly out there in 6 months and again 6 months later when she has her interview will they still do the same thing they did this time? They could ask her impossible questions that she would have no way of knowing also. Not to mention If I don't lose my job my boss will be very upset for me leaving work for that much in 1 year. They could say you only visit her once every 6 months that is very little not enough. They could do whatever they wanted with no control or regulation.

Here are possible reason I think they might have had for failing her.

Her english and Vietnamise is not that good. I was told we could have a cantonise translator present however I was told that after it was to late and I dont know if that is correct.

We had about 10 pictues of us together

they stated I only had 1 trip

They said we only met for less than 2 weeks and got enganged. I have known her since april 28 I met her in person on december 12th and proposed on december 15th had enagement party on december 20th. We loved each other before we met

most of our evedence with screen prints from yahoo chat about 7 lbs of paper. Not much emails maybe 25 letters both ways and I used pennytalk.com to talk to her because its cheaper so its not like a reqular phone bill and it only goes back 45 days so I didn't have phone bills form back when we started talking.

How we met could be another reason. My friend Henry is friends with her brother they met over 10 years ago in las vegas at a birthday party and that is all he told me about how they met I don't know if they have dealings with each other or not but I did mention to Henry in a round about way if her brother paid him to find somebody for her and he was insulted and said no. I believe him but they might not believe us.

I will post her rebuttle email to the consular below so you can see her english is not that good.

Dear Consularhi ! how are you everybody ? I am Tran Tran le CASE # : 2008726068 My english is not good but I can write a little English letter and talk with my Fiance (bryon Martin) and friends if i have write the wrong words please you forgive me ,thank you frist , Bryon and I were true love each other by our heart , i want to told you know i had been answer Bryon's job was fix computer to you , he work at workforce safety insurance but i forgot say ( insurance) this word to you , sorry , i am thinking maybe your translator didn't clear hear my answer becouse my English and Vietnamese not so well and I really didn't hear you ask me how much did Bryon make on month , I had told you bryon have a college degree in computer , his shool's name is Bismarck state college . but that day i dont know his school name and you never ask me too , I hope you forgive me and trust me i really love bryon and miss him so much . i was very sad at night after interview that day , when i got the denial letter on Nov 28 that day i was very sad and cry at night becaouse my age not young I want have baby with bryon soon after i move to there , our age were 43 year old now , I Request you can give me a Visa soon thank you so much . A friend of my brother introduced to bryon to me , he sent bryon photos to me at first and then we communicated with each other we talked exchange ideas with ietnam visit me , and then he ask me marry to him , i said yes beacouse i see his 's love was serious for me , after we met at airport we spent time togther every days , On December 15th,2007 bryon proposed to me , I answer him yes becouse we love each other before bryon and i hope can together forever On December 20th 2007 we had a simple engaement ceremony in (AI_HOA) Restaurant with my family becouse my parents have passed for many years ,my brothers and sisters suggeted that owc engagement ceremony should not be too luxuriously , the important thing is that we 'll have a happy life forever ,they think. but bryon said he have to give me 10 table to inviton my friends and neighor and my relatives i want let they know bryon with me get married in his there when i get my Visa and then he come here bring me to his counrty that true by heart to say that, hope you trust me , i hope with bryon togther forever soon thank you tran le tran ,

[pushbrk 13,124]

Is there any safeguards? The first interview for the K1 they said she failed because she couldn't awnser several questions (the only question she couldnt awnser was the name of the college I went to) My lawyer and I asked her the other questions they said she got wrong before the interview and she awnsered them easily. If they were going to fail her on the questions then they would have failed her after the interview not ask for more proof , a chonology and when she handed it to them they then failed her after translating it and not asking another single question. Can I have a lawyer there or tape it because I don't trust the consulet? Here is what im afraid of say I spend the rest of my savings and go out there marry her hire a lawyer file for a CR-1 then fly out there in 6 months and again 6 months later when she has her interview will they still do the same thing they did this time? They could ask her impossible questions that she would have no way of knowing also. Not to mention If I don't lose my job my boss will be very upset for me leaving work for that much in 1 year. They could say you only visit her once every 6 months that is very little not enough. They could do whatever they wanted with no control or regulation.

Here are possible reason I think they might have had for failing her.

Her english and Vietnamise is not that good. I was told we could have a cantonise translator present however I was told that after it was to late and I dont know if that is correct.

We had about 10 pictues of us together

they stated I only had 1 trip

They said we only met for less than 2 weeks and got enganged. I have known her since april 28 I met her in person on december 12th and proposed on december 15th had enagement party on december 20th. We loved each other before we met

most of our evedence with screen prints from yahoo chat about 7 lbs of paper. Not much emails maybe 25 letters both ways and I used pennytalk.com to talk to her because its cheaper so its not like a reqular phone bill and it only goes back 45 days so I didn't have phone bills form back when we started talking.

How we met could be another reason. My friend Henry is friends with her brother they met over 10 years ago in las vegas at a birthday party and that is all he told me about how they met I don't know if they have dealings with each other or not but I did mention to Henry in a round about way if her brother paid him to find somebody for her and he was insulted and said no. I believe him but they might not believe us.

I will post her rebuttle email to the consular below so you can see her english is not that good.

Dear Consularhi ! how are you everybody ? I am Tran Tran le CASE # : 2008726068 My english is not good but I can write a little English letter and talk with my Fiance (bryon Martin) and friends if i have write the wrong words please you forgive me ,thank you frist , Bryon and I were true love each other by our heart , i want to told you know i had been answer Bryon's job was fix computer to you , he work at workforce safety insurance but i forgot say ( insurance) this word to you , sorry , i am thinking maybe your translator didn't clear hear my answer becouse my English and Vietnamese not so well and I really didn't hear you ask me how much did Bryon make on month , I had told you bryon have a college degree in computer , his shool's name is Bismarck state college . but that day i dont know his school name and you never ask me too , I hope you forgive me and trust me i really love bryon and miss him so much . i was very sad at night after interview that day , when i got the denial letter on Nov 28 that day i was very sad and cry at night becaouse my age not young I want have baby with bryon soon after i move to there , our age were 43 year old now , I Request you can give me a Visa soon thank you so much . A friend of my brother introduced to bryon to me , he sent bryon photos to me at first and then we communicated with each other we talked exchange ideas with ietnam visit me , and then he ask me marry to him , i said yes beacouse i see his 's love was serious for me , after we met at airport we spent time togther every days , On December 15th,2007 bryon proposed to me , I answer him yes becouse we love each other before bryon and i hope can together forever On December 20th 2007 we had a simple engaement ceremony in (AI_HOA) Restaurant with my family becouse my parents have passed for many years ,my brothers and sisters suggeted that owc engagement ceremony should not be too luxuriously , the important thing is that we 'll have a happy life forever ,they think. but bryon said he have to give me 10 table to inviton my friends and neighor and my relatives i want let they know bryon with me get married in his there when i get my Visa and then he come here bring me to his counrty that true by heart to say that, hope you trust me , i hope with bryon togther forever soon thank you tran le tran ,

The answer to the question in your subject line is that any K3 visa interview must be in the country the marriage took place. I don't see a question in your actual post. Is it hidden?

[bryonm4 0]

I plan to marry her in vietnam so the interview will be in vietnam I was just wondering since now they think we were trying to scam them will they always think that I mean does that change our odds from say 80% to 2% or is there still a good chance we can be successfull? I know it will be in there computers and I cant change what was done thats water under the bridge.

I found out Canada is not an option a lawyer said I don't quilify for skilled worker since I need to be a manager or director and my position isn't that high. I would move to vietnam but they say you need to speak veitnamise to become a citizen so the most I could spend there would be 90 days.

I just feel all hope is going out the window am I grasping at straws because I think if we get married they will give us a fair chance at the interview so we can be together. I know once I marry her I won't be able to live without her and this long distance stuff is breaking our hearts. There is no country that would take us where we could live and survive. The lawyers say different things and not to let the senators case workers handle it and the senators case worker says not to let the lawyers handle it. some lawyers say go for k1 some say k3 some offer different ways to do the appeal some friends tell me to do this or that. She tells me what different people there are telling her. I read different things on this forum I'm not a genius when it comes to this legal stuff and the different options. All I know is it might take years and there is no guarentee we will not have our hearts broken by some consular that got up on the wrong side of the bed or got in a fight with his wife the night before.

Hope is all I have now

sorry for the title and body of the post I just started typing whats on my mind every minute of the day and has been since nov 28th.

Edited December 20, 2008 by bryonm4

[pushbrk 13,124]

I plan to marry her in vietnam so the interview will be in vietnam I was just wondering since now they think we were trying to scam them will they always think that I mean does that change our odds from say 80% to 2% or is there still a good chance we can be successfull? I know it will be in there computers and I cant change what was done thats water under the bridge.

I found out Canada is not an option a lawyer said I don't quilify for skilled worker since I need to be a manager or director and my position isn't that high. I would move to vietnam but they say you need to speak veitnamise to become a citizen so the most I could spend there would be 90 days.

I just feel all hope is going out the window am I grasping at straws because I think if we get married they will give us a fair chance at the interview so we can be together. I know once I marry her I won't be able to live without her and this long distance stuff is breaking our hearts. There is no country that would take us where we could live and survive. The lawyers say different things and not to let the senators case workers handle it and the senators case worker says not to let the lawyers handle it. some lawyers say go for k1 some say k3 some offer different ways to do the appeal some friends tell me to do this or that. She tells me what different people there are telling her. I read different things on this forum I'm not a genius when it comes to this legal stuff and the different options. All I know is it might take years and there is no guarentee we will not have our hearts broken by some consular that got up on the wrong side of the bed or got in a fight with his wife the night before.

Hope is all I have now

sorry for the title and body of the post I just started typing whats on my mind every minute of the day and has been since nov 28th.

The fact that you accomplished getting married in Vietnam will go a long ways toward overcoming multiple reasons they concluded the relationship wasn't bona fide during the first interview. That along with prudent preparations for the interview should give you reason to be very optimistic, IMO.

[bryonm4 0]

I plan to marry her in vietnam so the interview will be in vietnam I was just wondering since now they think we were trying to scam them will they always think that I mean does that change our odds from say 80% to 2% or is there still a good chance we can be successfull? I know it will be in there computers and I cant change what was done thats water under the bridge.

I found out Canada is not an option a lawyer said I don't quilify for skilled worker since I need to be a manager or director and my position isn't that high. I would move to vietnam but they say you need to speak veitnamise to become a citizen so the most I could spend there would be 90 days.

I just feel all hope is going out the window am I grasping at straws because I think if we get married they will give us a fair chance at the interview so we can be together. I know once I marry her I won't be able to live without her and this long distance stuff is breaking our hearts. There is no country that would take us where we could live and survive. The lawyers say different things and not to let the senators case workers handle it and the senators case worker says not to let the lawyers handle it. some lawyers say go for k1 some say k3 some offer different ways to do the appeal some friends tell me to do this or that. She tells me what different people there are telling her. I read different things on this forum I'm not a genius when it comes to this legal stuff and the different options. All I know is it might take years and there is no guarentee we will not have our hearts broken by some consular that got up on the wrong side of the bed or got in a fight with his wife the night before.

Hope is all I have now

sorry for the title and body of the post I just started typing whats on my mind every minute of the day and has been since nov 28th.

The fact that you accomplished getting married in Vietnam will go a long ways toward overcoming multiple reasons they concluded the relationship wasn't bona fide during the first interview. That along with prudent preparations for the interview should give you reason to be very optimistic, IMO.

Thanks for providing the hope I need. I can't wait until we get threw this some day down the row maybe a few years from now we will be on here helping somebody in our same situation

[pushbrk 13,124]

I plan to marry her in vietnam so the interview will be in vietnam I was just wondering since now they think we were trying to scam them will they always think that I mean does that change our odds from say 80% to 2% or is there still a good chance we can be successfull? I know it will be in there computers and I cant change what was done thats water under the bridge.

I found out Canada is not an option a lawyer said I don't quilify for skilled worker since I need to be a manager or director and my position isn't that high. I would move to vietnam but they say you need to speak veitnamise to become a citizen so the most I could spend there would be 90 days.

I just feel all hope is going out the window am I grasping at straws because I think if we get married they will give us a fair chance at the interview so we can be together. I know once I marry her I won't be able to live without her and this long distance stuff is breaking our hearts. There is no country that would take us where we could live and survive. The lawyers say different things and not to let the senators case workers handle it and the senators case worker says not to let the lawyers handle it. some lawyers say go for k1 some say k3 some offer different ways to do the appeal some friends tell me to do this or that. She tells me what different people there are telling her. I read different things on this forum I'm not a genius when it comes to this legal stuff and the different options. All I know is it might take years and there is no guarentee we will not have our hearts broken by some consular that got up on the wrong side of the bed or got in a fight with his wife the night before.

Hope is all I have now

sorry for the title and body of the post I just started typing whats on my mind every minute of the day and has been since nov 28th.

The fact that you accomplished getting married in Vietnam will go a long ways toward overcoming multiple reasons they concluded the relationship wasn't bona fide during the first interview. That along with prudent preparations for the interview should give you reason to be very optimistic, IMO.

Thanks for providing the hope I need. I can't wait until we get threw this some day down the row maybe a few years from now we will be on here helping somebody in our same situation

Have you found a way to get married that doesn't require you to stay in Vietnam for 45 days yet?

[bryonm4 0]

I plan to marry her in vietnam so the interview will be in vietnam I was just wondering since now they think we were trying to scam them will they always think that I mean does that change our odds from say 80% to 2% or is there still a good chance we can be successfull? I know it will be in there computers and I cant change what was done thats water under the bridge.

I found out Canada is not an option a lawyer said I don't quilify for skilled worker since I need to be a manager or director and my position isn't that high. I would move to vietnam but they say you need to speak veitnamise to become a citizen so the most I could spend there would be 90 days.

I just feel all hope is going out the window am I grasping at straws because I think if we get married they will give us a fair chance at the interview so we can be together. I know once I marry her I won't be able to live without her and this long distance stuff is breaking our hearts. There is no country that would take us where we could live and survive. The lawyers say different things and not to let the senators case workers handle it and the senators case worker says not to let the lawyers handle it. some lawyers say go for k1 some say k3 some offer different ways to do the appeal some friends tell me to do this or that. She tells me what different people there are telling her. I read different things on this forum I'm not a genius when it comes to this legal stuff and the different options. All I know is it might take years and there is no guarentee we will not have our hearts broken by some consular that got up on the wrong side of the bed or got in a fight with his wife the night before.

Hope is all I have now

sorry for the title and body of the post I just started typing whats on my mind every minute of the day and has been since nov 28th.

The fact that you accomplished getting married in Vietnam will go a long ways toward overcoming multiple reasons they concluded the relationship wasn't bona fide during the first interview. That along with prudent preparations for the interview should give you reason to be very optimistic, IMO.

Thanks for providing the hope I need. I can't wait until we get threw this some day down the row maybe a few years from now we will be on here helping somebody in our same situation

Have you found a way to get married that doesn't require you to stay in Vietnam for 45 days yet?

yeah I got help from another member Im checking into it

http://www.kshouston.com/faq.php

They said if they accept my medical records from this place then we can get it done in 3 weeks but they said that ho chi minh might not accept them. My Fiancee will see mr Nam on monday to find out what we can do. The only thing im worried about is that mr Nam speaks vietnamise and english and my gf Vietnamise and English is not that good as she is fluent in cantonise. I was in contact with another attorny named Cathy Reck from Ho Chi Minh and she stated the cheif consular in vietnam was new so some things have changed over there. When my fiancee was talking to mr Nam he sounded like he was in favor of me doing the K1 again along with another attorny that she knows over there. They said since I have letters from my senators it should be easier to get the K1 a second time. I also contacted John Roth from america he is a very good attorny im sad I didn't hire him to begin with but he stated the K3 is the way to go so I will wait to find out what mr Nam says monday then make a decesion.

Most any attorny can do the paperwork to get the K1 or K3 approved over here it just that what attorny provides help over there as far as preperation for the interview and getting the documents for proof or giving advice on what documents to get and if she gets in trouble it would be nice to have an attorny in Ho Chi Minh that can go down there and try to appeal right away or get them to reconsider.

[bryonm4 0]

I guess the most important thing is to get a lawyer that can exmine our case determine the real reason it was denied so we can clear up any concerns that the consular might have when we can do that I feel confident that everything will work out

[Dakine 26]

I guess the most important thing is to get a lawyer that can exmine our case determine the real reason it was denied so we can clear up any concerns that the consular might have when we can do that I feel confident that everything will work out

My senator found out why my first petition was denied. Did so when the petition was still at the embassy.

[pushbrk 13,124]

Most any attorny can do the paperwork to get the K1 or K3 approved over here it just that what attorny provides help over there as far as preperation for the interview and getting the documents for proof or giving advice on what documents to get and if she gets in trouble it would be nice to have an attorny in Ho Chi Minh that can go down there and try to appeal right away or get them to reconsider.

Which is why I always advise people to immediately hire a local attorney for this purpose, anytime they report the 221g white slip. It's too bad you didn't get right on that within a day or two of the interview. Remember, you still must deal with the original case and resolve it in some way regardless of what you do next.

[bryonm4 0]

I guess the most important thing is to get a lawyer that can exmine our case determine the real reason it was denied so we can clear up any concerns that the consular might have when we can do that I feel confident that everything will work out

My senator found out why my first petition was denied. Did so when the petition was still at the embassy.

Haole you said that you were unsuccessful the first time was that the second time you got the senator involved?

[bryonm4 0]

Most any attorny can do the paperwork to get the K1 or K3 approved over here it just that what attorny provides help over there as far as preperation for the interview and getting the documents for proof or giving advice on what documents to get and if she gets in trouble it would be nice to have an attorny in Ho Chi Minh that can go down there and try to appeal right away or get them to reconsider.

Which is why I always advise people to immediately hire a local attorney for this purpose, anytime they report the 221g white slip. It's too bad you didn't get right on that within a day or two of the interview. Remember, you still must deal with the original case and resolve it in some way regardless of what you do next.

When you said local you ment in Ho Chi Minh not local where I live right? I assume we will have to deal with it in two places at the USCIS for them to issue me another interview and at the consulate when she goes in for her interview. If I hire a lawyer here they will not be able to deal with it at the consulate and if I hire a lawyer over there they might have better luck is what im thinking. I'm emailing a few different ones hopefully I can find a good one I can afford.

I read somebody else post on here where they got married to somebody in China and they denied the K3. The guy went there for the wedding then again before the interview and a 3rd time for the interview and the consulate said to the guy you only visit your wife 3 times in a year that is not enough so he got his visa denied. The bad thing is if Im very luck I will be able to go out there that many times I only get 2 weeks a year off and I will have to take the other 2 unpaid if my supervisor will go for it because its a new job for me. I heard Ho Chi Minh was harder than China Consulate so I have a feeling they might deny it as well unless I can come out there like 10 times or something rediculas like that. I was told if she has letters from 2 or 3 senators by a lawyer friend she has out there that it would be easy to get the K1 or K3. I think for them to deny a visa request they would have to have some incredable evedence against you if you had recomendation letters from your senators.

[pushbrk 13,124]

Most any attorny can do the paperwork to get the K1 or K3 approved over here it just that what attorny provides help over there as far as preperation for the interview and getting the documents for proof or giving advice on what documents to get and if she gets in trouble it would be nice to have an attorny in Ho Chi Minh that can go down there and try to appeal right away or get them to reconsider.

Which is why I always advise people to immediately hire a local attorney for this purpose, anytime they report the 221g white slip. It's too bad you didn't get right on that within a day or two of the interview. Remember, you still must deal with the original case and resolve it in some way regardless of what you do next.

When you said local you ment in Ho Chi Minh not local where I live right? I assume we will have to deal with it in two places at the USCIS for them to issue me another interview and at the consulate when she goes in for her interview. If I hire a lawyer here they will not be able to deal with it at the consulate and if I hire a lawyer over there they might have better luck is what im thinking. I'm emailing a few different ones hopefully I can find a good one I can afford.

I read somebody else post on here where they got married to somebody in China and they denied the K3. The guy went there for the wedding then again before the interview and a 3rd time for the interview and the consulate said to the guy you only visit your wife 3 times in a year that is not enough so he got his visa denied. The bad thing is if Im very luck I will be able to go out there that many times I only get 2 weeks a year off and I will have to take the other 2 unpaid if my supervisor will go for it because its a new job for me. I heard Ho Chi Minh was harder than China Consulate so I have a feeling they might deny it as well unless I can come out there like 10 times or something rediculas like that. I was told if she has letters from 2 or 3 senators by a lawyer friend she has out there that it would be easy to get the K1 or K3. I think for them to deny a visa request they would have to have some incredable evedence against you if you had recomendation letters from your senators.

Yes, by local I mean in HCMC. You'll "hear" a lot of things that are untrue or exaggerated. Be sure of your sources.

There is no magic formula for a visa.

[Dakine 26]

I guess the most important thing is to get a lawyer that can exmine our case determine the real reason it was denied so we can clear up any concerns that the consular might have when we can do that I feel confident that everything will work out

My senator found out why my first petition was denied. Did so when the petition was still at the embassy.

Haole you said that you were unsuccessful the first time was that the second time you got the senator involved?

First time and my senator found out why we were denied but I couldn't fix it. The petition ended up being send back to USCIS and I cancelled it

Second time a couple years later I did a K3 [different lady] and didn't have any problems. I OVERLOADED them with ammo that time.

[bryonm4 0]

I guess the most important thing is to get a lawyer that can exmine our case determine the real reason it was denied so we can clear up any concerns that the consular might have when we can do that I feel confident that everything will work out

My senator found out why my first petition was denied. Did so when the petition was still at the embassy.

Haole you said that you were unsuccessful the first time was that the second time you got the senator involved?

First time and my senator found out why we were denied but I couldn't fix it. The petition ended up being send back to USCIS and I cancelled it

Second time a couple years later I did a K3 [different lady] and didn't have any problems. I OVERLOADED them with ammo that time.

I think I read some place that a person can do 2 visas in a lifetime and they have to be seperated by 2 years unless you get a waver then you can do your second visa sooner than 2 years.